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1381  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: May 12, 2015, 12:23:25 AM
I think selling DIY kits would come as a great benefit for newcomers since I personally found that building miners like the nanofuries taught me a lot about soldering and really got me into this bitcoin stuff. Can't wait to see what the product will look like.

While I am NOT sidehack, I would be well and truly surprised if he send out a "kit" of parts that need to be soldered in any way shape or form. As I understand it, the BM1384 ASIC is VERY tricky part to get correctly soldered down. Read up on "Ball Grid Array" for more details. I expect your work will be associated with astuff mostly external to what he supplies (USB hub, some kind of PC, etc).
1382  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 10PHs in 1 day vs 1PHs in 10 days on: May 11, 2015, 10:02:37 PM
So the short summary is:

"In theory there is no difference between 10PH/day or 10x 1PH/day"

"In practice there may be a discernible difference based on a bunch of other factors beside Bitcoin probabilities"
1383  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: May 3rd to May 14th diff thread. OPEN for picks NOW! on: May 11, 2015, 05:48:51 PM
My recollection is that when we got down to 1000 blocks remaining, the contest would close to further picks for this round. Do I have that right Phillip? If so, you might want to adjust the title to reflect that further picks are closed.

I can't recall a time when difficulty has just been "bumping along" at a more or less constant value, but I didn't join the mining party until the summer of 2013. Any others recall such a "calm" period?
1384  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Decentralization of mining is returning ... thoughts on 21 inc secret plans? on: May 10, 2015, 08:21:43 AM
I just can't make any of this discussion mesh with the realities I see from my electric company here in the US (MN in particular). They are working hard to get people to REDUCE their electric usage. I regularly am told that I can get a rebate from the electric company for every CFL or LED light bulb I buy. As I read things here, they are pushing every thing they can in order to avoid building another power plant and get it approved by their various regulatory bodies? How many power plants are required for that 2500 megawatts that was mentioned? Natural Gas or Coal, since Nuclear is essentially dead in the USA.

In general Bitcoin mining is the complete antithesis of what electric companies are doing these days.
1385  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Antminer s3 problems on: May 09, 2015, 07:39:07 PM
So if I change the psu since I do have a REVOLUTION87+ 1000W psu all the problems should go away? I haven't overclocked the miner and all the other settings are default.

That is good PSU based on jonnyguru. But it's not single rail, it's have four rail. Each rail can deliver 30A.
But the connector divided to V2, V3 & V4. Each connector have 2 x 6 pin pcie connector which can connect to one blade only. Lets say one blade use 170watt(14A), then you are wasting 16A on each rail.

Single rail PSU is the best choice.

I don't really understand the "wasting 16A on each rail". The current used  is what the miner requires, not what the PSU can supply, If the 12V load on the rail is say 15A, then that's what it gets. If you are trying to find a way to connect more mining hardware to the one power supply, then it matters. As long as a rail can supply what's need, with some margin, then you should be good to go.

Once the OP finds out if his miner will run for days at a time, without the "2-day stop" issue, then he can figure out what might be better and if he wants to spend the money. Until it's working well, it makes little sense to try and optimize the situation.

One other comment. It became obvious to me that it's usually a good idea to get a better PSU that might absolutely be required. A good PSU will likely be usable on a new generation miner. I now understand that a good PSU is a longer term investment than the actual mining hardware.
1386  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Next consumer model miner on: May 08, 2015, 10:53:42 PM
Do you the FT guys has any concept of what a "reasonable" mining rig looks like these days?

Is my toaster oven now going to be "on" a lot of the time when I am NOT making toast (i.e. about 23.9 hrs/day)?

I generally think of Financial Times as being pretty good, but the general concept makes almost no sense. While this "mining for free" stuff sounds great the reality will almost certainly fall massively short of anything useful for anybody except possibly the ASIC toaster manufacturer selling $300 toaster ovens.

