...... So as soon as a person logs on some chatroom he's a virtual person and therefore every social rule from the real life is cancelled and he can happily wank away in front of a ten year old child (even if it's a virtual model the other person still thinks it's real).....
Something about this sounds so totally weird I think you likely need to reassess what you are proposing - in fact reassess the premises behind your positions. Obviously where you are headed is advocating police entrapment of perverts, some kind of persuasion of them to get them to take some illegal action so that they can be jailed. This starts with presentation of fake animation of children on some kind of internet site - bait. The fake animations would be used because real children shouldn't be subjected to such things. That's a pretty sick game, bud. You might want to read up a bit on issues and problems with the concept and implementation of entrapment. honestly, you have a good point..... That's a tough subject there... i'll need some more contemplation on this one, thanks for posting your opinion. You might want to read up a bit on the history of police enforcement of vice laws. The things that you've described have a remarkable parallel to police entrapment of homosexuals in back in the 1950-1960 era. District attorneys are usually interested in getting the arrest/conviction rates up, not down. They hand out assignments and essentially, quotas. I remember reading somewhere that today, a guy might walk out of a club, and feeling the need and the street being relatively deserted, take a leak in some corner. But that today he might be arrested for this, for 'indecent exposure', and have the stigma of that arrest and conviction record. In the past, that wouldn't have occurred. Sounds like that's a reasonable projection of today's reality. Of course then on the contrary, to have a police state you gotta have some stuff for police to do....
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I used to believe in Jesus Christ with all my heart. I was a practicing Catholic, went to church every week, prayed often, and felt God's warm embrace in my life.
Then I got better.
This saddens me Rassah. ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif) You are the one I am praying for the most on here, like it or not. I know you are convinced that God is not real .... Salvation, redemption and so forth may be either TO or FROM.... When he says honestly that he's made a movement to the better, I can't see why not to accept that at face value. Because that movement was AWAY from "Jesus"? The problem with double talk such as "oh but that must not have been the True Jesus, try a different one" is the True Scotsman logical fallacy. The problem with arguing that "Oh that Catholic church thats Man's creation that's not God" is that argument can be never proven or disproven, thus it can be used anywhere and anything against or for anything. It is like if someone said "I'm doing much better since I stopped drinking". Ok, fine. Then someone else walks up and says "I've started drinking and I like it." Ok, that's fine too. The one statement does not contradict the truth of the other. Sure. It might be better for a while. Drinking is great for a while. Someone could totally get drunk every night and say, "I like it" then die of alcohol poisoning. Then it would not be as much fun would it? A verse that comes to mind is "Everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial." No arguments with that. But note I haven't in the analogy mentioned 'excessive drinking'. Here's another example. Some time ago a vegetarian girl worked for me. One day she came in sort of a dazed, dreamy look, slight smile on her face. First thing I thought was that she'd fallen head over heels in love with some guy. I asked "You look happy, what happened?" The reply... "I just ate a hamburger..." Solution for Person A at moment A1: Don't eat meat Solution for Person A at moment A2: Eat meat Why should just one of these be 'right'?
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...... So as soon as a person logs on some chatroom he's a virtual person and therefore every social rule from the real life is cancelled and he can happily wank away in front of a ten year old child (even if it's a virtual model the other person still thinks it's real).....
Something about this sounds so totally weird I think you likely need to reassess what you are proposing - in fact reassess the premises behind your positions. Obviously where you are headed is advocating police entrapment of perverts, some kind of persuasion of them to get them to take some illegal action so that they can be jailed. This starts with presentation of fake animation of children on some kind of internet site - bait. The fake animations would be used because real children shouldn't be subjected to such things. That's a pretty sick game, bud. You might want to read up a bit on issues and problems with the concept and implementation of entrapment.
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Gee that's horrible.
