I don't really understand why people are wasting time with fudsters in this thread. Just make a moderated thread and be done with it... Fud or not stop wasting time arguing the same things over and over again.
Because it's not fud when it's true. Your suggestion to stop calling deceptive behavior and other flaws out is ridiculous What is the deceptive behaviour? I was wondering too. I asked one of the fudders here to give some detail, but he didn't reply. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1543991.msg20731255#msg20731255It seems that there are some people who keep complaining but they don't seem to have any substance to the complaints On the previous page, written by myself: Now about the product: The HEAT currency....now there was that scalability issue in the beginning and (oh no I'm taking up one of Stewies points) it served as headline advertisement selling point (1000 tps)
Now months later they admitted that this was only eligible for private chains...having absolutely nothing to do with the public currency...
Now I did actually show one deception without even going to look for one.
Also the asset exchange, they claimed to have ready, but that took more than half a year to be usable
All of these false statements were made to gather a lot of money in the ICO. And the ICO was never necessary, they didn't need to create a new cryptocurrency, they could simply have used the replicator (the only thing thats different from before as far as I can tell) on their old currency.
But they didn't, instead they lied about functions and their product and gathered a lot of money. But I will now randomly look for another thing just to prove the point Ah here
FY2016 is over and accountants are furnishing the Ltd company's balance statements and financial reports in the next weeks, in time to be available for the 2nd funding round planned for Q1 2017. Investor prospects of course require proper financial reports, and these need to be in line to prove a sustainable business model and budgeting. That's part of the transparent structure that was planned since the inception of Heat Ledger Ltd - having to comply with the regulations regarding company reporting can also be used as a benefit for the seed round (cryptocurrency) investors. It's somewhat unusual that official reports from a cryptocurrency operation are actually required by law, so in our setup we consider that an advantage for the investors to genuinely being able to see how and at which pace the received funds are being used. It also involves more complex accounting tasks than running sole proprietorship and "having expenses sheet" for instance, so the reports need to be prepared with the effort required and will be provided in due time.
This was written in Mid-January! About one month before the options issuance was meant to happen. Well, it didn't. There's also no expenses sheet or any comparable document, all financials are a complete mystery contrary to what he promised here. I have another example, but I'm too lazy to look everything up now...at some point, he said that they released HEAT, because the circumstances were so good and they wanted to use that. Which is a complete lie, because the only reason for the release was the buy wall of the C-Cex exchange and that they didn't want to lose money. But months later he tried to retell the story. And of course there's the HEAT from C-Cex they kept for themselves whilst it was stated differently in the terms for the ICO Just read the last pages or go to my account history, you will find more, I don't like repeating myself, so you will find other issues |
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I don't really understand why people are wasting time with fudsters in this thread. Just make a moderated thread and be done with it... Fud or not stop wasting time arguing the same things over and over again.
Because it's not fud when it's true. Your suggestion to stop calling deceptive behavior and other flaws out is ridiculous "Atomic waste is bad" "Stop saying that, it has been said before" |
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Ah whatever, who am I talking to...if you want to run into a chainsaw, do it.
I've told my experiences now, readable for everyone in my account history. In a few pages they will be forgotten and the new idiots can get into HEAT without any research as always.
Enjoy
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I think it's just very dirty practices and it is closer to a scam than any other serious project but as I said, I wouldn't call it an absolute scam.
The thing is also, after all that happened, you cannot ever take anything Svante says for granted...it's always what he was trying to discredit the criticism with: Thoughtful lines to prevent questions, to keep people satisfied without actually saying anything. Transparency is next to zero. And problems wll only get acknowledged when it isn't possible to hide them anymore
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from the reddit above in ponzi schemes there is no product, it's thin air. anyway, we cannot ever agree i think
[–]Ser_NSFW
What is the actual product in HEAT, besides a digital cryptocurrency?
[–]arisalexis
it is a decentralized exchange. you are a troll and fudster after all probably you are the one screaming in the thread too.
now let me be clear. in ponzi schemes the product is you (there is none). if you are an opcode then you are right.
On ponzis: They all have a product. In fact, a ponzi cannot work completely without a product. The only problem with ponzi schemes is, that they are not sustainable. HEAT is not really a ponzi though (yet maybe, suprises can always happen) I also agree with gaia, that calling it a full on scam is not right Its just their ways of doing it that are quite fucked up Deceipt to reach goals is simply wrong. And there was a lot of deceipt. Maybe I'll have a quick look at the starting time of this thread again just to drag a few deceptions out. It's easy as you find a lot of them Now about the product: The HEAT currency....now there was that scalability issue in the beginning and (oh no I'm taking up one of Stewies points) it served as headline advertisement selling point (1000 tps) Now months later they admitted that this was only eligible for private chains...having absolutely nothing to do with the public currency... Now I did actually show one deception without even going to look for one. Also the asset exchange, they claimed to have ready, but that took more than half a year to be usable All of these false statements were made to gather a lot of money in the ICO. And the ICO was never necessary, they didn't need to create a new cryptocurrency, they could simply have used the replicator (the only thing thats different from before as far as I can tell) on their old currency. But they didn't, instead they lied about functions and their product and gathered a lot of money. And then Svante even has the nerve as calling everything a trollfest and a freak circus. Wthat the fucking fuck, I'm getting angry again just remembering that guy Even if there is a product, the team behind it stays the same as all the years before. |
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Is there an article about tokenomica somewhere? Can't find any detailed information about it
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Man, why do you discredit everything that was said by calling it trollfest.
