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141  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you feel shameful for being a gambler? on: December 05, 2017, 08:57:25 AM
Some are making through gambling and some are making through trading. You are making money because some where some are loosing money. As gambler we should not feel any shy for making money through gambling.
If that is the case then we should be proud, but the reality is most of the gamblers are losing money that is why we are ask if we are shameful or not. The answer is very simple, it depends on your purpose, if you are gambling for fun then definitely you understand that losing is the amount of money you spend to get the entertainment, and if you are having fun then there is nothing to be ashamed of.

I will be very embarrassed and my family will be very disappointed with me because in my surroundings, gambling is something that is forbidden and considered a sin. Gambling is a futile act and is included in the category of money-wasting or dissipation, since gambling may be classed as forbidden or sinful. But in some circumstances or situations, gambling may not be something embarrassing or forbidden. Like for example when you gamble with family, we will bet if there is a gamble lose we will not pay money, but our face smeared with flour. Right ?
142  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does experience matter in gambling? on: December 05, 2017, 08:54:05 AM
yes it does because through experienced you've got techniques on how to play well on the game. on the otherhand dice game does not need too much technique because what you need more on that game is luck.
Experience matters everywhere. It might not help the gambler to win every game but if he is playing dice or slots, he will definitely get control over his emotions with time and play in limits afterwards.   He will learn the true Nature of gambling with time. However A poker player can polish his skills with time. Similarly, sport bets demand good understanding of a particular sport for winning.

The experience is useless if you play gambling that depends on luck. The experience is also useless when you play gambling just for fun, such as playing gambling with family and if you lose your face must be smeared flour. But experience will be useful if you like to play gambling for profit. For example in conditions like when you gamble in a casino, suddenly there are suspicious players who will play cheats, you must be vigilant and should be able to take action. Or when a condition where you want to profit from gambling games that need strategy.
143  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to control greed on gambling? on: December 03, 2017, 10:21:45 PM
This is a very good question. I'm pretty sure, many use different strategies for this. My strategy is to leave home with a budget, leave knowing  how much I am planning to spend. So if I leave home planning to spend $500. Whether I am losing or winning, if I reach that limit, I pack my bags and leave. The same applies to winning, I have an amount I decide at home hoping to win a certain amount. IG I'm winning, and reach that cap. I leave... That's how I control my greed.
That is the best thing to do but not many gamblers are able to discipline themselves enough to follow such strict principles and so they end up on the loosing side most of the time. To succeed with all these principles in gambling i suggest one has  to learn how to control himself and know when to start or stop.

Yes, that is the best way. Although simple and look easy, but it is something that should be done by all gamblers around the world. I also have one important tips for you who like to play gambling. If you play gambling today, say you bet $ 100 in one game, then you have $ 1000 in your pocket right now. You play that $ 100 every time you play. Whatever your game, never raise your bet and keep $ 100. That's so if you lose, you do not lose more than $ 100. And if $ 1000 is up, you can stop gambling whatever happens either lost or won.
144  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin gambling is legal? on: December 03, 2017, 10:18:26 PM
Legal cases in online gambling only lead to a particular person's report, or the government gets an unusual transaction account account from a suspected person, so in fact this is not really legal gambling for some countries especially developed countries, do not compare gambling especially Crypto gambling with religion because the business is only for people who want to open their minds by using positive economic laws in the free market.
And these days, except your country makes bitcoin illegal, you can hardly get screwed since you can just make use of bitcoin gambling sites and get your winnings in your wallet. Bitcoin gambling can only be illegal if it is declared by the country of the player as illegal but does that really stop anyone from continuing when you can easily stay anonymous without the government breathing down on your neck ? No!

Gambling Bitcoin and ordinary gambling are just the same things I think. It's just that if ordinary gambling uses ordinary currency, then Bitcoin gambling will use cryptocurrency as a tool for transactions. With cryptocurrency, I think people would prefer Bitcoin gambling instead of ordinary gambling. People will be easier to play gambling online and in secret without known to many people, there are some people who like that. With cryptocurrency, transactions and money transfers become encrypted and confidential. It is difficult for people to track and know gambling players or gambling service providers.
145  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do you even gamble? on: December 03, 2017, 10:15:58 PM
I think I have already addressed my concerns on the previous thread. But just to reiterate, people come from different walks of life. There are those who gamble because they have nothing else worthwhile to do, because they have too much money that they do not know what to do with it, because they have been influenced by friends, because they want to impress their peers, because they want to multiply their money in the littlest amount of time to help sustain their families, because their gut feel tells them so, or just that they are so in love with the idea of gambling. Whatever their reasons are, know that there are reasons that will definitely blow your mind. They are definitely uniquely packaged thereby realizing how much people can sometimes bet on their lives.

