You've been signed up for long enough to see some genuinely horrid falls surely. The fall to $160 was pretty nauseating. This is nothing. It's hot air leaving the balloon.

If there is a denial the reason will be Bitcoin itself. Not much any application can do about that. Anyone reapplying in the short term would be throwing their money away because the only possible change on the horizon would be forkageddon. Better to wait and see what this beast gets up to.

If they detested the idea from day one then they wouldn't have dragged it out this long. Understandably they're going to have a lot of doubts. That's what all of these meetings and amendments have been addressing. The length of it all says to me that they've been giving it very serious consideration.

I assume the Winklevii would have to start over again and perhaps find themselves another exchange too. I can't see the point of reapplying in the near future if there is a rejection. They'll have done all they can with this one.

After this there's SolidX and GBTC. Perhaps they'll have a stronger case but I think it's Bitcoin itself that's going to scupper any applications and no application can address that.

Why? They're a bunch of dump happy pricks. Look what the market did when they were MIA. I assume fees are going to dampen their behaviour but they're degenerate gamblers who bring nothing to Bitcoin whatsoever.

How can you be proofed against something that doesn't exist yet?

I find it pretty amazing the speed all of these companies are heading towards connecting everything conceivable to the internet, yet they really don't appear to give much of a shit about leaving the doors wide open for hackers to have some fun.

It would be far more reassuring had they provably solved device security before running down this road. I don't really fancy some Russian midget calling me up and threatening to drive me into the nearest brick wall if I don't pay up.

Anyone who doesn't expect Them to have the capability to help themselves your smartphone, tv, computer etc is a bleedin' moron.

Of course they'll be able to do that. If you don't like it then junk it all and go retro. Even if the CIA isn't listening to you, the manufacturers themselves clearly state that they'll monitor all the things you get up to.

All one has to do when thinking of a One World Currency is look at what the Euro has done to most of Europe. And that's a fairly homogenous bunch with economies that aren't too out of kilter with each other.

What works for Canada might not hit the spot for Suriname.

Gold still hasn't passed an all time high reached a piffling 37 years ago adjusted for inflation.

I hope all these tossers who pump it constantly reimburse their audience when it just sits there and doesn't do much as usual.

That's a whole different ball game. ETH is a pumper plaything and not much else. It doesn't really matter what happens to it.

Everything in the crypto space is underpinned by BTC. If that decides to have a funny turn then it's considerably more serious. If it can be hijacked once, then there's nothing stopping it happening repeatedly until there's nothing left. I think I'd be walking long before then.

$2000 is peanuts. $10,000 is less peanuts but still not enough to get my watery sap rising. I plan on spending it, not selling it.

In case you hadn't noticed the UK is in the EU until 2019.

It's by far the cheapest country in Europe for used cars. A Ford C Max of that age would start from about 900 Euros.

There is the small problem of the steering wheel being on the wrong side of course and I suppose you might have to meet the seller in Calais to avoid border hassle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/5xtgjc/megathread_etf_part2/delkwcp/

Fake ETF denial sparks insta panic. There's a wee taster if it's a genuine no.

And everyone who uses services like Facebook is willingly embracing it. Orwell predicted Big Brother would be watching us. The reality turned out to be him sitting at home in his pyjamas while his subjects were only too happy to supply him with everything he ever wanted.

I've no idea why they postponed it, but the fact that they did long enough to witness China turning to shit is the one thing that might sway them to yes if it were a no before.

Much as I dig BTC, there's no way I would've sanctioned investor exposure to something controlled by a bunch of bucket shops on the other side of the world.



By all means guess and bet. There's nothing else you can do. It's pure pissing in the wind.

I have absolutely noooooo idea.

Decide your most beneficial positions and stick to them. There might be a lot of irrational action over the next few days. Don't get caught up in them yourself. The real traders make money off the emotional moves of the regular folk. Neither dumps nor pumps last long. Make sure you're on the right side of them.

Not fake. It's clearly googleable for everyone. However it's been like this for years and it's to get back into locked accounts. You also don't necessarily need government issued ID, just ID of some sort.

Since they probably know how your mind works better than you do, I don't think handing over some ID will make much difference over the way they're already sucking the jizz out of your mind and selling it on.

So you're still day trading, albeit on a slightly longer timeline.

What do you want out of Bitcoin? A few bucks short term? Super long term gains?

If those are the criteria then there's never been and never will be a safe haven. Gold has been confiscated, controlled and manipulated like mad too. Its status as a safe haven is by permission of the powers that be. Obviously long term a gold burier will be fine, but if they want to return to normal markets if restrictive conditions are in place then that's a grind.

The lack of market battle testing is an interesting one that's rarely picked up on. In a way Bitcoin has had an easy ride - its rise has been surrounded by pathetic interest rates and explosive asset growth. That's a lot of free and stagnant money looking for a home.

This 'Bitcoin as safe haven' is a mirage put around by cultists. It'll be the first thing to go if most people are squeezed.

It definitely has the potential to be a better gold. It's going to take decades if it survives.