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121  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Pizza day 2020 on: May 22, 2020, 08:48:53 AM
Legendary.





Quote from: laszlo
I just want to report that I successfully traded 10,000 bitcoins for pizza.

Pictures: http://heliacal.net/~solar/bitcoin/pizza/

Thanks jercos!

I'll definitely be ordering pizza for dinner tonight -- and paying with bitcoins, of course. Smiley

Happy Bitcoin Pizza Day, everyone!
122  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mixers become more and more popular for the darknet on: May 22, 2020, 08:28:56 AM
I'm not happy about it, but it should come as no surprise when regulated fiat exchanges avoid doing business with "risky" customers. That's their prerogative. We've seen what can happen when exchanges flout money laundering regulations.

As far as I can tell nobody is really holding a gun to CZ's head and forcing him to do fiat business in some hyper-regulated shithole, nor forcing him to screw customers over without properly disclosing what the customers are or are not allowed to do with their funds.

All of the FATF member countries are becoming hyper-regulated, not just Singapore. The US and the EU are becoming draconian too.

I'd say that anyone using any centralized exchange should expect anything from invasive AML/KYC to frozen funds, account closures or outright exit scamming. The root of the problem is that people trust exchanges not to do these things.

It is entirely Binance's fault for handling it the way they did and they fully deserve to be ridiculed as an example of extreme overreach.

I'm confident that Gemini, Coinbase and many others are closing accounts in similar cases. They usually aren't stupid enough to say why.

About a year ago, there was a very similar case with Bitfinex.

It is overreach, but I think it would be naive to deny this is the direction things are headed. This is actually one of the reasons I prefer ChipMixer to CoinJoins. The latter are too obvious on-chain, at least when using popular methods like Wasabi Wallet.


I fully agree, but I also think it's worth pointing out. Binance buried themselves in the Seychelles rather than a more respectable jurisdiction for good reason.
123  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi just moved his coins? on: May 21, 2020, 08:51:23 AM
Why does Satoshi's blocks look different than others? Where did you get this chart from? I'm really curious about this.

The theory is based on research published by Sergio Demián Lerner. Here is some background:

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The latest paper, called “The Return of the Deniers and the Revenge of Patoshi,” at first discusses Lerner’s original study and how he originally came to his previous conclusion. Lerner detailed how he found the information in the extranonce field and how certain flaws revealed information in a “non-privacy preserving way.”

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However, Lerner’s latest study “proves with overwhelming probability” that a single miner extracted all of the coins in his Patoshi pattern, which is well over a million BTC. The researcher’s new argument is based on computer clocks because even in the early days miners used a local computer’s clock to timestamp blocks after processing them.

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“There are no time inversions between Patoshi blocks — Zero — This result is very relevant considering the Patoshi blocks account for 43% of all the blocks in the first 50k. I’m open to considering other explanations, but for me, this can only mean one thing — There is a single PC clock whose time is stamped in the Patoshi blocks.” Lerner’s paper continues: “A single software that controls how block templates are created — A single miner.”

The evidence is fairly convincing, but I wouldn't consider the theory bulletproof.
124  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mixers become more and more popular for the darknet on: May 21, 2020, 08:30:33 AM
I didn't know that, but after a quick search it seems that Binance did indeed freeze accounts a few months ago of users who had used CoinJoin transactions. Look at this twitter thread for example: https://twitter.com/bittlecat/status/1207894540322926593. His account and coins were only unfrozen after he "promised" to stop trying to protect his privacy.

Seriously, this is insane. User takes basic steps to afford himself the smallest bit of privacy after already completing full KYC at an exchange, and the exchange literally confiscates his money until he promises to let them stick their noses in to everything he does, every transaction he makes, everywhere he sends his own money.

Why do people use Binance again? Is this level of surveillance worth it to trade shitcoins?

This is something worth clarifying. Binance Singapore is a fiat exchange that only has a handful of listed markets. When this happened, CZ strongly implied that something like this would only occur on Binance's "regulated" exchanges, and not on Binance.com.

At the time, a new Singapore law subjecting cryptocurrency exchanges to existing financial regulations was about to come into effect. Binance was either applying or about to apply for a license from the Monetary Authority of Singapore. This likely had an impact. The MAS's language about the need for exchanges to implement "activity-based" and "risk-focused" mitigations strongly echoes the FATF's AML model.

