That was already noted and i already said that we didn't go future with this conversation to explain him.
The interesting part was person losing 38btc was not really interested paying 0.1 btc which  will cost him less than lawyer to try find solution.

And yes "all casinos do it". At least all scamming casinos

Actually this forum needs way more people like me who is willing to help and expose the scammers in early state.
You judging me for something you don't understand.
I tried to expose them with questions in early state and accepting paying "bribe" was one of the tactics.
You should realize accepting to do something is not like doing it.
All of you reading only what you want to see.
The facts and truth is different.
All i wanted is to expose the scammers with questions doing it by their own "game".
People should be more like me helping the victims and question the scammers.
Also we all know that lawyer will cost him a lot more, and he will pay before any case start and not after the case is done
So don't try to make me look like a bad person.

We all have influence and it is called "questions".
We can all start asking questions and questions which will put them in situation that they will either lie or expose their real intentions.
I do have my tactics and strategy how to expose what is going on.
In first place was he even really contacted from real person from that casino or just a scammer.

In most scenarios i will waste my time and not earn any money, but at least i will try.
And yes i will suggest him playing by their rules only in words but not in acts.
That's how we will actually understand who is lying, who is saying the truth and what is going on.
In first place we all should not over react and realize saying is not like acting.
I can suggest him asking and saying many things that will help us to realize the truth.
Because like you said above, maybe even the player may be the cheater.

Yes, all scamming casinos do this to their big players.
Please, do not miss the "scamming" before the casinos.
A real legal operating casinos will never do that.
But based on the report from this guy, this is scamming casino.
Why? Because the facts with the previous 300btc claim and now this 38 claim.
For start we can count them as scamming casino and yes all scammers no matter they are casino or something else, they trying to milk/scam more and more.
I know what i am saying and i know what i am doing.
If you get it wrong please share with me what i am doing wrong and how the person can be harmed by my strategy.
My only "bad" intentions was to earn money from him AFTER helping him, which will actually cost him 10x less than hiring lawyer and start case if i success.

TP, i don't understand how my suggestion is scamy consider i never ask for money upfront?
Also you guys asking me why i keep repeating the same and the same again.
Why should i keep repeating that telling the guy to say something is not the same as doing it.
Everything is just to expose their intentions and also to see is this real person from couldbet or not.
You guys really judge for different opinion and without actual facts.
I did nothing wrong, and my strategy could not harm the guy at all but only can give us more information about the case.

Why would i help random people for free? That's not gotham and i am not batman.
We are all over this forum to earn money and helping someone to return stolen 38btc just for 0.1btc is nothing.
Even if i success that would be 10x less than a lawyer would take off him to start a case.

Then every single lawyer should be a greed bastard who trying to earn from people problems.
My judgement is actually the best one, it cannot harm the person but it can only expose the scammers.
That's not arguments but facts.
Yes, many virtual casinos which scam their players milk/try to scam more their big players, which is not secret.
Im talking about the scamming casinos of course, and by that report we all can think that casino is also scam based on this claim and the previous claim for more than 300 bitcoins on hold.

The huge walls of texts is explain how my strategy works.
You cannot deny that accepting paying "bribe" will expose their intentions.
You cannot deny that saying something is not like doing it.

I wanted to start from far to understand what is going on  fully and how this should be proceed.
Because i have different way of look and view, that doesn't mean it is not right.
It cannot harm the "victim" with anything.

Im making no sense to tell him to accept paying the bribe? Why you think so?
That will expose their future and previous intentions of the whole situation.
Accepting to pay them is not like paying them.
Playing by their own rules but with brain can expose them so easy.

I do not work for cloudbet.
How could a laywer ask for money to fix a problem with company if he's not working with them ?
With knowledge, tactics and brain.
And most likely he were never being in contact with real cloudbet but some scammer who see his email from the scam report and send him email requesting him to add random telegram.
The point of everything is for start to know is he talking with the real cloudbet or random scammer.
By accepting paying "bribe" he will understand many things are they real or not.
People should go always by the rules of those guys only in words to realize what is going on.
By that way he could understand what is real what is fake and what is going on.
This tactics are old like the sun.