There are people who gamble just for fun, people are usually rich people who have a lot of money. There are people who gamble for money and profit, people like that are people who dream of wanting to be rich in a short time. If I can gamble, I'll use it to make a lot of money and profit a lot. But I will not gamble forever, I will make business capital to look for other businesses and not rely on gambling. Gambling is something that is uncertain and illegal in many countries, including my country. So I guess it's better to find another job or business that can make my parents and family happy.
146  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can maths help you win in gambling ? on: December 03, 2017, 10:13:23 PM
Honestly if we are going to say math will help then this is as good as saying gambling is for intellects which isn't true, math might give you the edge but won't guarantee you that you will register more wins than the guy not applying math to play because gambling is a game of luck...the earlier we accept this fact the safer we are from losing more money.

For some people, they think poker needs some special mathematical formulas to manipulate the existing system. But it can not be done alone and need a genius to do it. That means, not everyone can win gambling poker and it needs someone with special abilities. But that's just the theory from me, I never experienced or saw directly. Maybe for some gambling it does need a mathematical formula, but I guess that's almost impossible to do. If you want to know, you have to learn and memorize things. But rather than memorizing the way to play gambling, why not learn another business or another job that is more comfortable, safe, and risk free?
147  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Problem Gamblers here who are in Debt ? on: December 03, 2017, 10:10:31 PM
The person who is gambling with loaned amount indeed indicates that they are an addictive gambler. I personally don't think they will be successful in their gamble since they carry a big responsibility that affects their greediness and emotion so that they will fail and get a more significant problem.
Not also addictive gambler but also problem gambler. Losing on gambling is really bad and with debt on it will make it worst. The person can easily go suicide if this happened, because they have nothing left. The sad is there are many people like this, using debt on gambling and hope they can win to payback the debt.

If you're already in debt because of gambling addiction, then you're in poor condition and have no money. Usually people who are addicted to gambling are people who have a lot of money or just a rich person who can enjoy gambling. But if you're already in debt, that means you have to realize that gambling is not going to make your debts get paid off. Gambling will only exacerbate your debt, and you have to find a real job that can pay off your debt. Stop gambling, and relieve all your mistakes in the past, now is the time for you to be realistic and make your family happy.
148  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Large Investment into Ethereum? on: December 03, 2017, 05:46:46 AM
I agree with the OP completely. Ethereum is a good investment to pour money into. I learned about it after I learned about Bitcoin and the first thing I asked myself was why the hell is Ethereum valued less than Bitcoin when it does so much more?

Ethereum is good for investment, there are also other good cryptocurrency or Altcoin also for investment that is Litecoin. Bitcoin is the best in terms of price, development, and popularity. But we should not underestimate or underestimate the price development of various Altcoin. Maybe Altcoin will follow in the footsteps of Bitcoin whose price has increased some years ago. And maybe, in the next 2 to 3 years, the profit gained from Altcoin can be greater than Bitcoin if we choose the right investment. If we look, there are already some Campaigns that pay us with Ethereum. Maybe they start to see the potential that is on Ethereum. We can only hope there will be more Campaigns that pay us with Ethereum.
149  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What makes a altcoin valuable on: December 03, 2017, 05:38:18 AM
I'm developing an altcoin that is based on social sharing. What foundational technologies are going to make it the most valuable? What makes an altcoin valuable? I'm wondering if it is just how much people hear about it? Thoughts?
I believe that the altcoins market offers so many options these days, that it is difficult to offer something truly novel that is not already being offered by another altcoin: greater speed, economic transactions, intelligent contracts, profitable mining, etc., etc. So now I see that many new altcoins are putting a special emphasis on advertising to present a highly attractive and convenient product, although deep down it offers nothing new. And an example of this is DeepOnion.

Altcoin is valuable because I think Altcoin will follow Bitcoin's footstep someday. I always look at Altcoin as a backup plan of Bitcoin investments. If we have a lot of money, we should invest into Altcoin, not just Bitcoin. That's to keep us in case Bitcoin gets into trouble, we still have Altcoin. Altcoin give us hope that when the famous coin has a problem, we still have hope because the new Altcoin always appear. We can generate a lot of profit while still able. We do not have to buy all Altcoin, but we can collect the most suitable Altcoin for us to invest.
150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICO is the best way to invest? on: December 03, 2017, 05:33:53 AM
No! I dont think that investing in ICO is the best way to invest. The best way is investing in Bitcoin, but this way need a big budget. You can choose invest in ICO, this is the most risky.
It is mean the ICOs are best way to invest for the people who has low budget although investment into the ICOs are high risk losing money but is not the risk is part of investment? Although we invest into the bitcoin doesn't mean it is free risk losing the values of investment due to there are no people who guarantee the price of bitcoin will be always going up every time, the problem is not come from the ICOS but it is come from us, how to choose the best ICOs and management of money before doing investing into the ICOs, it is more important to be learned by us.

