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881  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy 2nd Anniversary, SEGWIT! on: August 23, 2019, 08:51:25 PM
if you want token A on network A to be a good medium of exchange. then pegging off and using token b on network b is not, again NOT IN ANY WAY making token A a better medium of exchange. because token A is not even used.

Bitcoin is not merely a medium of exchange, and its network can secure more than just Bitcoin transactions. Why is that a bad thing?

Users can use either token as a medium of exchange, depending on which security and UX trade offs they prefer. Why is that a bad thing?
882  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitstamp - Fees increased by at least 100% on: August 22, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
Gemini significantly raised their fees recently too. Coinbase Pro did as well not long before that. Licensing and regulatory compliance costs are undoubtedly rising in this climate, and these are all "legitimate" licensed exchanges who are upping their fees.

Now that they've established a solid market share, they're ensuring profitability. Can't blame them.
883  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax notices from IRS this year for previous years on: August 22, 2019, 08:04:45 PM
If that is the case then I doubt the authorities would even need a subpoena just to know their clients' trading transaction. Subpoenas are only served once there is a lawsuit filed in the court whether it is a civil case or a criminal one which in this case the IRS wouldn't need since they are just doing regular background checks if the U.S. citizens that are trading in crypto are paying their taxes right.

The IRS has no legal right to broadly fish for information like that. That's why they had to fight Coinbase in court for 2 years just to get data on ~13,000 higher volume traders.

I'm sure Poloniex has responded to one-off requests from the IRS before, but I'm also sure it's nothing on the scale that we've seen from Coinbase. The OP confirmed he sold bitcoins through Coinbase during the tax years in question, which corroborates the theory that it's Coinbase users who are receiving these letters.
884  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy 2nd Anniversary, SEGWIT! on: August 22, 2019, 07:45:45 PM
That's actually how network consensus works. Consensus means unanimity. It's impossible to get every single Bitcoin user to affirmatively agree to a new consensus -- i.e. a new set a consensus rules; a hard fork. So if users (like those who created BCH) want to create an incompatible fork, they are therefore leaving the consensus and establishing a new network, completely incompatible (and incommunicable) with the old.

Actually , Consensus means that the majority % of the community joins in , not splinter off.

There's a reason why we use the term consensus -- not majority rule or democracy or any other such nonsense. This is not a vote. You either join the existing consensus or leave it.

This is free open-source software. Nobody can stop anyone else from splintering off. That's their free choice.
885  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Two Thieves Caught on Tape Stealing Bitcoin ATM in the US on: August 22, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
This is something completely new. I've seen people try to steal ordinary ATMs, but the BTC ATM theft is interesting!

It's the same idea. These guys were probably trying to extract the cash inside the ATM, not private keys to bitcoins. Some of these ATM manufacturers are incredibly dumb about security, but most of them are probably safe from physical compromise due to encryption.

It looks like they cased out the area pretty well. Nobody noticed the ATM was gone for a week:

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Interestingly, the two were so discreet that the theft has not been noticed until a week later. At this point, the police had to call Bitcoin ATM operator and owner Coinme to inform about the theft.
886  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Burn Satoshis coins to end the threat of prices crashing - Paxful Founder on: August 21, 2019, 08:03:45 PM
These will all eventually be stolen and recirculated into the supply, possibly causing a huge divergence from users' perceptions about Bitcoin's "deflationary" monetary supply.
At any point, Satoshi's coins could move without warning and be recirculated in to the supply. As could any coin which is considered "lost". We have no way of knowing how many coins are truly "lost", and everyone (at least everyone who understands bitcoin even a little) should know and appreciate this.

We don't. We won't know until after the fact, once ECDSA is broken and nothing is done. It'll be a roller coaster, that's all I know.

Having a sudden influx of a million coins, and therefore a ~5% inflation, would be less damaging to bitcoin than removing one of its core principles by allowing a small group of people to decide which coins are and are not allowed to be used in the future.

The amount of vulnerable bitcoins probably goes far beyond the "Satoshi coins" -- that's just the lowest base line to start our assumptions from.

You can deploy a modified client with a rule that declares some coins invalid, as a part of a new protocol, which would result in a hard fork, correct.

That could be done with a soft fork. Miners have incentive to enforce it since it would prevent unpredictable inflation.
887  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy 2nd Anniversary, SEGWIT! on: August 21, 2019, 07:31:11 PM
So splitting a community in two was not consensus , but division (the exact opposite).

That's actually how network consensus works. Consensus means unanimity. It's impossible to get every single Bitcoin user to affirmatively agree to a new consensus -- i.e. a new set a consensus rules; a hard fork. So if users (like those who created BCH) want to create an incompatible fork, they are therefore leaving the consensus and establishing a new network, completely incompatible (and incommunicable) with the old. Breaking consensus = leaving the network. This is literally what happens on a networking level.