You guys judging me because i have different view point and tactics than you? Is that true?
Because my tactics and different view point cannot harm the guy at all but only can help.
If you have different view and tactic than mine, then share it and lets do the right thing.
But tagging me because i have different view and way to do things is more than absurd.
Also tagging me because im asking money for help.
People selling carded paypals/ stolen cards and super illegal things on this forum and none of them get in trouble, but when someone want to help other person and asking money for that is it problem ?
I don't really understand this.
If you don't accept my ways, you can just tell me that's not right because that and that, by the same way i explain why i think my way is right.
Why should all of you guys need to abuse your powers instead of taking to people to understand their view point and if its not right just to explain them why?
Because that kind of over reacts the forum is almost dead.
Only 200-300 people from all the forum talking in meta, exchanging merits and being active, the market sections are dead, full with spam with unhandled reports, and you judging person who is trying to do the things better only because you don't accept his way ?
Be more polite to people, not to me specially but to everyone.
That's why we are here, to negotiate, and talk to each other how is right and how is not.

If it was not important for me to earn 0.1btc i would never suggest it.
I did this for money, money which i request after i help.
I were and im still more than interested to continue the conversation with him and trying to earn that 0.1 btc by legal way.
I will repeat words of mine from another thread:

" Your logic is just the same like "A lawyer saw a person in real bind and looked to make some money for his self for helping him"
Yes i am not a lawyer but same as the lawyer i do spend my time trying to solve his problem by the best way for him.
By your logic, lawyers should not exists because they take advantage of people in trouble to help them in exchange of money...
And actually the lawyers asking money upfront to start a case, i did ask money after the case is closed with happy end. "

Edit: I still stand behind my words he should accepted (in words) paying that bribe so he could see where the situation will go to expose their real intentions.
There is many ways to expose them, and that's a really smart one.

*As i stated months ago with TMAN, i was policeman in real life and i do have experience with scammers.
I do know how they work, i do know how they think.
Saying is not like doing it, at least you can expose their intentions and know what exactly is going on.
By doing anything wrong, i would not earn the requested 0.1 from me, why the hell i would do this? It makes no sense...

Why you have to look it by that way? Why don't you look it from side where someone trying to help another person.
Why should i spend my time for free ? And consider i am asking for money AFTER service i don't see anything wrong.
Also why would person who is losing 38BTC would refuse help with payment AFTER?
We are allowed to make money off anything we wish here without breaking the rules right? Or i am wrong? If there is some non written rule, please redirect me.
I find it odd that you find it strange me asking for money for my time.
If i wanted to help people for free, i would go with UNICEF.
Same as you, i do have more important things to do, which i can put in second place if i get paid for my time.
Your logic is just the same like "A lawyer saw a person in real bind and looked to make some money for his self for helping him"
Yes i am not a lawyer but same as the lawyer i do spend my time trying to solve his problem by the best way for him.
By your logic, lawyers should not exists because they take advantage of people in trouble to help them in exchange of money...
And actually the lawyers asking money upfront to start a case, i did ask money after the case is closed with happy end.

We never continue our conversation and i never had agreement from his side paying me 0.1 after my help.

I have no idea why would an allegedly scammy casino release 38btc after getting 1-3-5-15 btc "bribe".
All i can do is predict and ask questions to find solution
If you think i am dumb for what i am saying, then you are dumb for not accepting other view points and counting your own only.
Why would be dumb to pay what they want to make your loss less?
Why would be dumb to use escrow paying that "bribe" so he can't be scammed again?
Accepting the "bribe" will only help no matter they accept it with escrow or refuse it because of the escrow offer.
Already said why accepting the bribe will be the best idea.
It will either expose them as blackmailers if they accept to receive bribe with escrow service, or will expose them for second scam attempt.
Accepting paying bribe is not the same as paying it.
It can be used to clear the situation and understand more about the scammers intentions.
Think big not small.

Adding also the other messages which were censored from marlbroza and deleted.

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marlboroza is trying to hide things on his thread which is self-moderated.
Im creating new thread because everything should be transparent and no posts should be deleted.
There won't be censorship here.




