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1421  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CONFIRMED! Leroy Fodor & Wofvman's stakeminers.com site is a scam! on: September 21, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
That's a sure sign that Leroy Fodor no longer gives a fuck about his brand when he no longer spells it correctly.
His sloppy writing aside, you don't build a strong brand by fundamentally being dishonest, ducking pointed-but-relevant questions, not being open with his transactions (not wanting to list the 11 withdrawals in a row), and shutting down public communication channels.

It's got amateur hour written all over it, and it's embarrassing to see him conduct his "business" that way.

I can't comprehend how a single "investor" could trust the guy with their money after doing their due diligence.

Remember where he went looking for investors. the sea of geniuses that were involved in GAW and other assorted failures. Intelligence isn't their strong suit.

With that logic, Sonny Vleisides could come out with a new brand made up of a new cast of characters with his new "I'm on a new track now!" introduction and start taking orders - not pre-orders - for his 8nm ASIC-based miners capable of mining any and all cryptocurrencies, and he would have no problems amassing millions within the first hours while those in the Be Careful Camp are singing their familiar tunes.

Didn't he do that like 3 times already? Shitheads from here will give anyone a bunch of money if they claim to have a new miner, these other things are minor league scam for special idiots on the minor league forums.
1422  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io BTCLend LNC. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: September 21, 2015, 05:07:03 PM
Vlad, the fact that you were stupid enough to get paid in xpy and hold on to it for way too long doesn't make you any less of a shill.
1423  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Robot Problems on: September 21, 2015, 03:32:04 PM
General internet tip, nothing good can come from a website that has a popup that says "are you sure you want to leave" when you try to leave.
1424  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io BTCLend LNC. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: September 21, 2015, 03:24:01 PM
That may be. Sixteen million coins isnīt much in shitcoin terms. There is garbage out there with 30 going to 100 billion coins that somehow fetches almost a cent per coin. I guess that market cap of hundreds of millions of dollars is a useless piece of info as well.

Galdur, seriously, give it up man your logic is grossly flawed.

You refused to listen when people were telling you why scrypt.cc was a stinking turd of a criminal scam, until you finally had to relent in the face of mountains of evidence which tore apart your 'garbage'-laden ad-hominem-flecked desperate prose you routinely posted trying to explain how maybe, just maybe, it wasn't. The same thing is happening here, you are applying value to a coin which has no assets and no future outside of pump and dump hype.

XPY doesn't own a brand and it doesn't own a domain. It is a decentralised network of nodes, a blockchain ledger. It cannot own anything. It does not own anything.



I didnīt promote that scrypt.cc thing was just tired of hearing the same shit from same crap 500 times. I got it after the first three times actually.  Grin

XPY doesn't own a brand and it doesn't own a domain. It is a decentralised network of nodes, a blockchain ledger. It cannot own anything. It does not own anything.

Well, the same goes for bitcoin, right? I guess the logic of people that discover its price is seriously flawed as well?

that logic isn't flawed, the logic that the worth of the website paycoin.com has anything to do with anything is severely flawed.  Even if paycoin.com was worth some insane amount of money, why would that reflect on the price of the coin?

Well, it was more about the paycoin name although paycoin.com was also mentioned. I think the name paycoin is being factored into the price, you donīt think it is in fact you insist that it isnīt. How youīre able to state something like this for a fact is beyond me. But thatīs just fine with me Iīm not insisting anything.


I'm not insisting that it has no impact, I'm stating the common sense fact that a "good" name can't counteract the fact that the coin was started as a scam, still is a scam, and that so many coins (and the ability to make new coins with 0 effort) are in the control of scumbags that the price can't recover because those people will just dump.

The entire point of everything from at least hashlets to today has been to take money from idiots and give it to scumbags. A name can't change that.
1425  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CONFIRMED! Leroy Fodor & Wofvman's stakeminers.com site is a scam! on: September 21, 2015, 03:02:34 PM
That's a sure sign that Leroy Fodor no longer gives a fuck about his brand when he no longer spells it correctly.
His sloppy writing aside, you don't build a strong brand by fundamentally being dishonest, ducking pointed-but-relevant questions, not being open with his transactions (not wanting to list the 11 withdrawals in a row), and shutting down public communication channels.

It's got amateur hour written all over it, and it's embarrassing to see him conduct his "business" that way.

I can't comprehend how a single "investor" could trust the guy with their money after doing their due diligence.

Remember where he went looking for investors. the sea of geniuses that were involved in GAW and other assorted failures. Intelligence isn't their strong suit.
1426  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Robot Problems on: September 21, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
If they had a bot that could trade successfully wouldn't they use it instead of selling it to other people so they could use it and cut into their profits?
1427  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io BTCLend LNC. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: September 21, 2015, 01:52:50 PM
That may be. Sixteen million coins isnīt much in shitcoin terms. There is garbage out there with 30 going to 100 billion coins that somehow fetches almost a cent per coin. I guess that market cap of hundreds of millions of dollars is a useless piece of info as well.

