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1241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: STOP MAKING COINS BAD FOR CRYPTO CURRENCY WILL DESTROY ALL COINS EVENTUALLY on: May 04, 2013, 07:52:40 PM
i hop so that some of these coins can one day be great but if people keep cloning shit well you know what happens then

yeah just like the IBM compatible computer.  people cloned the shit out of IBM's PC.  IBM totally went bankrupt.  Wish they were still around to see the PC glory days.

oh and Apple.  Look what happened to them.  Freakin Android stole their design and just made a crappy copy of the iPhone.  Apple must be worthless now.
1242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Who owns http://chn.ub3rl33t.com/ ? on: May 04, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
Here is his emal address markus.r13@gmail.com I use his pool for bbq and mincoin and he is 100% on the up and up.

i use him for ftc as well and used to use his cnc.  I had no problems and it was a very reliable connection.  low stales and rejects. 
1243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: STOP MAKING COINS BAD FOR CRYPTO CURRENCY WILL DESTROY ALL COINS EVENTUALLY on: May 04, 2013, 02:13:13 AM

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a better comparison would be paper / metal coin currency. how many countries are there? and every single one ( except Antarctica ) has their own currency. this has been happening since the dawn of time. lots of different currency.

 not to mention all the other things people trade / collect to use as currency. dooms days prepped people buy enough alcohol to fill entire stock rooms in anticipation of alcohol one day being one of the most important things to have. i would want to drink living in post apocalypse.

 Grin

lol quoting myself... now that i put that idea in your heads maybe beercoin will come back lol. or maybe someone will come out with 151coin / RUMcoin

The hash coin

1244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY]FREE BitBar! 0.01 BTB per Person on: May 04, 2013, 02:08:41 AM
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1245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: STOP MAKING COINS BAD FOR CRYPTO CURRENCY WILL DESTROY ALL COINS EVENTUALLY on: May 04, 2013, 12:52:52 AM
Can we really argue candy bars and ice cream are the same as a brand new industry such as cryptocurrency?

New alts won't destroy all coins but I could definitely see a massive market crash that makes them all worthless for a year or two before they are reborn.

it would be due to the bitcoiners going galt.  they all quit from mass frustration.  but even if it crashed and people stopped mining, all it would take is a couple weeks for difficult to collapse before people started mining again.  that is the beauty of it.    any crash is short term.
1246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: STOP MAKING COINS BAD FOR CRYPTO CURRENCY WILL DESTROY ALL COINS EVENTUALLY on: May 04, 2013, 12:44:02 AM
Yes and let the party go on! Let it go and it will eventually stop but we can't stop it artificially.

For me, the final test for a coin is... can I buy something with it? I do with bitcoin lots of things, very few things with LTC and that's it.

The other thing at least for now is mere speculation.

If a coin is used to trade for other coins then there is a market.  Bitcoin just falls into the class of coins which is used as a replacement for everyday currency... it's the Bitcoin niche.  Alt coins could be used as trading coins, similar to antique coins I can purchase right now which have no real buying power, but I can sell them and trade them for fiat currency.

+1
1247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: STOP MAKING COINS BAD FOR CRYPTO CURRENCY WILL DESTROY ALL COINS EVENTUALLY on: May 04, 2013, 12:32:59 AM
Im selling soon, this is getting stupid

shells selling their fake coins

sure sell you will just be hurting every other bitcoiner who has the same sensibilities you have.  Why are you so angry?
1248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Who owns http://chn.ub3rl33t.com/ ? on: May 04, 2013, 12:00:03 AM
Trying to figure out who on the forum own http://chn.ub3rl33t.com/

As it stopped paying out as of yesterday so its turning into a scam pool and I want to tag the user responsible for the possible scam.

Anyone please help me out? I searched but only got 3 results on the forums.

Thanks!

its not a scam, he reported he is shutting the server down for several days.  also payouts take a while to validate.
1249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WTB 100k ChinaCoins(CHCs!!) on: May 03, 2013, 10:34:54 PM
Excellent transaction with WeTradeCoins,  would consider him a very reputable trader.
1250  Other / Meta / [REQ] New subforum for new coin [ANN]s on: May 03, 2013, 10:08:51 PM
The coins are being created at such a fast rate that we need a sub forum  Tongue
1251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WTB 100k ChinaCoins(CHCs!!) on: May 03, 2013, 10:05:24 PM
1000CNC for 25LTC
1252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is there still need for more coins, or better, opporutnities for innovation? on: May 03, 2013, 08:57:10 PM
Devilcoin:  Cap of 666million coins, confirms in 666 milliseconds, and the coin logo would have a little picture of a devil on it.

