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1461  Other / Off-topic / Re: Keeping your gambling habit a secret. on: October 28, 2023, 04:47:42 PM
I think things like this are just a little different in perspective and understanding, because some people gamble just to relieve stress or just for entertainment, so such people would never think about making a lot of profit through gambling. But for some people who already consider gambling stalls as a place to make money, these people might accept something very different because they will never make a lot of money unless they become the bookie. Because once you win, you will definitely become addicted to continuing to play so that the person will forget to manage their time and finances when doing anything.
If more people gambled just to relieve stress or just for entertainment, the rate of gambling addiction would not be any higher. Unfortunately, there are still many people who have thoughts of making money from gambling, so they still gamble with the desire to make money. These people gamble secretly because there is a response from the people around them who think that people who gamble will have a bad impact. And when they gamble secretly, they can become addicted to gambling if they don't have good self-control. And it is true what you said that once a person wins, he will become addicted, and it may not be visible for a short time, but it will become apparent in the long run. So be careful if you want to gamble secretly. Make sure you have good self-control to avoid gambling addiction.
1462  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Credit card gambling fuels gambling addiction on: October 28, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
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There are no specifications where credit cards can be used and that's why we are responsible for whatever we use our credit card to do provided that we willingly used it. There is an option to to connect one's credit card to his gambling account thereby making the person not to deposit money again in the account but to gamble while every needed funds is withdrawn from the debit card. I think it's unwise to use connect our credits cards to our gambling account as it'll increase the chances of gambling beyond our initial budget.
Yes, that's true. With all the convenience that we can get from a credit card, it will only make us forget to control the use of the credit card, even if we use the credit card for gambling. This will be very risky for us because if we forget or lose control while gambling, we can use the money provided by the credit card to continue gambling. And because of the temptation of gambling, we can continue to gamble, which will make us have to pay a large bill at the end of the month. So it is not recommended to use a credit card or debit card because the convenience provided can make us complacent and ultimately unable to control the use of the card.
1463  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ever heard about financing a gambler? on: October 28, 2023, 03:49:21 PM
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That's why I never want to gamble with friends or other people around me. For me, friends should only be enough outside of gambling, so I always differentiate that when I'm with my friends, it's better to sit back and relax with them while drinking coffee and chatting, but for I probably don't want to gamble with them even though they are actually gamblers, that's why I prefer to gamble alone at home.

I always refuse my friend's invitation if I want to gamble at a physical casino out there or play gambling together, usually I will find an excuse for him not to invite me, unless my friend asks me to go out to just drink coffee and chat I will accept his invitation, the point is I really Avoid gambling with my friends because it can prevent my friends from borrowing money from me, let alone asking me to finance the gambling that my friends want.
I prefer to gamble alone rather than with my friends, even though my friends often invite me to gamble. But at that time, I could control myself not to gamble too much, and mostly, I sat and drank soft drinks and watched them play. Besides, if one of us wins, he has to pay for the soft drink, hahaha.

I prefer to gather with friends and drink coffee and chat because it can provide a different atmosphere of intimacy between all of us. Besides, we can chat about many things without hiding anything because we are all close friends. So none of us borrow money to gamble because we don't want any problems that might arise later.
1464  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: October 28, 2023, 03:18:36 PM
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It’s essential for the gambler to increase the time for other activities and reduce the time on gambling was the important one to reduce the gambling addiction.He can go the gym for the morning and evening,So the gambler will be physically fit along with the daily activities.The starting to spend time on the gym was hard,later it become a regular activity for the gambler.The gambler also spend time on the cricket ground with their friends,both this reduce the gambling addiction and increase the fitness of the gambler.When the gambler engaged in the physical activity,he get tied and forced to sleep at the rest of time.
Spending time in the gym, on the cricket field, or any other activity at all times can reduce his gambling addiction and also improve his physical fitness so that it will also give him freshness throughout the day when he can do other activities. It can help him to reduce his gambling activities, and if he can do it regularly, his gambling activities will reduce drastically, and he will not keep thinking about gambling. These things can help him divert his attention towards gambling so that he won't lose more money, and maybe he can even find a new hobby that can keep him busy with all his activities.
1465  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 28, 2023, 02:41:18 PM
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Keep playing instead of stopping while you already have some decent amount of winnings will be the beginning of your too much engagement with gambling, like what you have said, there are different reasons on why gamblers choose to play, either to earn money or to earn entertainment, but most of those who got engage forget about entertainment as they drive their self into the deeper side of this activity and become addicted.
If we continue gambling when we already have a lot of money from winnings, maybe we won't be able to enjoy the winnings, and there will only be a chance of losing, which might take all the winnings. And if that happens, we might only regret it because of our stupid actions in continuing to gamble rather than choosing to stop and enjoy the winnings. We have to be wise so that when we have won and earned enough money, we can stop gambling because we can gamble again another day. And it's worth it for us to stop gambling because we don't gamble anymore after winning.
1466  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: October 28, 2023, 02:23:11 PM
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There is no other reason why I don't think or even agree that anyone can achieve success in gambling because as you said, the risks that are there are very large, and on the other hand there is no guarantee of anything to always succeed. So logically can you measure how far you have come in the process of achieving success in gambling? I'm sure it's difficult to measure, because for example you have reached the 80% point to success if at that time you lose and defeat continues to dominate then you have to go back to crawling from the beginning of the journey? Obviously it makes no sense, this will only waste your time and money, because there is absolutely no guarantee, let alone to get rich, to get a victory is very difficult and if it happens at most only occasionally from dozens of times your experiment.

