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1241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BREAKING NEWS] CNC might soon be traded on Bter.com on: May 04, 2013, 03:58:42 AM
What's the history of scamcoins? Could anyone post some threads/list of scamcoins? Let's history help us not to make the same mistakes Cheesy

There should be a Wikisite on the history of scam and failed coins. We need to actually keep records of every coin, how it was launched and the end result after 6 months to a year. Eventually we will need a review site for coins.
1242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [BREAKING NEWS] CNC might soon be traded on Bter.com on: May 04, 2013, 03:57:25 AM
I wont support it because it's still nation stage nationalist crypto. Chinacoin? Why not support USDollarcoin then?

I wonder which government is sponsoring Chinacoin? Hmm...
1243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: May 03, 2013, 05:25:59 AM
Hi All.

It has been a while since I replied I know.
What I can say is that we ARE listening to the feedback you're all making via email/Facebook/twitter and of course here on the forum. There are some very interesting ideas floating around. We are taking note as we need to produce a product that our customers can actually use.

So we will look at producing other types of devices etc.

Sam, you are gonna face competition .. Avalon DIY and other wannabees coming along. Some Avalon DIY guys are buying bulk of Avalon Chips
to make clones of the Avalon Miner for re-sell.. very smart..

Thanks Dan we actually want to see all types of legitimate competition in the market. That puts pressure on all parties involved and should put a stop to companies treating the customers as badly as they have been treated in the past.

We are up for the challenge I can assure you all of that.

Thanks

Sam
KnCMiner
www.kncmienr.com



Sam, Thanks for dropping by and glad that you do sometimes read the comments in this forum, how many more pages to read  in this thread before we could see a working real life model of your FPGA and Asic Bitcoin Miner.? You just need to produce proof in videos and photos of your working
product models with some detail specs in order for us to start ordering this products from you. We need ACTION .. the talk and talk is over. yep is over.

Whatever they release must be a guaranteed 2 month ROI or I'm not buying it and I don't think others will either. They should give it enough Ghash that we get our money back no matter how much the difficulty is expected to rise. If they cannot do that, it's a good idea to just mine Litecoins.
1244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Your views on pre-mining? on: May 03, 2013, 04:52:15 AM
I'm trying to understand the general consensus towards pre-mining among the alt-coin community. In particular what single, or multiple reasons are behind what you think makes pre-mining a bad concept? (if at all, in some cases I guess).

Is it due to the fact that it's usually performed in secrecy before or at the launch of a new coin?
Is it the sheer volume or amount of coins pre-mined?
Is it just so that if/when a new coin is profitable, they can be sold for a quick buck?

On the flip side, is there any instance where-by pre-mining is an acceptable practice?

It could be a combination of many things to you, of course.

Appreciate any and all answers in advance.
My curiosity thanks you.

 Smiley


Premining is bad because the lucky people are artificially selected. What Mincoin did was fair because anyone could have mined it for those 3 days and they would be an early adopter. I think basically if people other than the founders are allowed to get rich it's not a premine.
1245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Announce] 6-Week Alt Announcement on: May 03, 2013, 04:48:02 AM
Maybe SquaReCoin (SRC) ?

Or RooTCoin (RTC)?

Or SQuareRootcoin (SQR) ?

-MarkM-


Rootcoin
1246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Feathercoin just hit BTC-e on: May 03, 2013, 01:23:05 AM
BTC-E is free to add any coin they want. It's a free market.

BTC-E was right to add feathercoin at this time even if its a pump and dump coin. Pump and dump coins have a place. The place is to make mining profitable enough so people don't quit mining altogether. The purpose that it must be profitable is because mining is becoming more expensive with ASICS.

Everyone saw this coming and as a trend it's going to get worse because of ASICS. ASICS are hard to find, hard to buy, cost as much as a car ($10,000-20,000), where are people supposed to just get that kind of money? OH I know, mine feathercoins for a few months.
1247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Feathercoin just hit BTC-e on: May 03, 2013, 01:17:10 AM
wow I was a feathercoin supporter but now I just see it as a pump and dump. I bet the early miners know it has no real future and are just becoming millionaires off it by cashing out now and moving on. How could it be valued so high when no one uses it to actually buy and sell stuff and its only one week old? alt-coins have turned into merely get-rich-quick schemes instead of being actual attempts to create a currency. Sad.

In order to support Bitcoin we need some alt-coins to act as get rich quick. Where do you think the money to buy expensive mining equipment comes from? It comes from mining. Miners have to get rich to buy ASICS.

At being said once you have plenty of mining equipment why would you have to stop at mining feathercoin? Now you're free to mine more types of coins. But for now the purpose of feathercoin is to help miners profit enough to afford ASICs in the near future. It's a pump and dump coin and I actually hate the design of it (400 million coins is just stupid), but I also understand it has to exist as a response to ASICS.