I'm concerned about the abuse of digital characters by other digital characters. All of the characters in Shrek are digital and some are horribly abused. What are we going to do about that? Like they get abused over and over - every time the movie is played or replayed.
well, thanks for contributing such a sensible comment to this thread, that was quite distracting. have you even watched the vid? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) a little bit more empathy instead of sarcasm regarding this subject wouldn't have been wrong... i don't know if the whole avaaz petition stuff will help this in any way, but still it's a good attempt to fight human sex slavery and i felt like sharing it. ARE YOU NUTS? A person logs on to some chatroom with an avatar. That's a virtual person. A cop logs on to a chatroom with an avatar. (in this case, of a certain age). That's a virtual person. There is no difference between this and what I described. Now let me guess - you'd ban the movie and book Lolita, right? Or track the people that rented or bought them? LOL...
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Gee that's horrible. I'm concerned about the abuse of digital characters by other digital characters. All of the characters in Shrek are digital and some are horribly abused. What are we going to do about that? Like they get abused over and over - every time the movie is played or replayed.
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I used to believe in Jesus Christ with all my heart. I was a practicing Catholic, went to church every week, prayed often, and felt God's warm embrace in my life.
Then I got better.
This saddens me Rassah. ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif) You are the one I am praying for the most on here, like it or not. I know you are convinced that God is not real .... Salvation, redemption and so forth may be either TO or FROM.... When he says honestly that he's made a movement to the better, I can't see why not to accept that at face value. Because that movement was AWAY from "Jesus"? The problem with double talk such as "oh but that must not have been the True Jesus, try a different one" is the True Scotsman logical fallacy. The problem with arguing that "Oh that Catholic church thats Man's creation that's not God" is that argument can be never proven or disproven, thus it can be used anywhere and anything against or for anything. It is like if someone said "I'm doing much better since I stopped drinking". Ok, fine. Then someone else walks up and says "I've started drinking and I like it." Ok, that's fine too. The one statement does not contradict the truth of the other.
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There were no "just_me"s, no "pedrag", no "Spendulus" (if there twer it twat a Roman), no hawkeye, but...Rassah, dank, Vod, and Ekaros, you guys names may have been crucified.
Jesus isn't really even his real name. That's just a bastardized anglicized version. I'm surprised devout Christians don't call Jesus by his actual name. I guess they don't care... Rassah is actually a totally unique name. I pretty much pulled it out of my ass. Though I see that there are some other Rassah's, likely with accent on the second A, as opposed to mine with accent on the first, living in Middle East... Weird how almost nothing is original any more (no, not even the bible, much of which was plundered from more ancient religions) Right, but the name-of-him-who-we-call-today-Jesus was a common name. I don't know about that. That name "rassah" sounds, well, like the kind of name of someone who was a real troublemaker. I know them when I hear them. And let me tell you, you hang out around a few Roman Centurians, they say "Chump, what's your name" and you say "Rassah" and they say "What?" and you say "Rassah, SIR" and they say "Rassah, eh?" Methinks that's like, on a slow and boring night, gonna be some trouble for Rassah... You got to think about what it was like back then with no television. It was the crooked dice game, or drinking, or pillaging and raping villages, or making fun and likely beating people to a pulp that had funny names.
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Either with McCain or Romney all this total lying and disregard for humanity would not be occurring.
![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Ok, I'll give you the first one, but only because instead of lying, there would be a lot of sleeping and snoring. Though I am not sure I would have been able to handle 4 years of "Don'cha'no" and compulsive winking... Romney was lying throughout his campaign, too. They all always are. It's their job. "You betcha...."
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I used to believe in Jesus Christ with all my heart. I was a practicing Catholic, went to church every day, prayed often, and felt God's warm embrace in my life.
Then I got better.
See? See? See what miracles praying achieve? LOL... I'm willing to conjecture that there was some Jesuses around 2000 years ago. See, Jesus was a pretty common name, so there were probably like....bunches of them, man, you could herd them around like cattle. And with that many Jesuses, you damn sure know some of them were bad boys. And some of those bad boys were like, really bad boys. There's always gonna be a few troublemakers. So you can be damn sure a couple of those Jesuses were put up on the cross and died there. Now let me take the opposite case. 2000 years ago there were certainly no Edgar Peabodys running around. Not even one. Therefore, there were no Edgar Peabodys hoisted on the cross and none dying on the cross. There were no "just_me"s, no "pedrag", no "Spendulus" (if there twer it twat a Roman), no hawkeye, but...Rassah, dank, Vod, and Ekaros, you guys names may have been crucified.