Will your address be the mark of the beast?
1253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: That's it, I've lost hope in the future of crypto currencies... on: May 03, 2013, 08:54:50 PM

also companies compete for the same capital, a dollar that buys one share stock cannot buy another, but with the crypto bubble of 2013 is unqiue in two ways:

- What being crowded out is computing power... we're probably going to cause a massive brownout when all is said and done, lol
- When the bubble pops most of what people will lose is BTC, since BTC is the main way of buying alt coins so it won't be as big a deal to the world as when people see massive drops in their domestic currency (won't have a huge effect on any nations banking system)
- The end result will just be a bunch of bitter speculators who spent to much money on GPUs who now find themselves with no more BTC and bunch of altcoin worth less then they paid for.
- But like other bubbles a few companies do survive and prove their worth

Well said.  The market is smaller that these people realize.  I believe it is a fraction of its true potential.  I don't thing we are near the brownout stage.  Not enough people in the masses know about it yet.  People I work with are more put off by it at this stage.  After all it is only 3+ years old.  Its when the disinterested masses jump in is when it really starts producing brown outs.  How many companies produce hardware that can mine?  When they number in the tens of dozens is when I'll worry about a real bubble.

You are right its just a bunch of speculators but mostly ideologists.  The Teslas of the era.  Its still the age of innovation in cryptocurrencies and we have some time before the real competition begins.
1254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: That's it, I've lost hope in the future of crypto currencies... on: May 03, 2013, 08:48:21 PM
This phase of altcoin saturation I see being short lived ,I'm not endorsing this next point but I feel it's a direction we might be headed - different crypto coins will become location-centric as we live in a world of boarders a certain small number of crypto coins with very similar characteristics will be favoured based on where you live. Rather than a particular coins features .

I think it might be more than that.  Since this is digital its more than just location based.  Ideas like 4chan, lolcats, facebook transend physical locations.  There are location based ideas and concepts like miko miko that do not catch on everywhere.  Some people have ideologies that do not jive with others and they will not put money toward it.  I think cryptos are the future but not in their current state.  I think that idea based coins are the next great wave of cryptos, especially when they are connected to folding projects, that benefit society.

This is all moving forward towards the new future where we invest in ideas and concepts to move them forward into the public space and where financial reward comes from investing in ideas in more abstract ways like digital currency.  We already do it physically with lobbying politicians to get an agenda to move forward.  

What if a coin could be spawned to move an idea forward.  A lower taxes coin where 2% of the node fees goes to lobbying a politician to change his vote.  It means people could compete against the corporations.  Or a coin that cures breast cancer?  Dilutive to the market yes because right now the market is small but in the coming years the market will be massive.  A few billion will pale in comparison the the hundreds of trillions it can be in the coming decades.
1255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: That's it, I've lost hope in the future of crypto currencies... on: May 03, 2013, 08:37:55 PM
That is like saying adding another stock to the stock market will dilute the ones already there and ruin the credibility of the others. For every Worldcom and Enron there are other stocks that have more trusted and have true value.  Maybe what we need is a market of sound analysts that can weed out the fly by nights from the more legitimate coins.  But for that you need to have a more mature market. 

Welcome to the days of the bucket shops!  If you ever get a chance to read Reminiscence of a Stock Market Operator please do so.  You will perfectly understand what is going on right now in the cryptocurrency market. 

I haven't read the book, however I want to give my opinion about your analogy.

The stock market with real companies is a bit different from cryptos, since they are real companies making profits, other companies do not dilute the value, but decisions, news, incoming laws, future plans do... though this is only my opinion, I'm not very educated on the subject

Are you saying that one of the companies that are operating in the cryptocurrency market are real.  We'll that is good then mtGox doesn't have to be worried about that lawsuit since they are imaginary.  

yes the companies are real but the value we place on their shares (coins) is arbitrary.  We make up those numbers based on a number of metric we feel are important.  How is that any different here?

New companies DO dilute the value of other companies IN the MARKET.  If I create a new company and start mining gold well that is gold that the other companies cannot mine.  That means they have less opportunity because I've prevented from capturing it in this mine.  As a result my value goes up against theirs.  They potential value goes down.  If there was a single company mining all gold then they would have all the value and their shares would be worth the same as the total market cap of the industry.