When people were making ASICS in such limited quantities they knew that $9000-10,000 for a device means people will have to basically get rich in order to keep mining. Feathercoin easily is making people $3000 a month.

LMAO there's a buy order 90 BTC for FTC at .004

Someone is going to be 10 thousand richer in a minute.


This is how miners will have to make money in the world of ASICS. I don't particularly like that I'll have to mine feathercoins because LTC isn't profitable but any smart miner will mine what is profitable to be able to save to afford the ASICs.
1248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Feathercoin just hit BTC-e on: May 02, 2013, 05:50:18 PM
I am no longer going to use btc-e.

First they add novascam, now the add pumpcoin- i mean feathercoin

I was OK with PPC and TRC, but this is rediculous.

Im glad ltc is going to gox!
I don't even know anything about Feathercoin, but what's wrong with letting people trade whatever cryptocurrencies they want?  I think it is awesome that BTC-e isn't afraid to add all sorts of alt coins for trading.

Because feathercoin is worthless. All the noobs are partaking in one of the biggest pump and dump scams of ALT coin history. Ive never seen a coin pumped like this.

Feathercoiners printed over 2 million usd in a week.

It's the pumps are only going to get faster and more aggressive with each generation. Get used to it and perhaps buy some cheap coins so you can make hundreds of thousands of dollars like they are.
1249  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Should a Bitcoin based coin for gaming/gamification be developed? on: May 02, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
So what happens when player 1 decides to play game abc and becomes fabulously wealthy. Then game xyz comes out and player 1 is automatically the best player in the game before anyone has a chance to do anything simply because player 1 has a massive bankroll coming in from abc. This is the real issue with creating a universal currency. It causes you to ruin the integrity of a stand alone game. For example, is it fair if I go run 500 bots on Diablo 2 then trade all those items off for some currency and then trade that currency for all of the best gear in World of Warcraft? (This is currently happening btw and it hurts both games)

That is why there should be an exchange rate between games and that is why not every game has to support Xcoin. In many games that is a good thing. If you put in X amount of time to become fabulously wealthy in one game such as for example Diablo 2 and then Diablo 3 comes out and you want to transfer your wealth from Diablo 2 to Diablo 3 you should be able to. The exchange rate can be high enough to discourage a person or there can be a limit to how much a person an transfer.

The way things are now people already use USD to do this so nothing would change. The integrity of Diablo 2? Diablo 2 always had people using USD to buy accounts or buy in game items. It's really simple, many games will have to be redesigned and also not every game will support something like this but ultimately if players really want to make these trades they will regardless of if the game supports it. Nothing stops me from setting up a site right now to let people bid on in game characters with wealth and items in exchange for Bitcoin.

So I do see your argument but I don't think that just because some games would be ruined for you that we shouldn't have an Xcoin at all. The ability to transfer results or wealth between games is incredibly useful and I don't think you've factored it all in how much it could change gaming but not only gaming but the entire economy and how we live. You will have people who will get wealthy in the game world and in the real world at the same time. Why wouldn't we want this as gamers?

Now think of the potential of ARGs. With an ARG you can literally create games which solve real world problems and people can get paid and get wealthy playing those games. The only thing missing is the universal global virtual currency to connect all the different serious game networks together. A serious game is a gamification which solves a real world or serious problem. Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 don't really solve any real world problems. That being said even if they don't solve real world problems and while I do not want these less than serious games to be ruined I would put priority on the serious games because those games can fundamentally change our world and the economy.

Here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game
                 http://www.argn.com/tag/serious_games/

Please do some research into ARGs if you don't know how important they are. Just as Bitcoin and the Internet can change the world ARGs can fundamentally change what work is. It is a development such as this which would make Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies mainstream as everyone would want to play some ARG at some point and would have to buy the coins and spend them within the context of the game.

Maybe this could be implemented using colored coins, either using btc or on an alt coin blockchain.

Yep , that is what I was thinking. But I don't know enough about colored coins as I have not seen anything actually implement the concept, I would say that yes it's related. I don't think it should use BTC but something which is based around it but somehow more suitable to ARGs and games.  Namecoin is something I was thinking about as well as having interesting properties for something like this. This thread isn't a technical thread, it's a thought experiment to see if the Bitcoin community is ready for something like this and to see how it would be received.
1250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] ATcoin ATC a new crypto on: May 02, 2013, 02:28:28 PM
Good to see more coins, more coins = less centralization
What does AT stand for?

