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141  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin.org now claiming to be "offical" site on: October 20, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
"Official site offering documentation, forums and the open source client software which permits to send and receive bitcoins."  - Site Description showing up on Google.

"Bitcoin.org is not an official website. Just like nobody owns the email technology, nobody owns the Bitcoin network. As such, nobody can speak with authority in the name of Bitcoin."
on page https://bitcoin.org/en/about-us

Most users will see the description that appears in Google and will never read the disclaimer on the other page.
142  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: 2^256 Deep Space Vagabond on: October 17, 2014, 01:40:54 AM
TL/DR

If you can clean it up into a short list of direct questions i can reply, but i am not reading through that entire mess to find the questions.

Thank you.

Cryptography is a complex subject, and cannot always be discussed in 5-word sentences (I even bolded the parts that actually needed addressing). I will try, but you may not like the results.

1. You claim nearly all CSPRNG is flawed. Then, as a workaround, you recommend vanitygen, which uses a.... CSPRNG (a fairly common one, OpenSSL). Can you explain the difference?

2. Your dartboard scheme for creating entropy is slow and biased, the sort of thing no cryptographer would ever come up with. Why did you?

3. You claim that "paperwallets" are superior because they use entropy from a mouse. You cite a bunch of wallet clients you claim to have found "through heavy testing" to be faulty, and yet every one that you cited also uses real-world entropy, just like "paperwallets". Armory, in particular, uses mouse input plus several other sources of real-world entropy. How could a cryptography expert miss this fact?

4. You've made extraordinary claims. If you are unwilling or unable to provide extraordinary proof (which is understandable for a work-in-progress), you will likely be ridiculed unless you can at least provide extraordinary professional credentials for your "few dozen mathematicians, statisticians, and even a half dozen cryptographers with over 45 years combined education." Why have you done neither?

Is that better?

Thank you chris, that is much better

1: With vanitygen you add your own entropy by selecting an address with a 1XXXXXXX prefix, there is nothing random about it short of what comes after 1XXXXXX by selecting XXXXXXX you move yourself out of the over used "random" space

2: I wont argue this, instead i issue a challange, 1, Get drunk, i mean tipsy drunk. 2, attach 5 note cards (3X5) to the wall. 3, stand back 20-25 feet from them. 4, try and hit one, then try and hit the same one again. Smiley    (in short, its fun, and more random than you will get from most other sources)

3: I really dont want to get too much into this one, If your making this claim, i assume you have looked through the entire source code for armory before (prior to their latest 2 releases) so there really is no need for discussion here.

4: Right, and wrong at the same time. We are not making claims nor trying to convince anyone of anything, that would be futile around here to say the least, this is a community filled with sheeple, trolls, and the under educated with a few bright minds mixed in to try and balance it out. We knew this coming in. Instead, we are releasing some of the software we have developed to allow others to do it themselves. As more participate, the "thefts" (hopefully will be returned to their rightful owners upon proving a point) will begin to happen more often, and sooner or later someone will hit something BIG or nail someone of importance and when they speak up, then there will be nothing left to discuss.

 


This is worthless, you never give reasonable answers.
143  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Once again, what about the scalability issue? on: October 16, 2014, 12:44:49 PM
Blockchain size has crossed 10000 MB mark. I think it's time to close this thread until we see 20000 MB...

Sorry for bad timing, I missed the moment when the blockchain was 20000 MB. It's larger than 22000 MB now, could anyone point me to a solution of the problem (if it's implemented)?

Is this a joke or are you serious? Honestly you should try and keep up on the news or searching for an answer.


:S This sounds like it could be a massive show stopper.

maybe searching the forum and seeing that there is a plan of action means the show will continue
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=816298.0
http://www.coindesk.com/gavin-andresen-bitcoin-hard-fork/


The average person can get bandwidth of 30 mpbs download and 5 mpbs upload for less than 45 dollars per month in some areas of the U.S.

Nodes will be fine as storage becomes cheaper paired with cheaper technology and cheaper and cheaper internet. Pretty soon phone carriers will be going towards 5G as the next thing then 6G and 7 G and whatever. I used to pay 87.99 a month for my 30 mpbs internet and now its a lot cheaper. I also used to pay 79.99 for 15 mbps internet. There is no problem and you need to stop making things up. Point us to an actual problem if you are so convinced there is one. The potential problems you point out are not problems and never were, you just got a bunch of idiots commenting on it because they don't know any better.


