^^^ gaslighting, trolling.

^^^ He tries to confuse the issue by trolling then referring to refraction as an aberration but, he knows trying to deny it just tightens the noose as the eclipse requires extreme refraction to lift it up above the horizon on a globe. With no other course of action he continues to gaslight with trolling.

When you add more sticks a planar model fails without accounting for refraction, when you account for refraction the globe model fails and a planar model becomes consistent with observation.

Look at BADecker's intellectually dishonest and blatantly false statement. He tries to agree with with refraction being needed then claims it doesn't falsify the globe. He can't claim it's not needed or the selenelion falsifies the globe.

See how using two arguments forces him to start using gaslighting, semantics, goal post shifting, circular logic and the like? He can no longer argue with any facts and has to go down the path of intellectual dishonesty and start playing games. This is the point I just tell him to go rope himself, as he's playing a part in a massive conspiracy against me and almost everybody else.

For somebody arguing the flat and motionless nature of the Earth here's a tip:

   Use arguments in pairs, for example:

      FE Argument #1 - Eratosthenes and his sticks and shadows experiment works the same on a flat Earth with a close Sun.

      FE Argument #2 - A selenelion eclipse with the Sun and Moon both visible in the sky above the viewer is evidence the Earth is flat and motionless.


   The person arguing for the globe now has a problem, but he thinks he's got the answers. He's done some research and the authority has given him instructions on what to say.

      Globe Rebuttal #1 - We just add more sticks and the measurements are consistent with a globe but don't work on any flat Earth model.  

      Globe Rebuttal #2 - During a selenelion or horizontal lunar eclipse, atmospheric refraction causes the Moon to rise up from below the curvature of the Earth and become visible
      above the horizon.  


   Now our celebrity scientists such as Tyson or Nye look cool and smart. "We have pictures from space and I just proved Earth is a globe with 2000 year old math,
   I have nothing further to discuss with you flat earthers." loudly proclaims Tyson!


  Victory is short lived my chubby friend, has the reality of the answers you just gave set in Mr Tyson? Maybe you know and hope we wouldn't notice, or perhaps you've fooled yourself?

     Tyson: "I told you we have nothing further to discuss, now if you'll excuse I'm enjoying my sandwich!"

     The reality here Mr Tyson, the truth is that when adding more sticks to Eratosthenes experiment on a plane you must also calculate for atmospheric refraction. Remember,
     there are two questions here, either you have refraction or you don't but it matters not; if you claim refraction Argument #1 proves Flat Earth and falsifies the globe,
     if you claim no refraction then Argument #2 proves Flat Earth and falsifies the globe.


There you have it, always use two arguments so they're forced to falsify their own rebuttals.

There you have it, the proof beyond a reasonable doubt that earth is spinning ball in a vacuum and that every light in the sky is also a giant heavy ball is, the claim that in 11 years from now, elon musk and nasa are going going to have built vacation cities on mars and, there will be family holidays to mars like in the movie total recall. How could elon build a sprawling vacation getaway on mars with his bear hands if it wasn't a solid sphere; proof beyond a reasonable doubt no doubt?

But evil notbatman wants "to control people" and stop them from exploring mars and the universe and has worked out an evil plot against the heroic elon musk and the honest, dedicated and hard working men and woman at nasa who just want the best for all of mankind, a dastardly plan to "tell them the earth is flat and there is no way to go". Humanity will never know the joy of growing potatoes on mars and discovering fossilized martian flowers.

The shape of the earth is but one lie in world full of deception; a criminal doesn't just commit one crime, he's got a lengthy rap sheet. Now what you're suggesting is that we pool our money and give it to the criminal so he can take us all on a voyage to a place he's lied about. What could go wrong?

^^^ I think we can simplify this by asking why does a person or group lie about anything? There's a handful of of special use cases, white lies, lies to your enemies, lies for your team or just propagating erroneous and false information unknowingly. I'm asking generally, what's the motivation to lie?





ORANGE MAN BAD!

The military version is not the same as the commercial one but they both use troposcatter technology.

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You'll find some of those answers in this book:



Don't let the churches, or the pope, or the jesuits, or the society of jesus, or mockery by jews, or Vod poison your interpretation of those words.

^^^ The camera pans and the ''holographic wave'' stays with the moon, it's possible the cameras operating frequencies are at play in the generation of the effect but, after some consideration I believe it can be witnessed by eye with a telescope. In either case the moon being a holographic projection from an elctro-mechanical projection system is the most likely cause as objects illumined by the sun don't exhibit this behavior.

^^^ No you, your claim is observational error. The top-left quarter has an edge, where's waldo?




^{Source: CRROW777}

That's not the argument I'm supporting here, you have nothing but stawmen. Every area that's lit is illuminated evenly with the exception of the area adjacent to the delimiter line. The moon is not consistent with a sphere illuminted by the sun, go rope yourself.