I'm not happy about it, but it should come as no surprise when regulated fiat exchanges avoid doing business with "risky" customers. That's their prerogative. We've seen what can happen when exchanges flout money laundering regulations.
125  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: 150 sat/b fee; unconfirmed for over 4 hours? on: May 21, 2020, 07:57:46 AM
I'm not aware of any other businesses doing that -- and certainly not at BitMEX's scale. Exchanges generally allow withdrawals on demand.

It's been a predictable daily event for years now. I can't count the number of times I've had to race or bump fees to beat their morning flood of withdrawals. They are a plague on the network.
My point is that BitMex’s practices make the fee rate estimates displayed on wallet software less reliable, especially considering that you don’t know how when blocks will be found after you broadcast your transaction.

This is predictable if you frequently use bitcoin, but not as much if you are a more casual user.

Indeed, it's a great example of the difficulties underlying in-wallet fee estimation. BitMEX has the power to drastically alter the fee market, and it's impossible to anticipate exactly how large their load will be or what fees they will use.

In regards to casual users, the only immediate solution is to encourage the use of RBF, and wallets that support it.

The community putting pressure on BitMEX to at least implement broadcast delays could also help. Dumping all those transactions in a 2-minute window everyday is just horribly inefficient.
126  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi just moved his coins? on: May 21, 2020, 07:42:07 AM
I expected Craig Wright to take credit for the transaction. As a matter of fact, the inputs came from an address he claims to own. However, he is denying any involvement:

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But in a Twitter response to Blockstream’s Adam Back, Ayre said it had nothing to do with Wright:

"It was NOT Satoshi, I just spoke with him and Craig confirmed not him."

However the address in question, 17XiVVooLcdCUCMf9s4t4jTExacxwFS5uh, is among the 16,000 listed in a court document in the Kleinman v. Wright case, that Wright claims as his own.

The Catch-22 in this situation is that Wright has denied in court he has access to the private keys to the addresses, so if he said he moved the 50 BTC he’d be in trouble. However if someone else moved the coins, that would indicate the address does not belong to him, again leaving him in a potentially sticky legal situation.
127  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hashrate is dropping on: May 17, 2020, 07:52:24 AM
The hash rate is declining but the drop has been fairly modest. Difficulty is still technically slated to increase in 4 days, although it will probably become a modest (1-2%) decrease by then. It may take 2 difficulty adjustments for the fee market to normalize, but I see no cause for concern.

I wouldn't call 109 blocks in 24 hours modest.
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/blocks?q=time(2020-05-13%2007:25:23..2020-05-14%2007:25:23)
Even with the price increase, we're still doing
Blocks:131
Avg. time between blocks: 659.54 s.

10% (now), that's not modest.

We're talking about two different things. I was referring to the difficulty adjustment in 2.5 days. If the adjustment happened today, it would be -1.21%. Indeed, it looks like the difficulty drop may be larger than the 1-2% I expected. 10% would be a stretch, though.
128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where is our killer app? on: May 17, 2020, 07:36:30 AM
Things never change. Cheesy

I remember people asking the same question 5 years ago, frantically waiting for some app to come along that would accelerate adoption. Services and interoperable protocols will continue to be built on top, but they'll always be sideshows to Bitcoin's native value proposition. As far as adoption goes, Bitcoin sells itself -- no marketing or "killer app" needed. It's the hardest form of money ever known. That's why people and institutions are buying it.
129  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: 150 sat/b fee; unconfirmed for over 4 hours? on: May 17, 2020, 06:32:59 AM
I was reading this blog post today and thought of the OPs transaction.

According to blockchain.com block explorer, his transaction was originally seen at 12:25 UTC, and it not getting confirmed by 13:00 meant he would need to wait several hours for it to confirm because of Bitmex's practices of processing withdrawals once daily, and all at once.

If other large businesses engage in similar practices, there is the potential to see large spikes in required transaction fees at arbitrary times, and the fee rate estimates will be less accurate.

I'm not aware of any other businesses doing that -- and certainly not at BitMEX's scale. Exchanges generally allow withdrawals on demand.

It's been a predictable daily event for years now. I can't count the number of times I've had to race or bump fees to beat their morning flood of withdrawals. They are a plague on the network.
130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hashrate is dropping on: May 15, 2020, 03:50:47 AM
As you can see above, hashrate is decreasing after the halving as expected. Due to that, the fee has increased and according to bitcoinfees, the recommded fee is 150 sat / per byte and there are a lot of unconfirmed transaction.
After halving, we can say some miners have left. What do you think? More miners will leave too? And what if hashrate drop more?