Galdur, seriously, give it up man your logic is grossly flawed.

You refused to listen when people were telling you why scrypt.cc was a stinking turd of a criminal scam, until you finally had to relent in the face of mountains of evidence which tore apart your 'garbage'-laden ad-hominem-flecked desperate prose you routinely posted trying to explain how maybe, just maybe, it wasn't. The same thing is happening here, you are applying value to a coin which has no assets and no future outside of pump and dump hype.

XPY doesn't own a brand and it doesn't own a domain. It is a decentralised network of nodes, a blockchain ledger. It cannot own anything. It does not own anything.



I didnīt promote that scrypt.cc thing was just tired of hearing the same shit from same crap 500 times. I got it after the first three times actually.  Grin

XPY doesn't own a brand and it doesn't own a domain. It is a decentralised network of nodes, a blockchain ledger. It cannot own anything. It does not own anything.

Well, the same goes for bitcoin, right? I guess the logic of people that discover its price is seriously flawed as well?

that logic isn't flawed, the logic that the worth of the website paycoin.com has anything to do with anything is severely flawed.  Even if paycoin.com was worth some insane amount of money, why would that reflect on the price of the coin?
1428  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Blackjack Question on: September 21, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
How could counting cards work if most casinos use 8 deck shoes.  counting cards is a thing of the past.

The movie "Rain man" (with Tom Cruise and Dustin Hoffman) not is more actualizzed for the new casinos with 8 deck shoes  Grin

But every casino write of many deck shoes use? Or is a secret?

They should tell you if you ask, or you can look with your eyes. Unless they are using the machine that reshuffles the cards in after every hand you can look and tell the difference between 6 and 8 decks.

Single or double deck blackjack look like completely different games, and if you do find one it will be advertised (but they will also probably only give you 6:5 on blackjack, so it's usually not worth it.)

Knowing the total number of cards isn't that useful, the problem comes from how often they reshuffle. Even if you have a casino that won't/can't kick you out for card counting, they can just reshuffle sooner than normal so you don't have enough time to get/use useful info from card counting.
1429  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io BTCLend LNC. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: September 21, 2015, 01:42:23 PM
Bad story telling Paul, Only getting 67% of the agreed upon price for the super valuable name like paycoin is supposed to be the climax of the story.

O well, still a good movie, I'll make some more popcorn.
1430  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io BTCLend LNC. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: September 21, 2015, 01:16:44 PM
What makes you think that something that is worth a hell of a lot would even be sold. All Iīm saying is that the anticipated value of that paycoin brand name is part of the price discovery of this coin. Notice the part

part. Now, whether what people anticipate in investments turns out to be right or wrong later is another matter. The future will tell. 

If you are unfamiliar with this price discovery thing look it up.

LOL, sure, 'price discovery'! I do not think that terms means what you think it means.

Let's see, XPY is a decentralised digital currency, the value of which is determined by speculative investors looking to buy and sell to each other at various times and at various prices predicated on, well, speculation on there being some sort of future massive interest in the digital coin for some reason or other.

XPY does not own anything.

The Paycoin 'brand' and the paycoin.com domain name are not owned by the XPY network of nodes.

If anyone were to ever, and this is a big fucking if, want to purchase the Paycoin 'brand' and domain name for their own project, it would not be for the benefit of the XPY network of nodes.





Yet, this particular shitcoin has a bigger market cap than 90-95% of the turds of the entire shitpile. It may not mean much but it still looks like being among the least unattractive turds.

The market cap is a useless piece of info. It is so high because so many coins were created out of thin air at the beginning, and can be created out of thin air whenever one of the scumbags with a prime controller feels like it.
1431  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io BTCLend LNC. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: September 21, 2015, 01:15:13 PM
Well, I very seriously doubt that you can buy that website for $19,715

Itīs just a nominal value. Whoīs the appraiser anyway?

This guy is an idiot - buttcoin.com sold for $18,000 and it has zero mass market potential.

buttcoin was worth 18k to BFL because it allowed them to change the posts calling the minirig a "huge, broken, unstable piece of shit" to a "sexy bitcoin mining machine," it is not worth anything to anyone else.

Paycoin is useless, it's a cool name, but I find it funny that the guy who sold the rights to "paycoin" for pennies is now going to turn around and say the website is worth millions.

There is no plan to make the price go up, if there is one it will never work. When will you guys realize this has been a scam from day 1? You were stupid to believe in the floor because there was never a logical explanation for what Garza would do with the coins he paid $20 for. You are stupid for thinking that any movement in the price will result in anything but the people holding tons of them dumping to try and salvage a few pennies.
1432  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Blackjack Question on: September 21, 2015, 12:36:29 PM
it's not cheating, but casinos do not have to accept your bet if they don't want to, and they won't want to if they know that you can count cards successfully.