"The best possible explanation for the Moon is observational error – the Moon doesn’t exist." -- Irwin Shapiro, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics



Folks, this is the very essence of gaslighting.

That's only if you assume the sun is 93 million miles away, the sun is a projected object whose distance can be measured with sextant. The measured distance to the sun is about 3,000 miles and at that distance the sun's light rays are divergent. The shadows cast by sticks are consistent with a close small sun (measured at a diameter of ~32 miles) over a flat and motionless plane.

Do you understand how much bullshit you're full of?





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It should be noted that on flat earth atmospheric refraction needs to be accounted for.

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I'm sorry but your understanding of radio signal propagation over long distances is flawed, radio waves are the same as light only with longer wavelengths and they suffer from the same limiting effects. For example, the giant mylar weather balloon can reflect the sun's light down to you but you can't see the sun directly due to perspective and other limiting effects. The longer the distance you want to transmit your signal the higher the altitude you need your antenna, that or bounce your signal off the ionosphere or troposphere but that trick only works with certain frequencies.

The DirecTV type "satellite" dish systems that are commonly in use today use troposcatter technology developed by the US military:



   "tropospheric scatter: 1. The propagation of radio waves by scattering as a result of irregularities or discontinuities in the physical properties of the troposphere. [NTIA] [RR] [JP1] 2. A method of transhorizon communications using frequencies from approximately 350 MHz to approximately 8400 MHz. (188) Note: The propagation mechanism is still not fully understood, though it includes several distinguishable but changeable mechanisms such as propagation by means of random reflections and scattering from irregularities in the dielectric gradient density of the troposphere, smooth-Earth diffraction, and diffraction over isolated obstacles (knife-edge diffraction). Synonym troposcatter." -- https://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/dir-038/_5617.htm

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No I didn't lie, your definition of orbit is a fallacy and I've redefined it with the justification that it reflects the motion of celestial objects such as the moon. As for the air pressure go buy a barometer and a length of rope, then go rope yourself.

Once the fallacy of "spacecraft" (there is no outer space) and the fallacy of celestial objects as heavy balls in the sky (they're projected lights) is dispelled, all that remains for an artificial satellite (weather balloon) is a circular path that follows the sun.

The first "satellite" launched by the US/NASA (before Sir Arthur C. Clarke sci-fi bullshit was adopted) was in a project called "project echo". They used a real rocket (Wernher Von Braun) to launch a payload that contained a giant mylar balloon and a radio reflector. They launched the balloon into a 1,000 mile orbit above the earth then bounced radio signals from ground stations off of the reflector. The giant mylar balloon reflecting sunlight is the light or "sattelite" seen in the sky at night as it passes by.

Another way to bounce radio signals is off of the ionosphere. High altitude aircraft and drones are also used as "satellites".



Project Echo



Wernher Von Braun



"Hubble Space Telescope"

^^^ Your concept/definition of evenly lit is in error.

Au contraire mon ami! I've provided video from CRROW777 that shows the moon suffering from aliasing effects during the solstice; this effect is indicative of an electro-mechanical image projection system. I've also noted that the moon is evenly lit, hard evidence the image you're seeing is a projected one. I'm sure I've posted more proof than just that and, I'm also sure I could expand on it with a bit of work.

You keep referring to my descriptions as a model as if I'm working from a theoretical structure that I have. There's no flat earth model, what I do have are my observations, the documented observations of others and, an honest description of the world around me and how it works. I don't have access to the source of the projections and the jews aren't going to share their observations, so I'm really limited here on what I can state as fact.

However, I can theorize that there's a 3rd shadowy celestial object; the projector itself probably causes the appearance of a hidden celestial object that can eclipse the sun and moon. It's possibly a filter or a lens overlapping the projection but I'm really taking shots in the dark here. It's often referred to as the Black Sun in various esoteric text.

^^^ Space race, the fix is in on that one. The US and Russia have collaborated secretly behind the scenes since the start of the cold war. If you don't agree with this statement then surely you can provide scientific proof that outer space is real? I'm not fooled by the puppet show they put on and neither should anybody else.

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".. A selenelion or selenehelion occurs when both the Sun and an eclipsed Moon can be observed at the same time. ..." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse

That's right folks, during a selenelion eclipse you can observe both the sun and the moon in the sky above you while the earth below you passes between them. This is some hard evidence that we live on globe, how could the earth possibly be flat in light of this evidence? I guess I should just give up and admit I'm wrong.

^^^ Pickled Earth hahaha

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NASA receives $57 million USD a day in tax money to hoax the globe. I'm forced to pay for this fraud and you want to say that I'm bad and wrong for being critical about the unprofessional tangled mess they show off? You'd think that with that kind of financial incentive they could hire a professional electrician as a consultant when designing their virtual set backdrops.

^^^ it's funny how you're triggered by criticism of the ORAD virtual set backdrop NASA uses in their studio.





Orad Virtual Set Technology is far ahead of the stop motion animation NASA used back in 1965.