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14361  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dept. of Homeland Security Prepares for November Food Stamp Riots? on: October 29, 2013, 02:38:18 PM
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The Department of Homeland Security is spending $80 million on a wrath of armed guards to protect the IRS and other government buildings in New York, not from terrorist threats mind you, but from American citizens and non-citizens because on November 1st the food stamp program is set to start decreasing the amount that is allocated to food stamp recipients… and they’re worried that violence will ensue.

I guess they’re preparing for the worst…

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Minor correction made....
14362  Other / Politics & Society / Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA on: October 29, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
I am not sure why the idea of 'a box' is necessary as these functions would preferably be built right into devices.  And the entire OS in a router can be replaced with something like Tomato.

I love Tomato.  I actually installed it first when I was trying to keep our wireless net up and available to all the tenants in my loft and get rid of the idiot on another floor who was not only sucking up bandwidth but getting me hit with threat letters from porn companies because of his unusual predilections.  Also passwords weren't working because despite stern admonitions, people just gave out the password to anyone in the building.  Bans by MAC address worked, though (someone who was less of an idiot would have worked around that but there were other ways), and redirects to a website on the server itself with Johnny Cash flipping them off and a "PAY FOR YOUR OWN INTERNET YOU THIEF" did the trick.

Also I was able to identify the idiot and redirect the porn-scum lawyers to him personally (as well as get his credit card numbers SSN etc. but I deleted that).
Cool story!

Side note, Tomato could be extended to encompass a lot of the functions that McAffee talks about, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist alongside his box.  He'd probably like that...
14363  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Does Anyone Else Believe In Jesus Christ ? on: October 29, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
I grew up learning about Jesus from my family and they were always obsessed with the second coming. Once you've believed that for so long, picturing Jesus shooting from the sky on a fiery chariot, you kind've slack on life, at least some of my family did. Couldn't embrace the rapture element...
A fiery CHARIOT?

Aw come on.

At least let's give him a 1968 Camaro, yellow with black stripes, twin  turbocharged.
14364  Other / Politics & Society / Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA on: October 29, 2013, 11:56:34 AM
Discuss:  Is the guy still high on drugs or will he save the internet?

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.  

Also, he's not talking about the Internet necessarily, but a local network that may or may not have a gateway to the larger global Internet, or may connect to other networks in some sort of an internet, or both.  Mesh networking has been an idea for a while, and should have strong encryption built in at the hardware or firmware level.  What's lacking is a ubiquitous, popular box that is so common that it won't stand out to be transmitting such signals in public (or that disguises itself as more mundane traffic).
if such a box had built in functions that encouraged different means of accomplishing ends, though, that would be huge.  For example, it might encourage peer to peer email, destroying current server based email systems. 

It might store entirely or partly, the last billion google searches, and disassociate search with user id.

I am not sure why the idea of 'a box' is necessary as these functions would preferably be built right into devices.  And the entire OS in a router can be replaced with something like Tomato.



14365  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IRS Bulletin Shows Admin Knew You Couldn’t Keep Your Plan In 2010 on: October 29, 2013, 11:46:44 AM
http://www.irs.gov/irb/2010-29_IRB/ar08.html#d0e479

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Reliable data are scant, but a variety of studies indicate that between 40 percent and 67 percent of policies are in effect for less than one year. Although data on changes in benefit packages comparable to that for the group market is not readily available, the high turnover rates described here would dominate benefit changes as the chief source of changes in grandfather status.
Abundant data exists that....

Obama lied, and the health plans died.
14366  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Does Anyone Else Believe In Jesus Christ ? on: October 29, 2013, 11:36:18 AM
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oh sure, and we will probably simulate universes on computers in the future, and those universes will probably develop life and that life will build computers that simulate universes on into infinity and that is a pretty good argument for the fact that our universe was probably simulated in such a manner. if you want to call the scientists who created our universe gods, than yea ok there is a reasonable chance that god or gods are real. That doesn't meet my criteria for god though. And of course none of that is faith based, i think its a pretty decent and logically consistent argument. if you want to call such beings gods, than it sure as hell is a better argument for the existence of gods than, "well i just have faith".
It does not follow that 'universes can be simulated on computers', because there you encounter the problem of resolution of the simulated universe.  Perhaps you might use a granularity of 1 centimeter.  But that wouldn't resolve a person very well, and would not give him much of a brain.  So ideally, you'd use a resolution of a subatomic particle.  You'd need as much memory for your computer as the total sum of subatomic particles....at that point the particles clearly have the advantage, as opposed to the simulation.