The Bitcoin network keeps chugging along as always, regardless of whatever hard forks are being spun off.

* A single coin would have been stronger than the divided coins we have now. *

Hard forks are inevitable in any FOSS project. Bitcoin isn't immune to that. People are free to fork the code, and they will.
888  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Burn Satoshis coins to end the threat of prices crashing - Paxful Founder on: August 21, 2019, 07:14:14 PM
Hard forking or whatever to achieve this aside, the idea of Satoshi dutifully sending in a selfie with a hopeful smile holding up his driving licence to dump on Yobit is a fucking joke.

Youssef is an idiot, especially since he thinks we can conclusively identify Satoshi's coins to begin with. He's proposing this for the wrong reasons.

There are, however, good reasons to have a related discussion about this. In a post-quantum world, the "Satoshi coins" are probably the biggest lot of vulnerable (public key exposed) bitcoins we know about. But there could be several million lost bitcoins out there in addition to these early mined P2PK outputs, a sizeable subset of which are P2PK or in reused addresses.

These will all eventually be stolen and recirculated into the supply, possibly causing a huge divergence from users' perceptions about Bitcoin's "deflationary" monetary supply. There goes that whole idea about lost coins being a donation to other bitcoin holders! More like a donation to bitcoin shorters. Tongue
889  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Terrorists Turn to Bitcoin for Funding, and They’re Learning Fast (NYT article) on: August 21, 2019, 06:59:58 PM
Why would they use bitcoin if they can use the US dollar? Cash has no track record and they don't need to exchange bitcoin to USD and after to cashout the USD to get the cash they want in the end...

They do use the US dollar, quite a lot more than Bitcoin I'm sure. But how is Nathaniel Popper supposed to spin that into a New York Times article? Grin

If this news is true, it will only hasten up the government to put regulation in place, at least with regulation, it will still be difficult for them to use because if KYC, before they can move money in and out of the market at large quantity, at least they will do KYC and with KYC, government will be able to trace them easily.

That's the argument, anyway. Get ready for $1,000 KYC thresholds -- if not outright mandatory KYC -- to use most Bitcoin exchanges, services, etc. Enjoy the wild west while we still have it. It won't be around much longer!
890  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Terrorists Turn to Bitcoin for Funding, and They’re Learning Fast (NYT article) on: August 20, 2019, 07:16:11 PM
What a headline! Popper is at it again! Tongue

It shouldn't surprise anyone that militant and terrorist groups are trying to raise funds with Bitcoin. They've already been doing it for years in dribs and drabs. At least they're apparently getting smarter -- no longer storing funds in one address, or at Coinbase.

"require cryptocurrency exchanges to do a full identity check on anyone sending digital tokens out of a wallet"? This would violate the principle of decentralization

Exchanges aren't decentralized. Governments can target centralized entities with regulations and law enforcement. Bitcoin network unaffected.
891  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Chipmixer.com - EXIT SCAM ?! on: August 20, 2019, 06:36:21 PM
Damn. Somehow i missed this. This is really, really impressive. I assume they didn't receive the 4800 BTC in a single go, but still this goes a long way to proving that Chipmixer is either a honeypot Tongue or pretty legit, as the article does seem to insinuate that the funds flowed in in vast amounts.. (Thus the perfect time to exit scam, if they had wanted.)

The reality is slightly less exciting than the headline:

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183 BTC were identified as hacker funds after attempted laundering, while another 814 BTC are likely to be confirmed as hacker funds, pending confirmation once those funds start moving.

Still impressive nonetheless, and shows that Chipmixer is handling many thousands of bitcoins at once. I wouldn't worry about trusting them with 0.02 bitcoins. Cheesy
892  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin mixers be considered illegal by worldwide governments? on: August 20, 2019, 06:12:22 PM
I have a feeling they will especially after BestMixer was seized by the Dutch Financial Intelligence and Investigation service.

The circumstances of that case are reminiscent of the Hansa darknet market shutdown in 2017, also compromised by the Dutch police. In fact, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Bestmixer was actually a honeypot run by the Dutch police.

History shows that any questionable service should keep their servers far, far away from the Netherlands.
893  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Question about privacy on Electrum Bitcoin. on: August 19, 2019, 07:29:24 PM
But personally i wouldn't worry about it because there aren't any merchants who use BitPay/CoinBase to accept Bitcoin due to their unpopular business/politic decision

Since when? Merchants dropped Coinbase after they started forcing merchants to custody their own coins, but literally all the merchants I use process payments through Bitpay.