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The world according to Vod! Vod thinks that Vod is the 'way, the truth and the life'
Sorry fool. Vod thinks the truth itself is the 'way. The dark ages have been over for centuries - there are no room for imaginary gods in the age of reason. Any man who calls another man a fool will be in danger of the judgement - Jesus Christ The Fool has said in his heart that there is no God - Holy Bible I am not calling you a fool, vod, but the holy bible says you are a fool Actually, yes you simply used an argument from authority to call him a fool. That's a logical error. He directly called you a fool, when you disregarded logic and reason. Your use of logical error is thus proven twice.
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So you mean Obama screwed all the little people that voted for him? The same people that were trained like puppets to hate Bush everywhere they looked? The people that were dazzled by phrases like 'hope and change' without even questioning what hope for what change? Don't they kind of deserve what they are getting here? Either with McCain or Romney all this total lying and disregard for humanity would not be occurring. The fundamental dishonesty of this President is no longer astonishing, and it is just a dismal everyday reality. Granted there'd be quite a few things I wouldn't be liking about either the McCain or Romney alternatives that were presented to us as choosable alternatives...
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pedrog- I see you rebuking Kenshin for saying that 'jesus never existed', so I take that to mean that you believe that Jesus Christ did exist. But do you believe in Jesus Christ? or do you believe that Jesus was 'just a man'? It seems you are on your way to believing in jesus christ?
What I believe is irrelevant, but historians and scholars agree that a man named Jesus had most likely existed and had some importance among his followers at the time. The "Jesus Myth" may have compelling arguments but it doesn't stick. Yes, Jesus was just a man like every other. Who, exactly told you you could stick the Christ on a Jesus mentioned by someone else? That, it would seem to me, is mis stating pedrog.
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.... Why don't you make your own thread, and discuss your apostate state of non-belief in that thread? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Because hubris reigns here? By the way: I always liked the water to wine trick (easy to do...)... Does someone have a no-effort bit to bitcoin trick?
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There has been no greater farce in modern history than authority disguised as liberty: behold, the modern liberal, a living contradiction.
bump for that.
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It appears that the Reds wearing Green are doubling down, likely before word gets out that the science has leaned down hard on the side of 'no AGW' and 'no planetary emergency' with the 5th IPCC report. The skeptics knew this anyway, and kept telling people that 'climate sensitivity' was quite lower than was believed, that co2 did not and could not have the dramatic effect that was believed. They've been proven right, but don't expect accolades. As a part of this, an interesting and very positive thing has arose. Due to the fact that the skeptics' scientific musings and articles went largely unpublished, there has developed on at least two web sites serious research being done outside the old 'peer reviewed framework' of journals. These sites are climateaudit.org and http://wattsupwiththat.com/. One further rather scary note is from the solar physict Lockwood, who says there is something now like a 25% chance based on observed solar activity that we are now entering a several centuries long global cooling phase. I say scary because any sort of cooling would cause massive starvation due to limits on food production. These same articles quoting Lockwood tend to end on the note "but don't worry it will be offset by human caused global warming so everything will be okay". Well, what is it, bad or good? Or is it all just scare stories designed to get compliance with government and taxes? Final note, what is one to read into the vision of a "clean energy economy?" It's an attempt to build and maintain a "Climate-Industrial Complex", which in the view of greenies, should and could be as vast and powerful as the Exxons of the world. Unfortunately, on all sides the attempts to prop up these operations are either failing or becoming increasingly expensive. How long these people with magical thinking may take to figure out the losing proposition is not easy to say, since this would involve destroying and replacing a number of faith driven belief patterns.