If we argue for the existence of a consciousness-dense universe, then using the prior assertions it is required to recognize that all of that consciousness came to be after the big bang.  Another common concept for a god is something/someone that stands outside the process of the creation of the universe, who was there 'before the big bang'.  This to me is a question that does not have to be answered since dimensionality and the arrow of time did not exist before the big bang.  The question is improperly constructed.

14367  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Does Anyone Else Believe In Jesus Christ ? on: October 29, 2013, 03:07:15 AM
....is there anything wrong with this statement? -> "i believe that i am". if not than, using the socratic method, i think it could be used to break your claim "Both the terms belief, and faith imply that evidence is not used in the decision process."

I think Christians might look at things such as the wonders of life as 'evidence', but with exceptions of some of them who are idiots and misunderstand their own faith, they are basically, 'the faithful'.

Faith, and belief, are central issues.  "evidence", is secondary or tertiary...

Yes, there is a lot wrong with the statement "I believe that I am."  Let me correct it to "I am."
14368  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Does Anyone Else Believe In Jesus Christ ? on: October 29, 2013, 03:02:29 AM
I only believe in things that have good evidence and/or logcally consistent arguments to back them up, i have not yet encountered such evidence and/or logically consistent arguments for any religion. I am however uncompromisingly open minded so if you felt so inclined as to share with me the evidence and/or arguments that convinced you, and if the evidence evidence is good and/or the arguments are sound than i'll certainly climb on board.
Sure I will explain my point of view.  For the largest part I hold to be an atheist, and I am not particularly interested in the 'jesus christ was he real, etc' issue of western philosophy.

Today many think we approach a technological singularity, and some style of intelligent machines.  I think this is reasonable if we give it 50-100 years, instead of the 2025 date that's often quoted.  We know some of the consequences of that type of an event.  They may be summarized as, after the initial spark of consciousness, growth of that entity's knowledge and understanding and capability in terms of doublings per millisecond.  The generally accepted statement is that "We don't know what the world will be like 24 hours later."

Having noted these ideas, I would conjecture that we're not the first or only intelligent species to have existed in the several cycles of stellar evolution in the universe.  And there would have been other, prior technological singularities.  This implies that the universe is what might be called 'intelligence and consciousness rich'.  I think that's a reasonable view - if you like, consider it faith based.  But it doesn't have much to do with religions as they have existed historically, does it?

The opposite end of the spectrum, and what I would call the "19th century mechanistic atheist view", is that man is alone, as far as the evidence shows.  This viewpoint reminds me of what Galileo fought against.

The universe DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THE EARTH.

lol...
14369  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 29, 2013, 02:49:34 AM
That doesn't mean you can move energy/matter from one space to another. If I create that lead sphere and take it into the vacuum of space, I didn't destroy energy, air, or photons inside it, I just let them espace into the surrounding areas. Also, if you say that there is no such thing as nothing, that would mean the energy of the universe is infinite, and that either the universe has existed for ever, or that light travels faster than the speed of light. So that no matter how far you go, you will always have energy and matter. But we know that's now true. We know that the universe was created 13.8 billion years ago, and we know that light travels at a limited speed, so we know that there is absolutely nothing farther than 13.8 billion light years away. There is a limit boundary to the universe, and if you travel faster than the speed of light to get past that boundary, eventually you will get to a space where no matter, energy, light, or universe exists.....

That's pretty well stated to express the concept (which exists actually in math, not in words) but let me point out one thing.

You won't get to a space where 'no matter, energy, light, or universe exists'.  That implies movement and dimensionality, and where it is not, it simply is not. 

Cosmology does not embrace infinity.  Has not for some time...
14370  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Does Anyone Else Believe In Jesus Christ ? on: October 29, 2013, 02:42:44 AM
I'm uncompromisingly open minded. If you can show me good evidence than I'll climb on board. So what is your evidence?
Evidence for what?Huh

If you refer to 'a belief in Jesus Christ' then you refer to a faith based dogma.  Both the terms belief, and faith imply that evidence is not used in the decision process.

I would note here that a personal stand based on faith/belief can be much, much stronger than one based on 'evidence'.