/thread

In addition to that these types of issue should be put into a context of the overall risk analysis.  Just pulling out one issue and saying "something should be done" is not the way to manage risks.  A first cut at such a report is found at https://bitcoinfoundation.org/static/2014/04/Bitcoin-Risk-Management-Study-Spring-2014.pdf

I think they left out some risks of the Bitcoin Foundation itself but it is a start.
144  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Newsweek could get sued for its dubious Bitcoin scoop | VOX Report on: October 15, 2014, 02:23:29 PM


That's arbitrary. If he is Satoshi, then yes it's newsworthy. But if such assumption was based only on questionable evidence (name-match, the fact he didn't trust government too much etc) then the court may decide it was not newsworthy and that they violated his privacy.


it is not "arbitrary" but it is open to some interpretation.  They could have a judge decide but they could have a jury decide rather than the courts.  In any case due to the number of news stories and discussions I just think it is a play by the lawyers to get some cash and the claim will go nowhere.
145  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Newsweek could get sued for its dubious Bitcoin scoop | VOX Report on: October 15, 2014, 09:22:10 AM
What they posted was newsworthy.

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/publication-private-facts

This sounds to be like the lawyers want to see if they can collect money from donators to launch a suit.  You have to be careful with these lawyers.  One ambulance chaser, Derek Newman, used to run around claiming to be a first amendment advocate
http://www.firstamendmentminute.com/

Then he decided it was a good idea to take a case where an actress sued a web site that revealed her true age:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/imdb-wins-lawsuit-actress-age-437828
146  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why There Should Be A Bitcoin Central Bank on: October 14, 2014, 08:58:56 PM
The elimination of a central bank is one of the key factors in the creation and the beauty of BTC.   A central bank would just be to apply old school banking procedures to crypto-currencies.   Not to mention a central bank would quickly become the target of more cyber attacks than probably anything on the planet.

agreed +1

You mean like Mt. Gox, Bitfloor, myBitcoin, ...?  Looks like Bitcoin didn't solve the problems.   
147  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: 2^256 Deep Space Vagabond on: October 14, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
TL/DR

If you can clean it up into a short list of direct questions i can reply, but i am not reading through that entire mess to find the questions.

Thank you.

Cryptography is a complex subject, and cannot always be discussed in 5-word sentences (I even bolded the parts that actually needed addressing). I will try, but you may not like the results.

1. You claim nearly all CSPRNG is flawed. Then, as a workaround, you recommend vanitygen, which uses a.... CSPRNG (a fairly common one, OpenSSL). Can you explain the difference?

2. Your dartboard scheme for creating entropy is slow and biased, the sort of thing no cryptographer would ever come up with. Why did you?

3. You claim that "paperwallets" are superior because they use entropy from a mouse. You cite a bunch of wallet clients you claim to have found "through heavy testing" to be faulty, and yet every one that you cited also uses real-world entropy, just like "paperwallets". Armory, in particular, uses mouse input plus several other sources of real-world entropy. How could a cryptography expert miss this fact?

4. You've made extraordinary claims. If you are unwilling or unable to provide extraordinary proof (which is understandable for a work-in-progress), you will likely be ridiculed unless you can at least provide extraordinary professional credentials for your "few dozen mathematicians, statisticians, and even a half dozen cryptographers with over 45 years combined education." Why have you done neither?

Is that better?

5.  You had said using hardware RNG's would only solve part of the problem.  Why?
148  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why There Should Be A Bitcoin Central Bank on: October 14, 2014, 05:48:18 PM
I run the Bitcoin Central Bank:

http://BitcoinCentralBank.com

if you have any questions let me know.
149  Other / Meta / Re: @mods - coming back after a 7 days block. afraid to post now. asking for advice on: October 14, 2014, 05:35:49 PM
make some alterations to your posting style if you plan to continue advertising in your posts.


So what you are saying is that the staff is reviewing advertising very closely but the objections/bans/punishments only come out for those that do not pay to advertise?  If you pay for ads then the staff argues that they should not check on the advertisers and it is not their responsibility?  Interesting system.