It's only good if those coins are useful and evolve. More trash isn't good.
1251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MC2: A democratic cryptocurrency based on a hybrid PoW/PoS system on: May 02, 2013, 07:54:44 AM
Some food for thought... (Please explore and critique these ideas, they are intended for brainstorming purposes)


- VALUE: Cryptocurrencies are currently linked very strongly to the USD/EU. Many miners simply mine the currency in order to sell it for USD. If these are ever going to have a chance at surviving, the infrastructure needs improvement. That is happening to a point, but really what we want is not 'x coins buys x dollars' but rather 'x coins buys a soda' as a way of thinking. What if the coins, as they gained value against other currencies, actually multiplied by 10's? so if its initial worth was $0.10 US, 10 coins buys a soda. If the value against the USD goes up to $1.00 per coin, everyone coins get multiplied by 10 (sort of like splitting a stock). The purpose would be to keep the purchasing power of a single coin approximately constant so that resellers can set prices in terms of our currency and not risk their prices being way off due to massive market swings like bitcoin has experienced.

You're misunderstanding the psychology of coin collectors. I have collected stuff all my life. My uncle taught me to collect coins, then it was onto baseball and basketball cards, and so on and so forth. The value in whatever you're collecting depends on the condition it's in and how rare it is. How valuable would a limited edition anything be if you decide later on that because the USD moved that now you're going to make it less limited? That is basically what the US banks and federal reserve already do and why would we want to bring that weakness into cryptocurrencies?

I think the total number of coins must be less than Bitcoin to be worth more than Bitcoin. It's not really something you can disprove because the math is the truth. Mincoin is the most valuable coin and I think this coin should copy Mincoin and go with let's say 8 million total coins (Mincoin has 10 million). The only mistake Mincoin made was they had a 3 day IPO launch which most people believe was a bit too quick but beyond that as far as the mathematics behind it go, for a mere fork of Litecoin it has better long term value than Litecoin could ever have. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165397.0 The math does not lie.

Now am not saying everything about Bitcoin or Mincoin is right but the one thing Bitcoin and Mincoin did get right was to limit the total number of coins. That was one of the best decisions. The volatility isn't going to be an issue once the infrastructure is in place do you're trying to say Netcoin should try to solve a problem which wont be a problem by the time Netcoin becomes mainstream?

Netcoin's problem will be growing fast enough and being valuable enough. The infrastructure will be in place and so a fast-track IPO in my opinion is the best way to do it not just for Netcoin but for future coins where the launches should be faster and faster because there shouldn't be the assumption that there will be time to launch them like there are now. Either the environment will be much more hostile to cryptocurrencies or much more competitive and either way a quick launch is a competitive advantage. Bitcoin was the first so it could take 5 years because there was no infrastructure. The first websites and search engines could take a longer time but the growth rate has to improve.

I'm saying Netcoin could get away with 11 million coins, this is less than Bitcoin and competitive with Mincoin. It cannot get away with 400 million coins or 100 million coins or 60 million coins. It has to be less than Bitcoin to be competitive with Bitcoin because no one is going to buy into Netcoin if Netcoin isn't worth as much (and never will be) as Bitcoin. It should be a decision where Netcoin will eventually be worth double what Bitcoin is worth and then everyone would buy Netcoins as soon as it's useful and they can spend it.
1252  Economy / Speculation / Re: LTC/BTC rate after the first 24 hours of trading on Gox. [POLL] on: May 02, 2013, 07:00:10 AM
Why are you investing in a copypaste coin based on btc?

the only diference is that ltc cant be mined in asics (maybe in the future)

and that and confirm times are 2.5mins (less secure, and needs more confirmations), do you think that the 10mins confirmation time was choosen randomly by satoshi?

and the silver to gold, as litcoin to bitcoin doesn't make any sence, bitcoin is divisible by 8 decimals, and gold is not.

Litecoin indirectly inflates Bitcoin.
1253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: **Mincoin** Bronze To Bitcoin Gold [minute blocks] [scrypt mining] on: May 02, 2013, 06:09:23 AM
Passwords are hashed before storing on the server... been in discussion about this with the dev.  He's put a crazy amount of effort into the security of the back end.  Still, SSL is on his radar and should be implemented soon.

If you don't want to use the exchange until then,  I'd completely understand.  I think the main reason why he hasn't used it is because he is a HUGE fan of separating himself from the rest of the world via proxies.  He, and about 90% of the people he deals with on the day-to-day basis already use such proxies so their data is secured from client-to-server-back to client, even without SSL.

I'm not making excuses.  I'm just relaying the guys logic of why this has been a secondary priority.

Then why hasn't he implemented 2 factor authentication? I talked to the guy and suggested he at least support Yubikey. If you're gonna run a blind exchange you need to at least support. Even Bitcointalk runs with SSL.