IIRC Jesus himself scorned those who demanded 'proof' and who could not or would not take matters on faith.  Not in the mood to go look it up, but the question posed was not his nature as 'son of god or man/god'.  Rather the question would have been related to 'the Creator' or such.

14371  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Does Anyone Else Believe In Jesus Christ ? on: October 29, 2013, 02:28:01 AM
Jesus may have existed, but it's likely he wasn't called Jesus until later, nor did he perform magic......

If there existed a man named Jesus Christ who was not the Jesus Christ pictured in the Bible, then who do we believe in, an ordinary man we know nothing about, or an allegory?

Look, I'm basically athiest (but not the stupid mechanistic-naturalist 19th century type).  There are a lot of errors in this thread so bear with me for two pp.

Historians mostly agree there was a guy named Jesus.  There are a few written references from the old texts.  Historians mostly agree the 4 books of the new testament "gospels" were written between 200 and 400  years AD - they are not by his disciples.  The older books (like Mark) show more of a straight account of events, the newer ones (John) show much more mythology.  Over time, more and more mythology got added in.

So yes, you are being asked to believe in the largely mythological character.  However, there are a lot of Christians who do not believe in the supernatural aspects of this shit.  They don't think Jesus did miracles and they don't think he rose from the dead.  They simply think something like, there is a lot of wisdom in the bible and much to learn from it, even though it has errors.
14372  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fort Hood soldiers say Army warned them off tea party, Christian groups on: October 29, 2013, 02:19:05 AM
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The Army is warning not only from Christian groups but Muslim groups and Buddhist groups to, I am sure...
No, you are not sure of that.  



Yes, I am sure I was being cynical.

What has to be understood is that IF there were references to radical Muslims, don't associate with them, ETC (we know that was not the case because we have knowledge of how Major Hasad was treated)....

....You have a case where evangelical Christians are actually being equalized as extreme and radical alongside radical Muslims.

And we all know the differences between the two.  They are not remotely similar.  One turns the other cheek, the other massacres innocent people.
14373  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fort Hood soldiers say Army warned them off tea party, Christian groups on: October 29, 2013, 12:28:39 AM
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The Army is warning not only from Christian groups but Muslim groups and Buddhist groups to, I am sure...
No, you are not sure of that. 

14374  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Marine Corps Shoots Down Unisex Caps on: October 28, 2013, 10:01:59 PM
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I mean evangelical Christians are enemies of reason.
Naw, that's not close to true.  What you likely mean to say is that they reason as well as anyone else on a thousand subjects.  Best place to eat, where to buy cheap stuff, how to balance a bank account, on and on.  But they don't reason the way you'd prefer on the subject of religion.  But even there there is ridiculously wide diversity in thought and behavior.  So we need to ascribe your assertion to the 'true evangelical Christian'.

He lives in a little cottage in the woods with the True Scotsman...

Smiley

PS:  The "True Scotsman" refers to an error in logic.

But suppose you were in a position to influence who the soldiers interact with.  You in your heart, know that fundamentalist Christians and Tea Party groups are very, very wrong.  You sincerely believe that.  (suppose this is  true for a second)

Would it influence your behavior in telling the soldiers how to behave?  If so, why?  Why not other groups? 
14375  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Flying saucers: non-existent, brought here by aliens, or made in U.S.A? on: October 28, 2013, 09:54:59 PM
Two shot down from the sky, actually one was going up from the ground.  They both glowed yellow and then the field went away and showed metallic saucers.  A bunch appeared in the sky out of no where and we were driving down the highway so I took my iphone out to record it. Tongue  This was a dream though.

But yes, they are a higher form of technology that harnesses the power of infinite energy.  I can't say if they were brought externally from aliens, but the government is ran by aliens so either way they were developed by aliens.  I have only seen an conscious orb, on Christmas, my whole family saw it, it was a quite bright red/orange and moved against the wind.  It was a nice present.

Aliens may not be what you think though.  Aliens are multidimensional beings that have chosen to leave the higher dimensions for earth by will, such as I.  We are all multidimensional beings, though some have reincarnated many past lives on earth like planets, some have found their soul and ascended to higher realms of vibration.  We all are destined to become aliens one day as we all ascend to the realms of the fifth dimension.