I don't care about ads themselves, I care about the spam generated by it. 



Running questionable ads generates many postings complaining about it. 
150  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Newsweek could get sued for its dubious Bitcoin scoop | VOX Report on: October 14, 2014, 02:03:21 PM
Is this serious?  What exactly did newsweek do wrong?  Everything they have is public information anyway.  Can't possibly be a lawsuit, otherwise criminals could always sue the news, am I right?

Dorian is not (was not) a public person. They published his name, photos, full details based on the incorrect assumption that he is the creator of bitcoin.

The question is did they have a reasonable information to violate his (and his family) privacy. Not to mention they might have put his safety on the risk, as the real Satoshi allegedly owns a huge amount of bitcoins.


Sounds like a bit of a slippery slope. 
151  Other / Meta / Re: @mods - coming back after a 7 days block. afraid to post now. asking for advice on: October 14, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
make some alterations to your posting style if you plan to continue advertising in your posts.


So what you are saying is that the staff is reviewing advertising very closely but the objections/bans/punishments only come out for those that do not pay to advertise?  If you pay for ads then the staff argues that they should not check on the advertisers and it is not their responsibility?  Interesting system.
152  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proposing new feature in Bitcoin protocol to reduce the number of thefts on: October 14, 2014, 12:21:07 PM
So, we would like to propose this feature to be added to Bitcoin protocol:

A "Time Lock" command for Bitcoin addresses.
Are you aware that Bitcoin addresses do not exist on the blockchain or in the protocol?

And that "addresses" are not spent, "outputs" are.

And that transactions don't have timestamps?

And that the timestamp on a block is unreliable as an indication of current real-world calendar time?

And that the change you are proposing would require so much modification to the way the protocol works that it would likely destroy the consensus system and the fungible nature of bitcoins?


The Bitcoin addresses are not in the blockchain directly but it is easy to calculate the addresses from Blockchain data so that seems to be a non-issue.  Also, I thought the timestamps on the blocks that contain confirmed transactions was a good estimate of the time.  I thought blocks won't propagate unless they are within a couple of hours of the average time of other blocks that were recently published.  I also thought this capability already exists as part of P2SH.  This sounds like a variation of the "dead man's switch."  I thought these types of transactions are possible today as long as you can a miner to mine that type of transaction.
153  Other / Meta / Re: BITCOINTALK STAFF QUIETLY BANS PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THEM on: October 13, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
Hyperbolic reply.  You take reasonable steps to prevent it such as deleting threads with the same effort that is used to delete what is considered spam or off-topic.  Then you warn people that accounts can be sold if it is a problem, you don't publically support account selling.  That make this site (and Bitcoin) look ridiculous and irresponsible and possibly even create a legal liability.  That is why you don't see this at most other forums.

The reason you dont see account selling at other forums, is because their demographic is different. This isn't the hello kitty fansite forum. We cater to the bitcoin community, all of which knows basic anonymity measures and know how to bypass any measures that we could possibly put in place. Why create laws if we can't enforce them, it just makes us look like jackasses.


More hyperbole.  You either have a hello Kitty forum or you have a Bitcoin forum.  You are right about the demographics part, most other forums are run by responsible adults and this one is run by dumb kids and delusional people.
they clearly know what they are doing though, so perhaps they are not dumb or delusional at all.  Grin

it is called being an idiot-savant.
154  Bitcoin / Project Development / [Bounty]Programmer Needed for Web-Based DNS Tools on: October 13, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
I need a programmer that can port my web site from Windows to Linux and add IPv6 functionality to the current scripts. It is the basic network functions, trace route, ping, whois, DNS records. etc. See http://network-tools.com.
155  Other / Meta / Re: BITCOINTALK STAFF QUIETLY BANS PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THEM on: October 12, 2014, 09:43:55 PM
Hyperbolic reply.  You take reasonable steps to prevent it such as deleting threads with the same effort that is used to delete what is considered spam or off-topic.  Then you warn people that accounts can be sold if it is a problem, you don't publically support account selling.  That make this site (and Bitcoin) look ridiculous and irresponsible and possibly even create a legal liability.  That is why you don't see this at most other forums.

