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121  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 11:21:54 PM
Next difficulty prediction > 1B.
122  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 11:21:05 PM
whatsup with BTCChina?

Looks like an API problem. Site is up for me.

Frozen on bitcoinwisdom at 911 and 5555.    911 for emergency and 555 for a fake phone number Smiley
123  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 11:19:07 PM
whatsup with BTCChina?

stagnating for me too...   
124  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 11:05:47 PM
Has this been mentioned yet?

Fidelity now allows clients to put bitcoins in IRAs

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/12/11/fidelity-now-allows-clients-to-put-bitcoins-in-iras/

I can't find this at Fidelity's website.   Where is it?Huh?   Someone page Barry now.
125  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
Very good article. Not sure if it's been posted here yet.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/secondmarket-ceo-wall-street-put-203000747.html

Great! Thanks Nolo!

RE: Timing, for those who might be wondering how much runway we have left before more big dogs arrive-- says Silbert "We're three to six months away from Wall Street dollars moving into Bitcoin in a big way".

That gives US citizens time to get tax returns and pop it all into bitcoin. Wink

Thanks Wall Street for being the slow kid on the block!

Conveniently, doesn't secondmarket liquidity start in March?  I could have my facts wrong!

 
126  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 09:27:33 PM

And seemingly agreement on a bail-in for Europe.

link?

From earlier in the thread macsga http://www.cnbc.com/id/101263206

127  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 09:10:06 PM
40 minutes ago, SecondMartket said something and someone wrote about it

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And seemingly agreement on a bail-in for Europe.
128  Economy / Speculation / Re: EU set for more Cyprus-style bail-ins for troubled banks on: December 11, 2013, 09:08:54 PM
Same comment from the wall thread for me.   I think it drives money into alternatives (including stocks/bonds/gold/silver).   Betting that bitcoins are one of those alternatives.

I believe the bail in will largely affect stagnant money (sitting in cash accounts earning little/no interest).   Shame on those who don't inject their cash into volatile/scary/complex things Smiley.

129  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 08:41:10 PM
You are going to love this.  in NY times

Barry Silbert:

Quote
There’s a very large fund family that’s launching one soon that’s not yet public,” he said.

The above in reference to starting a market.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/12/11/bitcoin-believers-see-a-role-for-wall-street/?smid=re-share&_r=0

Thanks to reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1snpmw/bitcoin_believers_see_a_role_for_wall_street_ny/

130  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 08:12:10 PM
I need it 30-40$ down more so I can put a trailing stop order and take some nap.  Shocked

How about 30 to 40 USD more?



I held it down to 850 for as long as I could... sorry Wink
131  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 08:10:45 PM
European finance ministers have reached the basis of an agreement to wind down failing banks and share the costs, Eurogroup President Jeroen Dijsselbloem told CNBC following a 16-hour marathon negotiating session in Brussels.

The agreement is expected to begin with a Cyprus-style "bail-in" process in which major depositors in failing banks are tapped first in an effort to support the lender.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101263206

No comments...

so hmmm do we declare capital gains before or after the bank steals our money? i'm confused.

I wonder if this also impacts funds held in the markets by customers of banks.   What it could do is drive stagnant money into the system.   It will look for homes (Bitcoin is one Smiley).    Other homes would be gold and the stock markets/indexes etc...

132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 08:03:38 PM
I need it 30-40$ down more so I can put a trailing stop order and take some nap.  Shocked

How about 30 to 40 USD more?
133  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 07:45:41 PM
oooh oooh, auspicious chinese number.


134  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 07:37:11 PM
free fall in 5!

We are just getting ready to move into orbit.

135  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 07:30:06 PM

MOOOOOOOOOn

136  Economy / Speculation / Re: Okay, this has to be the top of the bounce. on: December 11, 2013, 07:10:10 PM
see you at $4,000
Didn't "someone" just buy a Lambo with BTC.  That "someone" must not think we'll see $4000 that soon.   Wink

It was a Tesla and maybe he was an early miner and is starting his cashout.

There is evidence that our good friend just ordered a Lambo and had it sent to MO.

http://imgur.com/a/nGb7e

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1sn0gi/someone_on_4chan_actually_bought_a_lamborghini/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg3914747#msg3914747

The comment archive for 4chan indicates the purchaser was Thai.
137  Economy / Economics / Re: Finite Supply vs Steadily Increasing Supply on: December 11, 2013, 06:30:54 PM
My .02 mBTC analysis.

It was hard/impossible to make dollars and gold infinitely divisible.  This meant inflation is required to ensure enough money supply to address rising populations and etc... Bitcoin, for our purposes, allows for this.   You don't need inflation to ensure sufficient monetary supply if the monetary supply is highly divisible.   Make sense?

Absolutely and I agree with you that this will work...to a point.

Over time the loss of coins can add up, especially if we consider Bitcoin as a long term currency.  Additionally, there is currently a high concentration of coins in the hands of a few (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316297.0), so the loss of any one of those private keys would be a major blow and cause severe instability as the supply was reduced.

A simple scenario I came up with involves the recent arrest of Ross William Ulbricht.  If he had gotten wind of them coming to arrest him (say by looking out his window as they rolled up) and was in a position to "nuke" all of the computers that housed the private keys to his and Silk Road's Bitcoins (maybe thinking that it would keep him out of jail), this would be a major problem.  If not a major problem immediately, then maybe down the road after similar scenarios play out again and again.

It is very interesting to try to grok what might happen in the far future if Bitcoin has taken significant stake in economies.    We can scale all the way down to 1 Bitcoin so 100% loss is certainly not likely in our, or our great grand childrens, lifetime.

My assumption is that each loss eventually prices in to a basket of commodities (or dollars) if it is relevant.   If bitcoins are lying stagnant in a wallet there may be little/no loss to the economy.   Same way having all that money sitting on bank balance sheets is having no impact on inflation (unused means not relevant).






138  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 06:22:32 PM

The point is not what happens "after" they receive the bitcoin.  We all have to realize that interaction with the existing system will continue for quite some time.   

The point is that people are using it and things like buying expensive assets or even inexpensive assets through the Bitcoin technology creates further network effect and growth. 
139  Economy / Economics / Re: Finite Supply vs Steadily Increasing Supply on: December 11, 2013, 06:13:04 PM
My .02 mBTC analysis.

It was hard/impossible to make dollars and gold infinitely divisible.  This meant inflation is required to ensure enough money supply to address rising populations and etc... Bitcoin, for our purposes, allows for this.   You don't need inflation to ensure sufficient monetary supply if the monetary supply is highly divisible.   Make sense?

140  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2013, 05:49:45 PM
Lambo just bought from that dealer in newport (second car from them).

https://blockchain.info/address/1MVvYHYJxYCiP8xguQo6obqZGpxLkgTLTv

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1sn0gi/someone_on_4chan_actually_bought_a_lamborghini/

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