Why do you, community, accept this? Why do you let him go over every question and criticism without answering? Why do you not question this project wth due dilligence when there are a hundred things to question?
Maybe a change of perspective...what do you think is going on here? What do you all think of him reacting to all that criticism? Do you think he's doing a good job discarding it so easily by calling it trollfest?
I'm really curious about the community perspective on this issue. Please give your opinion
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Na dann auf gehts...mal gucken wohin das Kapital abfließt, Fiat oder Altcoins  |
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They do nothibg with their lives amd bash people who do out of a deep jealousy.
Bro, keep up the good work amd ignore the fools.
Thanks, I agree. Very much appreciated. This is a perfect example of the manipulative behavior he engages in. Do you see how he pets you for ridiculing and discrediting me? There's a term for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot |
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It's hard to understand for me that you are trying to discredit reasonable and justified criticism by ridiculing or even insulting it.
You obviously do it out of monetary reasons...but I would never have expected something like that happening to me, because I always try to state things as neutral as possible OR make it clear that something is written from my perspective. I also always give (and gave) the source for every claim I made.
Now the way you are reacting to this insightful and clearly stated criticism is something, those, who are observing this situation should analyze for themselves as it tells a lot about the actors' characters and their willingness to achieve their goals by any means
And I'm repeating myself here again, but I urge everyone to read the dialogue between Eliphaz and tempus during the ICO phase.
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Wow what a load of bullshit insults
Dont worry Eliphaz, we all believe in your integrity amd so far im impressed with the project amd gains made since ICO. These paranoid assholes just compare to projects that have mooned and get all whiney. They really have no idea what so ever. They do nothibg with their lives amd bash people who do out of a deep jealousy.
Bro, keep up the good work amd ignore the fools.
Are you being ironic or do you mean what you say? Did you also read the text or do you merely take his scrapped version? But hey, I can be talked with reasonably...if you call me paranoid and jealous...could you clarify that? What am I paranoid of and who and what am I jealous of and why? Surely not of this project and Svante and surely not because of no gains. |
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Very curious you're repeating our favorite troll's stance of Dennis being an innocent hardworker and me being a parasite con leeching off his mastery and fucking everything up. Rather intricate how this setup has arisen since the beginning of "complaints".
I didn't know Stewie said that. But of course you will interprete it as sign that we are related anyhow... You know, where I live, people shave with occams razor and dont make up any fantasizing assumptions. And the simple explanation for saying the same things is, that we are coming to the same conclusions by the same things we are observing. But paranoid as you are, you are thinking this is a big planned conspiracy...right  Now about Dennis being masterful...where exactly did I say that? I said he is doing as good as he can. He surely isn't a master as there are and have been so many serious problems with the chain he wasn't and isn't able to solve. A true master there...lol. He's an honest worker though, you can give him that. |
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persistent and skillful covert trolling not caring about the community but about an institutional bank
Bollocks. HEAT has nothing to do with institutional banks currently, save for occasional negotiations with banks possibly adopting the HEAT tech for some future blockchain based service subsystems. The constant strong negativity and presentation of false claims as some kind of truth - such as on this page again - has contributed significant disturbance and delays into market recognition. One can wonder where this seen level of trolling arises from, as we've obviously been past the point of occasional fun of light harassment. Some of these actors observed, putting a hundred hours into slandering HEAT and crafting well planned lines of thought to pose themselves as make believe heroes for preventing future participants from entering, must be either seriously mentally ill or gaining compensation in a way or another. I suspect it's the latter About the institutional banks...that was my impression. If time proves me wrong I will apologize, but I got the feeling it was that way, after concentrating on this ABN Amro thing (an institutional dutch bank) whilst ignoring the public chain and any form of community building or marketing. I do not take it back - time will tell. But now to the fun part...the community is responsible for delay in market recognition by false criticism...Is that right Are you living in a parallel universe? Although, put aside all probability, I can't believe in a universe where your distorted views make sense. Now it's the people in this forum who are responsible for a failure to get people interested because they are so negative? No, it's much easier. You fuck up, you will get called out and you did fuck up in many things. Where are the oh so many business partnerships you claimed you had but couldn't disclose yet because it wouldn't have any effect on the market. Guess there was and will never be a time for that eh? You're giving the impression here that everything is going perfect and everything went smooth so far...which is simply