The reason you dont see account selling at other forums, is because their demographic is different. This isn't the hello kitty fansite forum. We cater to the bitcoin community, all of which knows basic anonymity measures and know how to bypass any measures that we could possibly put in place. Why create laws if we can't enforce them, it just makes us look like jackasses.


More hyperbole.  You either have a hello Kitty forum or you have a Bitcoin forum.  You are right about the demographics part, most other forums are run by responsible adults and this one is run by dumb kids and delusional people.
156  Other / Meta / Re: BITCOINTALK STAFF QUIETLY BANS PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THEM on: October 12, 2014, 08:09:15 PM
Well, to address a couple points here, first off, banning account selling is something that the Bitcointalk staff is not able to do. We can ban content (the example kiddy porn was used) because that is posted here, and we can delete the post and ban the poster. If you make 50 accounts on different tor nodes and then make a contact via pm or skype to sell the accounts, how exactly do you expect that we can stop that without spying through your pms and hacking your skype? By publicly allowing account selling, its not a surprise to anyone, so everyone has a bit of suspicion in them when dealing with someone. If we said we banned Account selling, then the majority of people who knew how to get around the system would be able to do more damage to unsuspecting people.



Hyperbolic reply.  You take reasonable steps to prevent it such as deleting threads with the same effort that is used to delete what is considered spam or off-topic.  Then you warn people that accounts can be sold if it is a problem, you don't publically support account selling.  That make this site (and Bitcoin) look ridiculous and irresponsible and possibly even create a legal liability.  That is why you don't see this at most other forums.
157  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why There Should Be A Bitcoin Central Bank on: October 12, 2014, 07:49:15 PM
Fractional reserve is legalized theft. Period.
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But who are they stealing from?

Everyone. Quite literally.

If you do not understand this, then you do not understand how fractional reserve banking works. Read the rest of this thread for the briefest of introductions to the topic.

Are they stealing from BFL customers and people who had funds in Mt. Gox too? 

Yes. The new money created by lending in fractional reserve banking drives its purchasing power from the theft of purchasing power held by everyone at the instant before the new money was created.

Glad to have helped you by increasing your level of knowledge.Wink

Except you not have the same economy to begin with so you don't know how much money would have in the first place.  You are comparing apples and oranges.  You have no idea how an economy would operate in practice if everything were Bitcoin.  That is why this is experiments.  You still have criminals, fractional reserve banking, wars, etc.  Bitcoin is just one more tool that may influence things to certain extent.  Other discussions such as the world completely switching over to Bitcoin is just a though experiment.  people who think these are real goals and tie Bitcoin to their agenda are the ones that are distorting Bitcoin to the public.

With all the problems central authorities have the majority of people want them.  People naturally choose security over freedom all the time, up to certain limits and all the Internet protocols in the world are not going to change that.  It happens with Bitcoiners too, look at the commotion around the centralized Foundation and complaints to central authorities like the FTC and SEC.  people want alternatives to some of the things central authorities do so they can be pressured but at the end of the day they still want them for security.
158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why There Should Be A Bitcoin Central Bank on: October 12, 2014, 06:11:06 PM
Fractional reserve is legalized theft. Period.
[
But who are they stealing from?

Everyone. Quite literally.

If you do not understand this, then you do not understand how fractional reserve banking works. Read the rest of this thread for the briefest of introductions to the topic.

Are they stealing from BFL customers and people who had funds in Mt. Gox too?  I am glad we have Bitcoin to solve this stealing problem.  Man, I was worried.  I thought Bitcoin was only good for ending wars and replacing law enforcement with Roger Ver's Bounty system.  I learn something new here every day.
159  Other / Meta / Re: BitcoinTalk Ads income, who get them? Why? on: October 12, 2014, 12:51:18 AM
Have you been buying up customer orders at a discount hoping to be able to cash in on potential refunds from BFL?


That is an interesting idea.  Someone could buy up BFL, inputs.io and GLBSE accounts and then have standing to sue some of the entities involved.
160  Other / Meta / Re: BitcoinTalk Ads income, who get them? Why? on: October 12, 2014, 12:41:03 AM

The only "evidence" that you presented


Right, this has nothing to do with "libertarianism," it is about scammers trying to get away with stuff without getting caught. 
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