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....Man's fuckupification (for lack of a better word I can't remember) of religion for power does not falsify the spiritual truths found in religious texts.[/b]
It most certainly can and does. In fact, it's inevitable that it does. Just take the abuse of the concept of altruism for benefit of (church, government, powerful leader of one sort or another). If the book(s) in question do not adequately explain the concept (they don't) then it is left open to fuckupification, which is exactly what will happen. It's not impossible that such things are / were purposeful...
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.... In the end all I can answer for is myself, my faith, and my convictions.
.... You're meant to know, but only if you dare to look; it depends on how you approach these mysteries, and I believe it all begins with a question. When you begin with an answer, you can only ever change the world around you to conform to your answer.... But that makes everything so nice and easy! And thinking is so hard! Just consider. Put your faith blindly in Jesus Christ. You can stop thinking! Life will be good. Now everyone hold hands in a circle and sing Kumbaya. I wouldn't even consider this an attack, what he said is true. When you have faith in god you can stop thinking. And that is exactly what everybody needs to do. When we stop thinking and focus on the present reality, we find anything is possible with the power of now. This is where one finds peace, god and understanding. Not through their thoughts but in the absence of thoughts can new ideas be grasped. What? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Look if someone says "you are just shooting yourself in the foot" that doesn't mean you should go and do it. It means they are explaining the problem. The problem is not the solution. But now that I think about it, you two somewhat differing believers can fight it out.
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.... You do realize that the only reason that they have such low 'taxable' reported incomes is because they don't tell the truth about all the cash profit, right? Do you really think that full-time professional sex workers in California only make $25K per year? Seriously, would you do that kind of work for that? If they don't make four times that much, they couldn't afford to live in California. They only qualify for medicaid because the government buys their BS.
They aren't going to have their tax returns "fully vetted". Ever. If you have a job that removes your income tax from your wages before you get it, then you're subsidizing their (high risk) lifestyles.....
Tax returns? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) You do realize that one of the goals of this scam is to move all the undocumented people into the tax system, right? They can only get their 'subsidies or free health care' if they are in the system. Bullshit. These sex workers aren't undocumented. They file returns, they just lie about how much they really make. Waitresses do it, restaurant owners do it; just about any cash dominated business does it to some degree. That's a rational (although arguablely immoral, and certainly illegal) response to the tax policies of the US. Tax avoidance and tax evasion are two terms that describe exactly the same activity, where one is considered criminal and the other is not. Cash transactions have the same annoying feature, so vilified by government agencies, that Bitcoin has; in the sense that a cash transaction, between two parties that don't have a reason to involve the government, doesn't leave a paper trail. .... I've noticed, in talking to my friends about Bitcoin, that they have largely forgotten these attributes of cash. They have been steeped in a tracable credit card economy for so long that untracable transactions and/or how to account for them is a new concept. Unfortunately this only shows the lack of whores amongst my friends....lol..
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.... In the end all I can answer for is myself, my faith, and my convictions.
.... You're meant to know, but only if you dare to look; it depends on how you approach these mysteries, and I believe it all begins with a question. When you begin with an answer, you can only ever change the world around you to conform to your answer.... But that makes everything so nice and easy! And thinking is so hard! Just consider. Put your faith blindly in Jesus Christ. You can stop thinking! Life will be good. Now everyone hold hands in a circle and sing Kumbaya.
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Can any Christian explain Jesus Christ's teachings on objective ethics working without trust that an indirect authority can define what is and is not objectively ethical? .... Furthering this point: is this faith being placed in the lord, or ultimately in the men who wrote of him?
You'll find if you look, that very deep thinkers have argued and discussed this question at length. I can tell you the short story on my view, which is that religions, including the bible, are the tools tyrants use to get what they want from people. Lying, as you call it, and myth/myth building are really not the same thing. The key word in your statement is tyrant. For some reason I feel a Hitler reference could fit here. Oh wait no Bible used there.... Unfortunately, yes they did have Bibles.... The subjugation of religion as a tool of the State is exactly what Ayn Rand warned about. Here's another look at what man can do to man, our old friend Sgt. MacKensie. It's in the old style of talk from what was our neighbors in Scotland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPr9g3EVz-o
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