For this moment in time it's not an issue but considering the mathematics behind what Mincoin's actual value is, this is unsustainable. Mincoin was launched only last month so I'm cutting them some slack.
1254  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: help forbes reporter live off bitcoins on: May 02, 2013, 05:40:49 AM
I e-mailed her some ways of getting by on just spending bitcoins. With bitspend and the ability to buy so many things online in San Francisco it should not be too difficult.

The spin of the story so far is "oh my gosh it's such torture having to limit myself to only using Bitcoin...not yet ready for public use".

The headline could also read "Someone with very little knowledge of Bitcoin tries to do things most experienced Bitcoin users do not do, with no preparation."

The wired magazine guy who did a story on how to disappear at least was given some lead time to prepare.

The Forbes reporter could have ordered a starbucks card and a bus pass and used bitspend to top them up as needed throughout the week. Could have ordered an OKPay card. Could have ordered a pre-paid phone with cards that could be topped up.

She could do a month easy by taking a week to get things prepared.

You should email her.
1255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: help forbes reporter live off bitcoins on: May 02, 2013, 05:39:35 AM
Was very entertained and impressed by this article.

Certainly made me take a moment and think about the feasibility of living off bitcoin. At this moment it is impossible to live solely off bitcoins and live a typical life. But at the same time I am quite impressed with the amount of goods and services you can currently purchase with bitcoins. We have a very long way to go but we've come far.

Will be following her journey.

It's not impossible it's just difficult. The most difficult part is paying bills, once that is solved it becomes easier. Other issues are buying gas and stuff like that.
1256  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: help forbes reporter live off bitcoins on: May 02, 2013, 05:38:45 AM
this is kind of like the groupon challenge that was done 2 years ago.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/05/01/living-on-bitcoin-for-a-week-the-journey-begins
i think this is great reporting direction. except it would be better if she did this in 6 months when better infrastructure would be in place.

i urge the community in the bay area to help her! offer her rides to from work for bitcoins. offer her anything she wants and take her bitcoins.
if you care about bitcoins WORKING help her understand the value it brings.
make her offers for whatever she needs

Show her this http://billpayforcoins.com/payyourbills.php
1257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPcoin Logo tweak (peercoin) on: May 02, 2013, 05:22:41 AM
I like bottom left as well. Good work.

I am starting to really like PPCoin after doing more research into it. It is good to have a popular SHA-256 alt. If something is found wrong with scrypt, then having another popular SHA-256 ALT would be important. I think I'll probably switch at least 1 of my rigs over, PPCoin will be around for a long time.

Sunny King is one of the best developers the ALT coin ecosystem has. He is very active in the forums, and even fixes other chains such as Terracoin by exposing vulnerabilities and helping fix them.

I think this is the first time I've admitted this in public.. I'm probably going to be a PPCoin supporter soon.  Smiley

SHA-256 is too good to not have a popular ALT coin for it. All BTC hardware works with it, so once ASICs are readily available, the PPC network will be really secure as more and more ASICs start to switch over to PPC as ASICs get cheaper to buy and less profitable on BTC as their difficulty sky rockets.

Consider making some physical PPcoins then?

PPcoin has great potential. It also has to be security audited in the very near future. Sunny King please arrange for a proper security audit so we can push to make PPcoin mainstream.
1258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: User Luke-Jr claims Litecoin is a "quick pump and dump scheme" on Wikipedia on: May 01, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Litecoin is a scheme to water down the value of Bitcoin by producing a 400million coins and then taking away the miners. Litecoin is an inferior coin because theres over 400 million.
1259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: **Mincoin** Bronze To Bitcoin Gold [minute blocks] [scrypt mining] on: May 01, 2013, 07:41:25 PM
Mincoin is shooting up in value at the exchange http://www.mcxnow.com exciting stuff.
And wait until that exchange become one of the major out there!
I'm speculating that when some other pairs will be added, people will start to diversify their holdings into MinCoin causing the price of this rare, fast altcoin to skyrocket.


The exchange doesn't even have secure socket layer.

This. Secure socket layer (SSL) is what any website involving financial transactions should have as a standard.

No SSL means your communication with the website when you visit each page isn't encrypted. So your password is sent is plaintext and can be viewed by a packet sniffer, for example.


Yes it could be a honeypot set up by hackers to sniff exchange passwords used by dummys who use the same password on multiple exchanges. Not a very good idea for a coin which is even more valuable than Bitcoin. It also means the people running the exchange can someday decide to commit robbery and take your coins merely by logging in as you.
1260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: **Mincoin** Bronze To Bitcoin Gold [minute blocks] [scrypt mining] on: May 01, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Mincoin is shooting up in value at the exchange http://www.mcxnow.com exciting stuff.
And wait until that exchange become one of the major out there!
I'm speculating that when some other pairs will be added, people will start to diversify their holdings into MinCoin causing the price of this rare, fast altcoin to skyrocket.


The exchange doesn't even have secure socket layer.
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