You can try online but it just won't work. They reshuffle after every hand so the amount of information you can pick up on one hand is nowhere near enough to impact your decision making on that hand, and it can't impact your bet size because you have to make your bet before you see any cards.

Really? I thought if you just followed the rules, they wouldn't have a reason to kick you.

Also maybe it's not dependent on your bet size. It could just be letting you know when you should hit or stay.

Their reason is that they are losing. You don't need to break a rule to get kicked out. They can't kick you out because you are in a protected class, but they can kick you out for ANY other reason, including "they don't like you."
1433  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Blackjack Question on: September 21, 2015, 03:55:56 AM
it's not cheating, but casinos do not have to accept your bet if they don't want to, and they won't want to if they know that you can count cards successfully.

You can try online but it just won't work. They reshuffle after every hand so the amount of information you can pick up on one hand is nowhere near enough to impact your decision making on that hand, and it can't impact your bet size because you have to make your bet before you see any cards.
1434  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Blackjack Question on: September 21, 2015, 03:40:10 AM
That is why people count cards. If you know what cards have been dealt, you know what cards are left in the shoe and can adjust your bet size and/or strategy appropriately.

It is not as easy as you would think, there is lots to remember, most casinos will burn the first card (and another on the dealer change), they do not go all the way through the shoe so you have less time to take advantage of the information if you can remember it, most casinos can kick you out if they feel like it, and you being able to beat them at blackjack is one of their favorite reasons.

Edit: read "bringing down the house" or watch the movie 21 for a slightly fictionalized version of the MIT blackjack team's adventures in Vegas.

Edit 2: don't try this online because most online casinos reshuffle the entire 6/8 deck shoe after every hand because they can.
1435  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Lending Platform BitLend.io on: September 20, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
Another genius over there talking about moridca's "redemption."

I would love some of the drugs they are on. I don't believe anyone involved is innocent of anything, but he is one of the top offenders. If there is some dream world where he was innocent he is definitely not smart enough to do anything else in the future. He was in charge of the data center which was a complete failure and the most obvious part of the scam.

Every step of the operation was fraudulent, but the data center might be the king. There were no hashlets in there, they posted fake pictures and videos, they accepted maintenance fees and didn't pay electric bills, and they didn't pass on mined coins to users. How the fuck can the guy in charge of that "redeem himself?"
1436  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Lending Platform BitLend.io on: September 20, 2015, 02:33:34 AM
I am thinking any lawyer with a pulse could make some serious hay with the fact that the guy suing GAW is also working closely with the very people he is saying ripped him off. How bad could they be if he is actually in business with them now? The whole idea is so fucking preposterous I can't quite wrap my head around it yet.

Just what this needs, more lawyers.

I'm actually impressed that a new way to throw good money after bad came up after the gawsuit.
1437  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Lending Platform BitLend.io on: September 20, 2015, 02:03:27 AM
I am really patient in waiting for an official response regarding this question, Alan should do it, as the fact that he is probably the last person to point finger to and there could be an reasonable explanation.

Myself, I do not mind if alan makes something good of this service, he is good guy helping others, not many organise a lawsuit, even if his investemnt is involved, I am sure that there is no intention on his side to scam or be involved in any way with gawtards.

It's a long post so I won't quote it:

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/welcome-to-bitlend/5341/22

what a crock of shit.

He "ran" a data center that didn't pay their electric bills or deliver coins to the customers. He was in prime position to tell everyone that "hashlets" didn't exist and that they didn't have the amount they sold.

If Joe couldn't figure out it was a scam he's too stupid to do anything else. If allen can't realize that so is he.
1438  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CONFIRMED! Leroy Fodor & Wofvman's stakeminers.com site is a scam! on: September 20, 2015, 01:20:43 AM
suchmoon, has he been able to show that he has all the coins that he is supposed to after your apology?

Kind of crazy for him to accuse anyone of fucking up the math in doing that when you had to jump through 18 hoops to find the info in the first place.
1439  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Lending Platform BitLend.io on: September 20, 2015, 12:51:52 AM
Nobody, why do you think someone cares about him Smiley

If someone of GAW is involved then it's already a bad sign. It looks like there are many who try them out and some information could help others to decide and get own impression, like involvement of ex. GAW employee, I do not care if it is a joe or someone else from gaws scam team. I think it is the same reason why you probably posted your comment, if nobody cares, why do you care?

Oh, mordica being involved means stay away, but you should have been staying away after finding the first gawtard involved. I'm good someone dug deep enough to find someone that deeply involved, but people need to wake up and shun all these guys.
1440  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Lending Platform BitLend.io on: September 19, 2015, 11:51:36 PM
Who cares about Joe? that's obviously a MAJOR red flag, but no one with a brain should want to get involved with the other gawtards involved in this site.

Anyone that deeply involved in anything to do with GAW and paycoin is either too stupid or too scummy to do business with in the future.
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