Yes you're right. I guess that depends on everyone's opinion. But I also have the same opinion as you. In my opinion, cryptocurrency investment always has risks. If we do not want risky investments, we must invest into gold and silver. Or we can also buy houses and land, but we must choose a suitable location so that the price is high. But investing in all that money needs a lot and not everyone is able to do it. Invest into cryptocurrency is a solution for the middle class for those who want to invest. Because we can invest starting from any number. I'm not saying that ICO is the best investment, but I'm not saying that Bitcoin is the best investment. I just prefer Bitcoin rather than ICO.
151  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Investing in ICO, still promising? on: December 03, 2017, 05:26:38 AM
Men you keep deviating from the topic 'is bat worth investing' The reply is heck tono.Let me help you with you wallet troubles because bat was as well thoughtless e  list out an ann round these components.Don't buy.There, no need for pocket book assist you to foolish investards.If you're on this line requesting tech support ask yourself why this very rich team cant set up a totally free line right here. It's because this project is a cash grab, plain and simple.toht

I have never actually invested in ICO and have never been interested in investing in any ICO. I'm lazy to learn and too scared to join ICO. I'd rather invest into something definite and promising like Bitcoin and other investments. There is a scam or fraud ICO, there is also a legit ICO. So if you want to invest into ICO you have to be really careful and do some research. You can see testimonials from other people who already use ICO services or have invested into the ICO. You can ask in this forum, in online forums in your country, and in facebook group discuss about this in your country. I think that's the most powerful way.
152  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why are so many people against bitcoin? on: December 02, 2017, 09:41:25 AM
Thanks to the media, more people are learning about bitcoin every day. But many consider it to be the usual fashion trend and do not take it seriously, and do not think about its potential and its capabilities.

Maybe what you mean is a government that hates Bitcoin. There are various countries that have banned Bitcoin because they think they can not profit from Bitcoin. Yet if the state learns correctly, the state can also get profit from Bitcoin. If we do a transaction with Bitcoin, we do not have to pay taxes. If we keep Bitcoin, we do not keep it in the bank and the country feels they can not profit from it. If you ask individually, of course, many individuals feel that they benefit from Bitcoin. Bitcoin has boosted the economy of many people, and make many family life prosperous.
153  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to do with the people who don't like Bitcoin? on: December 02, 2017, 09:31:53 AM
There is no reason to resist everything that brings a good profit. And the only thing that hinders to understand the good benifits from one certain things is being lack of understanding. And I think  that is the very reason why many don't like bitcoin.

The main reason why people do not like Bitcoin is because they do not want to know and are not interested in Bitcoin at the beginning. There are also some people who do not like the technology, computers, and the Internet because they think it is unprofitable and useless. Usually such a person would ask, "What is your job?", Then you will answer "I work online", then the person asks again "Oh, that's it, how much do you earn? That must be little", and then you answer "I make xx dollar per month", and that person will shocked "How do you do that ?" When you give that answer, people will be amazed and get interested because your income is a lot.
154  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Indonesian Government Banned Bitcoin on: December 02, 2017, 09:17:42 AM
Just one of their devious methods just to avoid having people's freedom in moving their money because they can't find a way to manipulate money in the bitcoin which is why they are banning because if they can't control something then its useless for some corrupt officials. In anyways mate I think it is not yet official so continue doing what your doing and cash out now while you can.

I'm Indonesian, and I'm a little bit anxious about this. But if you think back, people can always find ways to access and manipulate the government's boundaries. For example, such as porn sites, gambling sites, and various other sites that are considered dangerous and disturbing for the government. Such sites are blocked, but the fact is, nothing can really be blocked. And if I look at the comments of friends here, I think we can still take profit from Bitcoin and sell Bitcoin. We can sell Bitcoin to our fellow Indonesians, but we can also sell Bitcoin to foreign people and convert our Bitcoin into dollars. After the dollar, we sell our dollars and we can make money.
155  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Use Social Media for Bitcoin on: December 02, 2017, 09:14:20 AM
Using social media to introduce bitcoin to other people is a good idea. But if there are not open to new ideas and just want to earn and earn but not to learn, then they have zero chance to thrive in this world.
Social media will be a great tool for us to promote bitcoin and expect some returns by attracting more people to get into bitcoin. We can also use the social media to promote our self understandings about the different things. Since the people have a lot of social media account and a lot of or almost all the people in the world are now connected through social media then it will be a great tool to make things happen for us.