Anything which tries to hide it's electrical consumption is likely to be an utter failure. It's almost an impossibility that the electric company in any US locale will try and promote any such thing. If anything they want to reduce electrical consumption, particularly during peak times, to avoid having to make the needed infrastructure investment in terms of plants and distribution. I can almost buy into Phillip's idea of an "ASIC portable heater", but beyond that there really isn't anything that makes sense. Look at all the promotions for switching lighting to CFL's or LED bulbs. That's intended to REDUCE consumption, not increase it. Here in MN most companies have one form or another of "load shedding" which allows them to turn things off remotely during peak power demand times. For that you get some kind of credit or reduced rate for the specific kind of load they can shed (e.g. Air Conditioning on the hottest days, Irrigation on farms).
1387  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: May 08, 2015, 06:01:55 AM
Is the "nice hardware guy" named tophack maybe?   Smiley

Thanks for your efforts to describe and be transparent about what you are doing, including your less than successful stops along the way. It's quite refreshing.
1388  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Antminer s3 problems on: May 08, 2015, 05:46:35 AM
The S3 has only 12V inputs, the controller (a Beaglebone?) must be powered from that. Does anybody know which 12V connector actually supplies the current for the controller? I expect that the Ethernet lights mentioned require good power to the controller, but I don't know where the "red light" comes from. Also the controller?
1389  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Sfards: SF3301 sample chip is available [Updated 04/05/15] on: May 08, 2015, 05:21:28 AM
While I can see some small advantages to a large and diverse mining base, it doesn't seem to be REQUIRED by any stretch of the imagination. Why would 10,000 30TH miners be better than 30 10PH mining farms for an aggregate of 300 PH let's say of hashrate? What's the threshold for "decentralized" and why must Bitcoin be decentralized to survive? It seems to me that in 50 years, long after I care, we'll want the most efficient "mining" (really transaction processing) setup to get by on the slender fees provided by transactions and the fraction of a new BTC in every block.

I understand the visceral reaction to a few large mining farms, but I haven't seen a compelling argument beyond the 51% attack scenario. It feels like the desire for a "miner in every home" is more driven by nostalgia of a few years ago than anything else.
1390  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: May 3rd to May 14th diff thread. OPEN for picks NOW! on: May 08, 2015, 04:49:25 AM
Please put me down for +2.51 to +2.75

While positive, I don't think this is much more than variance/luck.
1391  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Antminer s3 problems on: May 08, 2015, 01:52:50 AM
At a gross level it sounds like a thermal/temperature issue, though a "cooling off" time of days seems excessive. I assume it's possible to check S3 temps, but I've never owned one. The other possibility could a thermal issue with the power supply. What kind of PSU?

Have your tried a different pool?
1392  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Sfards: SF3301 sample chip is available [Updated 04/05/15] on: May 08, 2015, 01:48:49 AM
We clearly don't need a winner. I wonder though if the price of Bitcoin won't keep ALL the ASIC vendors in check. By that I mean a  low BTC/USD price keeps them from trying to kill each other. A high BTC price may encourage a "winner take all" strategy, which may not benefit any miner long term (past a couple of difficulty adjustments).

A little competition is probably good, but not a WAR
1393  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S2 upgrade kit? EDIT: New info 3/11 on: May 08, 2015, 12:47:48 AM
I think the guy that is "pulling BTC price lower" is named Adam Smith.

Look him up on Google....  Smiley
1394  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: On the Clothing of Emperors: A Rant about 21.co and the Future of Bitcoin Mining on: May 07, 2015, 10:49:23 PM

Combine it with an electric hot water heater and what have you got  a :

1)hot water heater
2) a router------like OgNasty mentions_with Tor or without it.
3) a water leaking alarm system  so that if you spring a leak you auto shut the water to the home. and sending your cell phone a text.
 Kind of merging OgNasty's Idea with mine

That would have buyers.   and since we use hot water every day all the mining is on free power.  and has anyone ever had a leaking pipe in their home.

This would sell.

Downside is about 10% of hot water tanks are electric  still this is a lot of customers.

With all due respect, I think it's silly to merge a miner/router/water-heater into a single entity. Consider:

- Water heaters don't actually run full tilt in terms of their power draw. The better the water heater, the less often it actually draws power. It can't run full power, lest the pressure relief valve will pop. The mining hardware will have to be very high power to meet hot water demands, and then cycle down and up. At 4AM local time it will essentially be idle.

- The time scales on equipment turnover don't mesh at all. My current water heater was installed 5 YEARS before I ever heard of Bitcoin. Let's assume I installed this massively priced gadget tomorrow. One year from now the mining function will be a way overpriced heating element that if it needed to be replaced, would be silly compared to a $40 heating element.