The hash rate is declining but the drop has been fairly modest. Difficulty is still technically slated to increase in 4 days, although it will probably become a modest (1-2%) decrease by then. It may take 2 difficulty adjustments for the fee market to normalize, but I see no cause for concern.

Fees have also been driven up by increased exchange activity recently, which usually coincides with boosts in price.

By the way, I strongly recommend Johoe's mempool viewer over Earn.com. 110-120 satoshis/byte is likely to get next block confirmation at this time despite what Earn.com says.
131  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Beginner's misconceptions about Bitcoin halving on: May 13, 2020, 04:00:21 AM
2. The price will increase

The other side of this misconception: "The hash rate will crash." Lots of people believe that if the average cost to mine a bitcoin becomes greater than the price, hash rate must drop to account for it.

The truth is that not all miners have the same cost -- not by a long shot. The industry is increasingly moving towards efficient grid use that allows for extremely low energy costs. Here is one example. Mining efficiency also plays a major role. Smaller miners with higher electricity costs and those running inefficient miners like S9s are shutting down, but more efficient operations are also coming online.

Since the halving about 32 hours ago, the network has seen one block every 10.38 minutes. That's slightly below the target time and the previous rate, but certainly doesn't indicate the 30-35% drop predicted by BitMEX Research or many other hash rate pessimists.
132  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [2020-05-12] Wutt? JPMorgan starts serving Coinbase & Gemini !!! on: May 13, 2020, 03:24:59 AM

That's not actually Forbes, just someone on its contributor network. He is also just citing the same Wall Street Journal story in the OP.

I don't see any reason not to believe it, though. The WSJ isn't exactly known for fake news. Bitcoin is obviously gaining legitimacy as an investment asset, and Coinbase and Gemini are also very compliance minded, with licenses in every state they operate where it's required. It wouldn't be a surprise to see big banks working with them.

Less savory Bitcoin companies probably shouldn't anticipate the same caliber of banking relationships anytime soon.
133  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it possible that number of miners will decrease for a while? on: May 12, 2020, 06:13:30 PM
Let's wait and see how much of an impact this will have
630000   2020-05-11 19:23
630034   2020-05-12 02:12

That's 409 minutes for 34 blocks, 12 minutes on average!

Block generation sped up overnight. Now we've seen 135 blocks in 1365 minutes, which is just over 10 minutes per block.

Until the next difficulty adjustment comes, I don't want to make any big assumptions.

Sorry, can you explain to a layman when the difficulty adjustments happen? I've always thought it's automatic, but can you tell me if it is?

The difficulty adjusts every 2016 blocks. It's only "automatic" as long as miners keep mining.
134  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy Halving! on: May 11, 2020, 09:22:18 PM
It was nice to see the block pop up on the CLI.  Watching for a block is kind of like watching grass grow, but I've watched all three now just because it is an interesting and perhaps historical thing.

Did you catch the message F2Pool put in the coinbase of #629999?



It certainly feels historical to me! After all these years, we have really come full circle, haven't we?

2009: "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"
2020: "NYTimes 09/Apr/2020 With $2.3T Injection, Fed's Plan Far Exceeds 2008 Rescue"
135  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it possible that number of miners will decrease for a while? on: May 11, 2020, 09:02:51 PM
Oh it's definitely possible, probably until the price goes high enough for bitcoin to be worth mining again.

The price is already high enough for bitcoins to be worth mining. It's just a matter of which mining operations we're talking about. Wink

The number of miners will probably decrease, but the hash rate -- that's less of a sure thing, and didn't happen in 2016.

Inefficient miners will shut down, but efficient miners may actually be adding hash rate. Until the next difficulty adjustment comes, I don't want to make any big assumptions.
136  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Last block before the halving (#629999) had a special message on: May 11, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
Well played, F2Pool. Every Bitcoin user has got to have some appreciation for this.

Governments won't stop debasing their currencies -- Bitcoin unaffected. Cool

Happy halving day everyone!
137  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Drivechain critiques by gmaxwell revisited, maybe you changed your mind? on: May 05, 2020, 01:23:33 AM
Is there any recent discussion of how much JoinMarket makers can expect to earn? It's crossed my mind, but I'd like to gauge the expected gains vs. the risk of keeping private keys online.
<1%, it's very competitive. But that's a feature not a bug, users shouldn't have to pay a lot for privacy, or to move money to/from a sidechain quickly.