Actually Bitcoin is well known everywhere without being promoted in social media. But formerly Bitcoin is much promoted in social media because many people discuss about Bitcoin in social media. People will more easily discuss in facebook group today and many people so understand to make money through Bitcoin. Not only Bitcoin alone, many people make money through the internet and social media. Social media has become an important part of our lives in my opinion. From start selling online, social issues, politics, jobs, personal issues and much more.
156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: All coins are now dying, what do you think? on: December 01, 2017, 11:04:43 AM
The entire market is in the red. Everyone has lost money. What do you think?
Coins are maybe decrease but it doesn't mean that the coin are dying, that's normal to get a red in the market, coins are not always increase we need to face the reality that anytime the coin we hold can be lost the value but im sure this is not the end, any coin can increase again.

I do not think all Altcoin's dead. I guess you're just going to say about the less-famous or less promising Altcoin like the new cryptocurrency promoted by ICOs. To me, Altcoin like Ethereum, Litecoin, Dash, and Zcash, will not just disappear. They will last at least 2 to 3 years and they will give a lot of profit for many people. Some say that Altcoin potentially make profit as much as 100%, 300%, even up to 1000 fold. When compared with Bitcoin, it was not much different a few years ago. Maybe Altcoin will repeat Bitcoin's success. Although not as good as Bitcoin.
157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I lost 80% of my bitcoins in alts, What can I do now?! on: December 01, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
I would say that you should not be very greedy when it comes to this world why because if you are greedy enough you will lose a lot of your earning do not set you minded yo get those money back because in that why you set yourself into greedy mode i would say that keep calm and return those bitcoin slowly but surely in this way you will return those bitcoin.

First of all I want to ask you, what did you lose some of your Bitcoin? Is it because you made your Bitcoin so Altcoin, then you sold Altcoin yours? If you've sold your Altcoin, then there's nothing you can do about it. But if your Altcoin is still there, you can use it for trading to restore your Bitcoin or at least reduce your losses. You just sell your Altcoin to reduce losses. But if you feel that your Altcoin price can go up, you can keep your Altcoin for a while. That's why I never invested in Altcoin, I just invested in the famous Altcoin such as : Ethereum and Litecoin.
158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoins that might survive in the future? on: December 01, 2017, 10:49:39 AM
Ethereum is the most promising technology investment out there. It's quickly proving to be one of the most profitable investments of all time. Ethereum blockchain is the best network to support any business or program. Its ability to solve problems with accuracy and precision has no rival. Bank of America is the first financial institution to work with the Ethereum blockchain. The company premiered an Ethereum-based application that will help customers secure their transactions.

Everything you say about Ethereum is amazing and I'm getting more and more convinced that Ethereum will be a success in the future. But before I say my opinion, I want to ask the OP first. What is the meaning of the "future" you are asking? Is it 10 years away? What is 3 years away? If I ask about the future of Altcoin in 10 years, then I honestly do not know because it is so far away and very difficult to predict it. But if you ask about the next 3 years, maybe I can answer. Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Litecoin are my favorite currencies and will remain for the next 3 years. 3 currency is enough to make me have a lot of profit in 3 years.
159  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: job and trading together.. on: November 30, 2017, 10:12:06 AM
Job can give you insurance that trading couldn't have, if you want to invest to double your profit, I would like to promote the campaign that I am participating eventually VLB.IO, just read and review their white paper carefully, always decide and take a risk before clicking Thanks.
There are a lot of ICOs to consider but let me check your recommendation, actually I don't invest directly in ICO especially when the amount raised is not quite big enough because most of the ICOs who raise with less than $10 million are selling below ICO price. That is just my observation, do correct me if you contradict on my statement.

That's great because lots of people do trading to start their success story. They are successful and earn lots of money from trading. Although many are unsure about stock trading, but trading cryptocurrency is a solution and hope for us to improve our economy. It is important for us to have more than one job. That's so we have more than one source of income and we have side jobs. If our work is having problems, we still have other jobs. So we will not be afraid of being fired and we will always be happy all the time! ha ha ha.
160  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do people actually buy coins with real life money? on: November 30, 2017, 10:09:21 AM
Yes of course like me if i had a chance way back ill buy bitcoin from my money in my pocket , one of the main reason is that bitcoin is a good investment if you can imagine if you invest a little money way back 2011 you will be going to earn x20 plus of your initial investment.

Of course people will buy with real money, hahaha. The rich will not hesitate to buy cryptocurrency. But the poor and the middle class may be hesitant to buy cryptocurrency and prefer to work collecting cryptocurrency. There are various easy jobs to get cryptocurrency, let's call it Bitcoin. I myself come from a simple family and I always collect Bitcoin. I invested in Bitcoin in order to make my family happy and make my family life prosperous. I'm going to save Bitcoin for a long time, and I'll sell Bitcoin when the price has jumped dramatically.
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