- My current water heater  can really only fit in one place in my house. Not surprisingly, I have no networking infrastructure anywhere near it, nor would I be interested in running Ethernet and cable to my water heater, and hope the WiFi works well from the utility room.

- When any aspect of this combined gadget fails, what do you do?

I completely understand the desire to capitalize on the waste heat from a miner. It needs to be some kind of "add on" not a replacement for the water hear.

Oh, and I am one of those Natural Gas for household heat and hot water, so I am not a customer.
1395  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Do you think mining will be profitable again ? on: May 06, 2015, 07:45:32 PM
they can't stop and pause, or the network will be vulnerabile, not to mention they will lose huge amount of money, even for a tiny "pause"

the only way for a casual miner to return in the mining scene and take profit, is to be ready when the price skyrocket, taking advantages of the diff retarget time

maybe this is another reason why satoshi set the diff retarget not so low

I actually think we have seen a "pause" in the last few months. Not an actual stoppage of mining, but rather a pause in the crazy pace of hashrate expansion. The introduction rate of new mining hardware has slowed. It's not clear if the "Arms Race: mentality is just a temporary hold, or a long term trend.

When you think about it, what should a big farm do when they the option to buy a newer and more efficient miner? Should they just replace the gear with an equivalent number of Watts (more or less), and enjoy the increased hash rate? Or perhaps they should consider replacing their gear on a "Gigahash equivalent" basis and enjoy a lower electric bill. The downside to "More Gigahash same power" plan is that a couple of weeks later the difficulty adjustment may well dissipate a great deal of their gain they expected to acquire. If you kinda look at the whole Bitcoin mining universe, it would likely make more sense to reduce the total electric bill, and not push up the difficulty.

That's kind of a simplistic view, and not every miner will follow that plan, but it's becoming more obvious to me that efficiency is starting to become King, and in many cases not just who's got more hash.
1396  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Is btc price sustainable with growing downward selling pressure of energy use? on: May 06, 2015, 07:32:50 PM
If the bitcoin is halved every 4 years, shouldnt we buying regadless then.

Due to limited supply, thats an instant value increase forming it as a commodity and can just worst case scenario represent a certain amount of gold. And have like a bank to utilized the units of supply instead of moving the physical gold around they assigned by units of bitcoin.

Of course, eventually they would have 1 sold bitcoin of some metrics table with higher bar counts to 1 bitcoin.

The fact that the block reward is cut in half does nothing to the existing coins. Think of it as a reduction in the rate the dolar bill notes are printed. There are a wide variety of opinions (speculation) as to what will happen at the next halving. My understanding is that we have only had one previous halving, and it's difficult to draw any conclusions from that experience. I would argue that entire Bitcoin mining infrastructure is massively different than back in 2012, and any conclusions would be highly suspect. I also expect that there will be a great deal of "adjustment" that happens within farms and such as the time draws near. I have no idea how that will affect Bitcoin price though.
1397  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Antminer Comparison S1,2,3,4,5 on: May 06, 2015, 07:24:53 PM
OP obviously must have a cost/KWH in mind for electricity. You might be able to figure out what he used based on the "Cost per Month" figure in the table.
1398  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin value in the next future 50 years- rubbish or global currency? on: May 06, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
I expect that Bitcoin will be a niche currency in 50 years. It won't have replaced any existing large scale currencies, nor will it have evaporated.
1399  Economy / Economics / Re: Is bitcoin dead? on: May 05, 2015, 10:41:05 PM
I believe that BitCoin will make a comeback once people in India start to learn about it. Many of the super rich upper class Indians do not know about India and tax evasion is very common in India. The government in India is starting to crack down on some of the methods which might cause BitCoin to become more popular

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/in-india-tax-evasion-is-a-national-sport-07282011.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/india-crackdown-on-tax-evasion-30701768.html

BitCoin is a lot easier to hide than fiat

It seems unlikely to me that Bitcoin's long term future is secured by being a safe haven haven for tax evasion. Won't you have to un-hide some of it if you want to purchase something?
1400  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin as a Retirement Account on: May 05, 2015, 10:37:07 PM
I want to put the quote:

"I am sure that bitcoin will going up" (2015)

right next to a previous:

"Housing prices will always go up" (2007)
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