Bitcoiners are upset because the total market value of the cryptocurrency market is not growing as fast as the number of currencies are as a result Bitcoin value is distributed to other currencies.  Eventually they will all reach parity but not without some massive price swings.  This is all healthy market action in a free market system.  Its just that some early adopters were not smart enough to anticipate it.

And there is a quote about never staying married to a stock.  I think it holds true here.  Never marry a coin.
1256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WHich Crypto is the least Asics Hostile on: May 03, 2013, 08:29:12 PM
If bitcoin hashrate and dificulty goes up and asics provides enough sustenance for the market then why introduce so many cryptos into something thats already there and set up and has been already used by the majority.  I could understand a few added but theres so many of them i cant see all of them being to mainstream but then again in ten years anything can happen.    all these crypto could be merged into one and still given their own value for the miner but provide only one currency for the market.   i cant see them all working against each orther as a currency but it can be good for the mining part i think.  i dont know? 

how many stocks are int he stock market?  How many can you choose from?  How is it that all those stock shares (coins) ca all exist at the same time with different and often such high values and be sustainable?

Because humans choose it to be that way.
1257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: That's it, I've lost hope in the future of crypto currencies... on: May 03, 2013, 08:25:01 PM
Yea point 4 is the whole point of my thread, my opinion is the opposite as yours though, my personal opinion is that I think that all altcoins are making BTC unstable and ultimately will crumple.

This you are 100% correct on.  In fact, I've already been seeing comments on the outside of people pointing out that BTC is a "scam" because anyone can just inflate the supply by making a random "buttcoin".  The thing is, at this point they're being proven right.

That is like saying adding another stock to the stock market will dilute the ones already there and ruin the credibility of the others. For every Worldcom and Enron there are other stocks that have more trusted and have true value.  Maybe what we need is a market of sound analysts that can weed out the fly by nights from the more legitimate coins.  But for that you need to have a more mature market. 

Welcome to the days of the bucket shops!  If you ever get a chance to read Reminiscence of a Stock Market Operator please do so.  You will perfectly understand what is going on right now in the cryptocurrency market. 
1258  Economy / Speculation / Re: the real reason btc is dropping on: May 03, 2013, 05:45:33 PM

think of bitcoins like a river.  When the water is flowing it feeds all the plants on it's banks.  But the out regions of land are dry and not fertile.  Think of mtGox, Coinlab and other exchanges as irrigation systems.  Thy help the water flow to places where it normally down not.  The more irrigation you have the more land the water can make fertile.  When there is a risk of an irrigation system being damaged or being removed all the crops in that area will die.  That hurts the livelihood of the farmers there.  It also hurts the trust that the irrigation system builders can keep the water flowing or in being able to repair.

In the end it just spooked traders and investors.  In reality its a short term drop as it provides an opportunity for other exchanges to appear and take market share if Gox disappears.  I'm not saying they will, I doubt it will happen, but there is a risk of it.
1259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WTB] FTC with LTC | Offering up to 5000 LTC | LTC Remaining = 5000 on: May 02, 2013, 08:57:47 PM
FTC is currently $0.506813/USD  this is a bad offer
1260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BitBar New POW-POS scrypt CryptoCoin on: May 02, 2013, 08:53:38 PM
Hopefully the next coin comes along for a quick early mine

Actually a lot better than a quick early mine is months and months and months of difficulty so low than even CPUs can mine.

BBQcoin, for example. Next up maybe Tenebrix or I0Coin or GRouPcoin or CoiLedCoin or GeistGeld, maybe each of them, one at a time, spaced out (i.e. wait until the getting rich from your CPU-mined BBQcoins phase is over before moving on to the getting rich on the next CPU-mined coin to come back into the limelight phase...)

-MarkM-


I blame the ASICS for this..  Roll Eyes  GPU farms that were mining bitcoins were put out of work so they moved over to the alt coins.  It is a recipe for disaster.  Any new coin that comes out will ramp up difficulty so fast that CPUs don't have a chance.  Good against botnets I guess.  But your average joe now has a harder time getting into CPU/GPU mining.  

Like like real mining.  Who sees an old school miner with a donkey and a pick axe anymore.  No instead a corporation comes in and literally grinds the top off a mountain sifts out the metals and poors the gravel back like that was how it alway was, then on to the next hill.
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