Bitrefill would be an exception, but last time I checked they were giving me worse conversion rates than Bitpay, even after accounting for Bitpay's annoying "network fees."
894  Economy / Exchanges / Re: US support of Binance's coins across Coinbase, Bittrex, Polo, Kraken, Huobi, etc on: August 19, 2019, 06:44:26 PM
I find it a bit weird BNB isn't considered to be somewhere in security territory. It was launched with an ICO and its value hangs on the success of one corporation. I suppose it's not ownership of Binance as such but it's one hell of a long way from something like BTC.

Binance is playing with fire with that one. They burn BNB based on profits made -- lowering the circulating supply -- so it seems like there is indeed an expectation of profits. These are the four metrics of the Howey Test. BNB seems to fit every one:

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  • It is an investment of money
  • There is an expectation of profits from the investment
  • The investment of money is in a common enterprise
  • Any profit comes from the efforts of a promoter or third party

Arguably, they issued unregistered securities to US persons. I also don't think that's the only area where they have legal exposure to the SEC.
895  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy 2nd Anniversary, SEGWIT! on: August 18, 2019, 05:23:33 PM
Just because you play Russian roulette ,
and that 1 pull of the trigger did not blow your brains out does not mean the next pull won't.
Just because their was no colluded 51% attack yesterday does not mean their won't be one tomorrow.
Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Profits.

Sure, there are no guarantees in life. Bitcoin's design is based on brilliant game theory, not irrefutable law. But the more years and years that go by, the less convincing your position is.

Inclusions or exclusions of transactions into blocks is the paramount of Control of the bitcoin network.
If you don't know this, you need to read more.  Kiss

What would you have me read?
896  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy 2nd Anniversary, SEGWIT! on: August 18, 2019, 05:00:17 PM
Bitcoin is centralized due to the Mining Nodes decisions to Pool over 51% to only a few pools.

Tell us, why isn't Bitcoin being constantly 51% attacked?

As if their were no pooling, then a mere 4 guys would not control bitcoin.

As I recall, a super majority of hash power signaled support for SegWit2x. It was also supported by the biggest companies in the space, including Bitmain.

Why did they all back out and stop supporting the 2x hard fork?

Now if Coinbase has an issue with a block the miners will take notice, but you , no one cares.

It sounds like miners don't really control the network at all, do they? What do you think will happen to Coinbase -- legally, and in terms of market share -- if they replace their customer bitcoins with an altcoin fork? The exchanges will let the market decide, not the miners. That's been the precedent since 2017.

At most, the miners can reorganize blocks or censor transactions -- incurring great financial cost for the privilege. How is that "controlling" the network?
897  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Binance Hackers Bombard Chipmixer to Launder at Least 4,836 BTC on: August 18, 2019, 04:42:10 PM
So what will the feds do next? They are going to blame Chipmixer for sure, and will try their best to close down the mixer. If the Chipmixer owners refuse that, then the feds may go ahead with domain seizure.

That's an odd assumption since the US government has never openly targeted mixers like that.

I also don't think they care in the slightest about the Binance hack. No American victims, no customer losses at all -- why would they care? The US government is probably more interested in shutting Binance down than helping them recover stolen bitcoins! Cheesy
898  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why we should measure bitcoin in duration(time) rather fiat. on: August 18, 2019, 03:57:37 PM
All fiats return to there initial value = 0.

How do we measure bitcoin in time?

basewage per hour or min wage per hour, divided by current fiat price of bitcoin.

amount of duration to solve blocks x amount of power used.

So if you want your bitcoins to become the medium of exchange we need to start using it as one.

It makes no sense to measure value with time -- that tells people nothing about the actual value/cost of goods. After all, everyone values their time differently.

People need a standard monetary unit -- called a unit of account -- to properly compare the value of different things. This requires some semblance of stability and also widespread usage and acceptance. Bitcoin offers us neither attributes at present, so don't expect people to treat it like a unit of account just yet.
899  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How difficult is it to change total bitcoin's 21 million suppply? on: August 13, 2019, 05:56:08 AM
Economic majority is not applicable for PoW coins. Hashing power is what decides the fate of bitcoin, not the people who holds a shitton of it.

Hash power merely decides which valid chain is the best chain. Essentially, their only power is to decide which transactions get confirmed, and in which order. They can't just arbitrarily change consensus rules like the the total bitcoin supply. If they break consensus rules like that, the economic majority -- exchanges, services, economically relevant users -- would just ignore their chain.
900  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Binance Hackers Bombard Chipmixer to Launder at Least 4,836 BTC on: August 12, 2019, 07:33:09 AM
I don't think that they have any real choice here. If the feds are involved, then they need to cooperate with them. Else, they will just get destroyed, like BTC-e and numerous other cryptocurrency ventures.

If Chipmixer is set up properly, the most the US government can do is seize their clearnet domain. Even if they can get their hands on servers, proper encryption should leave all funds intact. The service could be restarted within a few days in that case.

When fiat money isn't involved, the US government isn't that great of a threat.
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