Yes that's suggesting paying the extortionists so he can have at least less loss in his back.
In the end, we are trying to make his loss less.
Based on the facts they're asking money from him, there will be loss but at least it should be less.
And yes, what other option he have than going by their rules but making that secure by using escrow?
Do you actually see something bad for someone losing 38btc to accept paying something in exchange to return big loss?
Because if i was the victim, i will agree on everything security based like an escrow service for the bribe.
Yes i wanted 0.1btc for helping him get his account back.
I was going to think ways and also suggest him the escrow usage of the bribe and not only to cover his payment.
He would never know for 100% i would be the one responsible for him getting it back, but at least i would stay with him and giving him safety advice how the things should be done.
Yes i am trying to make profit by trying to help someone, that's true.
But at least i am trying to help the user and not just read his drama.
Yes i do not fully understand his huge sadness about it, but at least i am willing to help him with  what i can to make the things better than they are.
Services were always paid, and if someone want to make them for free, i don't blame them, but i am not sure why people blaming me for asking money for help.
Especially when i never requested any payment upfront.
Also, in the end we all know, even if i help him out, and i show him that i was the one who help him, he is the only one who can pay me out the 0.1 for my help.
I mean he's not forced and he can always not pay me a single cent for what i am doing and spending my time.

Then give us your best suggestion how he can solve this problem?

And why i am not allowed to suggest people privately ? If bribe is his only way to turn his money back, why would he pass that ?
There is million ways of him paying that bribe in safe way including escrow service so they could not scam him twice.
If that's a way to turn back 38 stolen bitcoins from them, why would someone refuse paying any small amount in exchange to return that large amount ?
For me it makes no sense to refuse paying little bit in exchange to take the huge loss back.

1) The victim's case is valid for sure i never said it is not. That doesn't change the fact someone contacted him asking for money.
2) Any money request is another act of scam, but there is smart way to either avoid this or at least take the advantage of the situation by paying small amount by using safe service such an escrow to turn back huge loss.

All i were trying to do is help the user to earn 0.1btc
Coins that i ask AFTER i help him out and not before that.

As you can see from our conversation i did ask you questions and you answered.
I didn't know i only predicted because like i said above, as every single scammer do, they will also ask for money.
Every single scammer trying to milk more the victim and that's more than obvious.
Also this will be the very last case i try to help someone, because every time someone trying to do something good he eat shits.
Based on your lies and twisting my words, you deserve what happened to you from the casino.
Take a closer look to our conversation, i ask you questions and you confirmed my predictions.
My predictions are based on what the scammers mostly do.
I didn't know anything before you confirm it.
Also, interesting, why did you contact me before replying my pm asking for my telegram?
How did you find my telegram without having it from me?
How the scammers contacted you ?
Did you added them after you got that email and before or after you contacting me?
Could you please show the headers from the email so we can see the IP from where they sending you that email?
I ask for your telegram for sure, but the interesting part is that you added me in telegram way before i have your telegram.
And yes i clearly stand behind my words, it is better to pay them what they want to take that huge amount they scamming off you.
There is many secured ways you paying them those money without being scammed again.
You can always use escrow and put those money/coins in safe place so they cannot scam you.
By that way, the scammers won't be able to have those coins without doing what they promise (unlock your account).
I can offer you not only bribe but many other solutions, consider i ask you for 0.1btc AFTER i help you out.
As someone wanting money for his help, i will try to do my best to help you out turning back this coins to you and receive my 0.1.
Instead of blaming everyone around, answer the questions and use your brain.
Thanks.

The opinion is - read more.
Yes i suggested him to pay bribe of course.
If that's his only chance to turn his loss back from the scammers that should be done.
Bribe can be put in escrow so they cannot scam him twice.
And yes it is known tactics from scammers to ask people for money upfront, like i said to him.
After he give me more information about the case, i clearly told him to not pay them a single cent, because it was obvious scam.
But still i will never ever change my mind that bribe can be paid to turn back his losses.
If any amount be in escrow in return of unlocking his account, that's at least solution with minimum loss to him instead of losing everything.
Make sure you read everything with the time stamps and how the conversation goes.