That's my take on aliens after seeing a shapeshifter drive by my friends house, wait for me to leave, block off the road in front of me and then drive by me slowly as a figure of someone I know (and I know would not be in my neighborhood or a government impala) with the window mostly down.

It was pretty weird but surprisingly didn't bother by then.
It's the cattle prods and the long pointy things they have you need to worry about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQTESr6BC8
14376  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I found a Christian I actually agree with on: October 28, 2013, 05:33:31 PM
There are a sizable minority of Christians that have something like this in world view.  I have a suspicion it is based more on a person's fundamental character traits than anything else.

Convert a jerk, he becomes a Christian jerk....etc.

Tell me about it; my Catholic stepfather is the most abusive piece of trash to walk this earth, and yet he is God-fearing and Christ-following etc., goes to church and prays and all the other religious nonsense.

If it's true that some people simply cannot be as Christ, Christianity becomes a moot point; why bother practicing the religion when the fundamental point of practicing Christianity cannot be accomplished?  ....
You ain't seen nothing.

Try some Muslim jerks.
14377  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Marine Corps Shoots Down Unisex Caps on: October 28, 2013, 05:28:08 PM
...back on topic...

 
  “The American public should be outraged that the U.S. Army is teaching our troops that evangelical Christians and tea party members are enemies of America and that they can be punished for supporting or participating in those groups,” Mr. Berry said, in Fox News. “These statements about evangelicals being domestic enemies are a serious charge.”


So are they enemies of America?

Well, they are enemies of reason... Cheesy
Who is enemy of whose reason?

I submit that for every flaw in reason you may see in their group(s) I can find one in yours.

Let's start with the recent attempt by the Admin to display its 'reason'.

ATTACK SYRIA NOW!!!
14378  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue (In the USA) on: October 28, 2013, 01:37:17 PM
Heh...such an intrusion into our privacy could one day become the first step toward privatization of the roads.
Here's a thought.  Since bitcoin enables semi-anonymous transactions, micropayments for road usage are in fact possible without tracing the car or driver and without any government database.

All drivers need bitcoin.

A driver would set out on a section of road, placing a square bar code on his dash.  The system camera reads it and has authority to charge small amounts.  Then as he passes checkpoints the system docks the public key by incremental amounts, say 0.50 USD in bitcoin.  At the end of his drive, he's been billed say 3.50 in a half dozen transactions.

The way to sell this to the government agency would be to emphasize that their profit would be higher and their costs lower.

For discussion purposes let's say no license plate scanning is done except if the square bar code is not there or is not readable or does not have money.  In these cases the plate is scanned so a bill can be sent in the mail.


14379  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Marine Corps Shoots Down Unisex Caps on: October 28, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
.....some complain it exudes a feminine air, despite being named for an especially bellicose Marine. And a change in design would have cost the Corps an estimated $6.9 million, according to a Marines spokesman.
so Obama does want the marines to wear girlie caps.

Maybe his old boyfriend likes them?

ROFL...

Reggie Love broke up with Obama? How sad.
Glad we figured that out.

Now, back on topic...

  “The American public should be outraged that the U.S. Army is teaching our troops that evangelical Christians and tea party members are enemies of America and that they can be punished for supporting or participating in those groups,” Mr. Berry said, in Fox News. “These statements about evangelicals being domestic enemies are a serious charge.”


So are they enemies of America?
14380  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Don’t ally with libertarians: Ideologues co-opt an anti-NSA rally on: October 28, 2013, 12:19:30 PM
I was trying to discover the point of this article and finally came across it here because the guy does rant on a bit and doesn't really offer any particular points aside from the snide sarcasm and patronising behaviour I've come to know and love from government loyalists.

Quote
That’s because it is their philosophy. And in a progressive, civil libertarian coalition to advance the cause of privacy and limited government surveillance, this form of “I’ve got mine” nihilism has no place.

I refuse to call these people called Social Democrats or any other label they give themselves because they would gladly sacrifice their core beliefs .....

I did the same thing, trying to find the point of the article.  It's clearer - the total confusion in the mind of the writer - if you include his preceeding sentence.

As Lind notes,
“While progressives betray their principles when they apologize for autocracy, libertarians do not.”   That’s because it is their philosophy. And in a progressive, civil libertarian coalition to advance the cause of privacy and limited government surveillance, this form of “I’ve got mine” nihilism has no place.


WTF?Huh
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