not true...but that's aparently part of your deceptive nature. As for trolling...I remember the first person you called a troll. It was tempus, a user who was the only one seeing through your charade from the beginning by asking a lot of questions about the technology and the underlying economics. He called your deceptions out first. When you couldn't answer or you knew that you were hiding something, you started to ignore and discredit him as a troll. And as said before, Stewie is a bit rad indeed, but that's your luck, because that way, noone takes him seriously, but he just speaks his mind openly. Well planned lines...lol. And I can just assume, you are trying to discredit any upcoming criticism by calling them mentally ill or paid. Which brings me to the next point...calling criticism mentally ill...what the fuck? Or paid? Thats the most insulting and paranoid shit I have heard for a while from someone who can not be a troll. As said before, you fuck up, you get called out, even without anyone getting paid or being mentally ill (seriously wtf? you just insulted everyone who has not been happy with the way you do things...which is like half the community when you only take those who have spoken up) God I wish I had given tempus more credit i the beginning. I regret supporting this project with my money. Especially you Svante. Dennis is a coder and does it as good as he can. But you are unable to take responsibility and more importantly unable to learn from your mistakes. One simple example is your speculation with the ICO funds. Despite saying youre going to liquidate them to prevent loss as in your previous project you speculated for a price rise in crypto. Sure, it worked out this time, but you totally repeated the same possible mistake again, even after saying that you are not going to do it. But hey it's okay. It's our fault, we suck, we are letting HEAT fail...alright... Im even angry at myself now for being so angry with you but you really pushed some buttons there |
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Well, it's not without any reason that people are "bashing" the team. What you suggest is to stop criticizing things that are bad for the purpose of making people believe that the bad things are non-existent. That is not a behavior that should be encouraged at all, anywhere. (reminds me of North Korea dude) As for Stewie...yeah well, his style is childish and visually exaggerated and on rare occasions he might also have said something bad about HEAT that was not completely true, but overall, his points are valid...and as I've said before, it's easy to tag him as a purely evil troll, but he doesnt troll in the way I define it. He doesn't lie or make statements without content. |
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they have an enormous insider trading account
Proof? I wonder why HEAT is so undervalued. market cap of 7M while other decentralized exchanges have at least x15 market caps it's all the craze now.
I suggest you start reading this thread from the beginning for a bit, the first 20 or 30 pages should do it. There have been tons of issues...broken agreements, deadlines not kept, deception (at least from my perspective), failure to deliver a working product (there are still problems with the forging mechanism...something really basic), bad decisions, weird decisions, failure of buiding a community, not caring about the community but about an institutional bank...there are more things. One could ignore it if it were just a few things and they were corrected but there are just so many different things that I personally didn't think of them as a competent and genuine team anymore. Since this is already their second project after their first one (FIMK) has failed I doubt that many people might still believe in this becoming a success. Thus, the marketcap might just be where it belongs (I think even lower, but that might just be me as I do not consider this a decentralized cryptocurrency project anymore but an institutional private business venture of the team who only created the currency to be able to gather money from an ICO) |
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Let's see if this brings new people interacting on the platform.
A prison is a community too, right? I would have expected people to realize they were trapped on the platform when Bitcoin actually falls and a bear market starts. Seems, they are realizing it earlier |
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Solang jeder das wieder rausbekommt was er reingesteckt hat ist doch alles perfekt  Klar, tut halt trotzdem weh, mal so eben 50% verpennt zu haben |
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Wer (außer den Hausfrauen ) sind denn die Käufer? Fonds und der russische Staat ja wohl eher nicht Ich denke, alle die nicht genug BTCs haben, die kaufen jetzt. Warum sollte jemand BTCs kaufen, wenn er genug hat. Und wen genau meinst du damit? Newbies die den BTC entdecken oder Institutionen? So wie der Satz da steht gilt er für jeden Menschen auf dem Planeten Genau so war er auch gemeint, allgemein halt. Ich kann nicht in die Köpfe der Menschen schauen und daher weiss ich auch nicht ob Institutionen, die angeblich Bitcoin als Spekulation abtun und vor Bitcoins warnen, sich nicht doch noch klammheimlich mit dem angeblichen Schund eindecken. Okay, das ist wenigstens ehrlich Ich muss zugeben, dass mich dieser massive Anstieg überrascht hat. Bin bei 2700 raus und versteh nur schwerlich woher das Kapital kommt. Mein ursprünglicher Gedanke zur Bubble war, dass das Top des BTC in einem finale furioso aus dem gesammelten Kapital der Altcoins zustande kommen wird. Leider hab ich den irgendwann verworfen, als ich dachte das Top wäre bereits erreicht. Wenn nun allerdings jemand glaubhaft argumentieren kann, dass hier noch langsames Kapital investiert wird, muss ich meinen Standpunkt nochmal überdenken |
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