Edit: Full conversation between me and the guy is posted by me public, i have nothing to hide.
Also i posted my pm, posted my offer to him to help in exchange for money that should be paid AFTER if i manage to help him and not upfront.
I don't see anything wrong to ask money for service (help) especially when i clearly stated he should pay me if the things work.
Also i don't see anything wrong for him paying bribe if that will help his case.
Everyone with brain will chose to pay little bit and taking his loses back.
If the offer were legit, the guy could always suggest escrow use for the bribe so the things can't go wrong.
When you dealing with scammers, you should be always open to suggestions but using your brain also.
Sending payments without security is not acceptable.

Thanks, lets make this things clear.
I will add this also as proof when i did contact the guy from my PM's -> http://prntscr.com/mg6k0f  ( February 02, 2019, 07:44:05 PM )
And when he contacted me over telegram -> http://prntscr.com/mg6k7k ( February 02, 2019, 10:10 PM)
From what i can see, he received email from the scammer here -> https://imgur.com/a/eu89OAQ ( February 02, 2019, 02:33:03)

Lets match the timestamp.
OP should also verify his GMT time so we can match the timing.

marlboroza, thanks for the false abused negative trust, you got just the same from me.
Since when it is illegal or something bad to offer help people for money.
Money that should not be send before.
And yes, based on the statistics all scammers asking money upfront/bribe.
That's not something new and everyone know that, if you don't then open your eyes and take a look at how most scammers work.
If you telling me that i suggested OP to pay the scammers bribe, take a closer look after he giving me more detailed information about the case, how i told him to not pay them even cent.
In first place it was more than obvious they threaten him to pay money, and yes i do suggest people to pay any amount to take what was scammed, especially with that amount.
That "bribe" can be put in escrow so the scammers can take it after they unlock his account.
Take a closer look in our conversation between me and OP and then judge with your brain.
People with DT powers should be little bit more smart than this and judge after reading.

There is something sketchy with the OP.
I offered him my help for 0.1btc AFTER i manage to turn back his btc and he denied it. ( Who will decline paying 0.1 to return back 38btc consider i didn't ask him to pay me upfront)
Why would anyone from cloud bet send him  email with random telegram to contact them instead of sending him official email?
Why would he add the telegram on the email and letting the scammers manipulate him asking for money.

OP, could you please share with us the conversation with the scammers over telegram?

Do not put words from my name, let me screenshot the whole conversation between me and you.
Screens from our conversation:
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http://prntscr.com/mg60yk
http://prntscr.com/mg6122
http://prntscr.com/mg616f
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I clearly said they will ask you for bribe because that's what all scamming casinos do.
As you can read, i also told you to NOT PAY THEM anything.
I am fool to trying to give you advice, but the best advice so far from my side was to not pay them anything.
Next time when you try to put words on my mouth, don't forget that people keep record of their conversation.
Based on the lies you saying so far, i don't believe they cheated you also.
You told me they asking 5btc from you, and i told you to not pay them that amount and always start to negotiate if you even want to go with their rules.
And in the end i told you to not pay them anything.
Anyway, i am not with anyone, and especially with any casinos, i don't even gamble.
I just see what most scammers do and predicted the obvious.

Based on your recent screenshots updated on the case, the only guys who have your telegram is the guy who send you that email and you added.



Do not even try to put me in your bullshits because i barely care how they scammed you and what they doing for you.
I tried to help you offer in exchange for cash and as it can be seen from our conversation my offer is transparent.
Everyone can see the messages i send you which include:
"anyway, if i help you get the account back will you pay me 0.1 btc?"
"after you have it not before that"
Obviously i didn't ask you for cent before i try to help you.
I was thinking to force them with strategy to pay you, but consider they already ask money for you, that's impossible and i just leaved it.

Edit: Next time when you adding scammers to your telegram, do not try to blame the people trying to help you.

Never posted on local board...
They are mostly in marketplaces.

Since almost 2 weeks 20+ not handled reports sitting without resolution.
Currency exchange and altcoin marketplace full with spam and no one take care of the reports..
Is reporting posts = time wasting ?
We need more mods because the current seems to busy to handle the requests