I assumed the margin wouldn't be high from looking at the order book. I wonder more about the volume one can expect.

The Bitcoin mainnet doesn't care. That's why it's easier -- miners can openly attack the sidechain without anybody really caring.
We'd care if there was an attack on a sidechain because then we'd lose useful functionality that makes bitcoin worth more, even if you or I don't use that feature.

Perhaps, but the fundamental value of having minimal base layer functionality is that it insulates Bitcoin from attacks on the upper layers. There is always an implicit security trade-off when you use an off-chain or sidechain mechanism because they aren't secured by the Bitcoin mainchain consensus. We should keep that in mind when considering the value these upper layers represent, especially in their early alpha/beta phases.
138  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Drivechain critiques by gmaxwell revisited, maybe you changed your mind? on: May 02, 2020, 10:51:12 PM
If you're going to hodl for 6+ months anyways, then why not collect some fees on top of that like a JoinMarket maker?

Is there any recent discussion of how much JoinMarket makers can expect to earn? It's crossed my mind, but I'd like to gauge the expected gains vs. the risk of keeping private keys online.

Paul Sztorc admits it is true here... increasing the withdrawal requirement to 13,150 ACKs.
No, he doesn't and it wouldn't matter if he does. But you are misreading his faq comment.  I'm not discussing Drivechain project or its devs' opinions, anyway. As of 13,150 ACKs, they became poisoned by the "51% theft security whole" hoax and ruined their project by such stupid decisions. My proposal: let's put it on 200 ACKs and observe that there will be no theft for the next couple of decades.

I would love to see that. Chances are that the sidechain would end up holding very little value, commensurate with the mining security. There's no point attacking a worthless chain.

Nobody really cares about the viability of sidechains. Unlike Bitcoin, miners don't have strong incentives against attacking them.

And FYI, from a game-theoretic perspective, it is a hell "harder" to steal a penny from sidechains compared to the mainnet. Double-spending is a covert operation and mainnet full-nodes are absolutely blind about it, but sidechain full nodes will detect the theft at the moment it is happening.

Just like merge-mined altcoins, the only people who would care are holders of the altcoin. The Bitcoin mainnet doesn't care. That's why it's easier -- miners can openly attack the sidechain without anybody really caring.

BTC.com colluded in a 51% attack on Bitcoin Cash last year. As one of the largest Bitcoin mining pools, their reputation doesn't seem to have suffered all that much.
139  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: May 02, 2020, 10:22:54 PM
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“As we have said before, Bitfinex is the victim of a fraud and is asserting its rights to funds taken by Crypto Capital through legal measures initiated in various countries,” he said through a spokesperson.

More than trying to recover the money, this is likely about Bitfinex trying to distance themselves from this:

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However, the president of Crypto Capital, Ivan Manuel Molina Lee, was arrested by Polish authorities in October and charged with being a member of an international gang laundering up to 1.5 billion złoty or about $390 million “from illegal sources.” Authorities wrote that Molina Lee’s crimes included “laundering dirty money for Columbian drug cartels using a cryptocurrency exchange.”

I don't think they really believe the money is recoverable. What does subpoenaing the banks achieve? The big problem is that law enforcement agencies -- including the US Department of Justice -- seized the money. Even if Bitfinex could prove ownership of funds within Crypto Capital's tangle of shell companies, they will have a hard time proving the money was not involved in criminal activity.
140  Economy / Exchanges / Re: LocalBitcoins and Tier verification's on: May 02, 2020, 09:54:51 PM
And as you pointed out, it's more difficult to see what trades actually happen outside the LBC system. I still recall seeing trades that give you their contact information, where you can then just take discussions offline and still use cash without KYC. Those trades would have happened with escrow over LBC but now not anymore. So could be that it's not a case of people moving away from LBC, simply taking trades outside the system.

The problem is that it's now impossible to filter for local traders, and there is no way to search the "terms of trade" sections. I gave up trying to randomly search through offers since the chances of finding cash traders who were also local and listed contact info was incredibly low.

And when it comes to purely online trades, the incentive to use their escrow service is really high due to fraud. For these reasons, I think that trading outside the escrow system is rare.

I really miss the old LocalBitcoins. It used to work just like Craigslist, with lots of people using it for local listings while dealing P2P outside of escrow. There's nothing "local" about it anymore. I've since moved on to LocalCryptos. It's nowhere near as active as the old LBC, but I managed to make one cash trade recently -- for a good price too.
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