So please don't overdo it and don't overemphasize that you or anyone else can be successful in gambling, fearing that some people who see this discussion and read that "there is success in gambling" they could be motivated by this statement and this is very dangerous and high risk. So it is better to gamble properly, as you said just for fun and nothing more than that. It's better than going overboard and getting your hopes up for something that has absolutely no guarantees and is all about luck.
It is indeed difficult to measure it because achieving success in gambling requires many things, and therefore, we who are just ordinary gamblers do not need to try because otherwise, we will take a big risk. After all, it has something to do with the money we have. And you are right that if we lose and experience more defeats, we will crawl back from the beginning, so it will only be a waste of our money and time when we should be able to use our time to do other things or work that might provide that success. By trying other jobs, we have more chances of making money than losing money, so it will be more feasible if you can make more money from your work.

Yes, you are right, and I feel guilty for saying that, so I am sorry. Well, they should not try too hard in gambling and never think about trying to achieve success in gambling. They should try to find another job that is more promising than gambling. Gambling excessively will only result in more losses, so we all need to reduce the use of money to avoid losing a lot.
1467  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why gambling beginners must not joke with casino announcement on: October 28, 2023, 01:54:18 PM
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The gamblers with more knowledge will read the entire rules of the gambling sites and they were ready to build the game based on the new rules to the gambling site.Only the new people will not read the rules and start to loss their money in the gambling sites.If you are using the casino for the longer period,it’s your responsibility to mange the rules and new announcement to the casino sites.It’s essential for the gambler to use the new rules in the upcoming game to avoid of loss of funds because of not following the rules.
We can only advise new or novice gamblers to read the rules at the casino so that they know what they can and cannot do while they are gambling and when they want to withdraw their money. But if they still don't want to follow what we suggest, that's up to them because we can't force them to do what we suggest. By reading all the rules, they will understand and will not try to break them because it could cause their gambling account to experience problems and could be frozen by the casino.
1468  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Learning from those who have experience on: October 28, 2023, 01:39:47 PM
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I agree that even after doing everything one can get addicted again if spending time with other addicts or in an addictive environment. This applies to anyone who has been addicted and is at risk of becoming addicted again. A very interesting thing that is missing in real life and attracts gamers is the ability to start over in case of damage. It will take time to get better but with good treatment gambling addiction can regain control along with that there will be an opportunity to regain the lost honor meaning social establishment profession.
A person must really be able to take care of himself and not hang out with friends who still often gamble because if not, everything he does could fail, and he won't be able to heal himself properly. He will end up gambling again, and this time, he could be worse than before because he is back to his previous self. They must be able to distance themselves from friends who gamble for any reason because it is also for their own good so that the healing process can be successful. After they recover, they will not be tempted to return to gambling again.
1469  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Relying on gamble wins is dangerous to mental health on: October 28, 2023, 01:12:34 PM
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Every gambler definitely has high expectations of being able to win, but sometimes gambling doesn't go according to our expectations, causing deep disappointment, and it's true as you said, it's better if we don't have too high expectations for gambling so that we don't experience disappointment. and gambling should indeed be used to have fun without expecting to win so that we can enjoy round after round of games that we like but still use limits so that we can stop when the money we use to gamble has run out without having to chase losses.
It is normal for every gambler to have expectations, but what is not natural is if every gambler does not realize that their chances of winning are not that big, they will not continue gambling and just have fun at gambling. If they were aware of it and could limit their gambling, they would not try to live up to their expectations because it is very difficult for them. They will only try to gamble moderately and just let luck come to them and not chase victory. If they win, they know that it is time for them to end the gambling game so that they don't lose too much.
1470  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Possible measures to stop online gambling addiction. on: October 28, 2023, 12:38:04 PM
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Better to do something that will keep yourself busy, I agree with physical activities since not just your body but also your brain will be used and with that, thinking back again in things that related to gambling may not be present as like what you say, possible that since the body is tired what the brain wants is to let that body to rest..

Giving that time to not to think of anything but to rest completely and just do the same thing the following day to stay clear and away from any form of gambling.
I agree with keeping ourselves busy by doing something related to physical activity so that our minds will not think about gambling, so we can focus more on doing that activity. When we are very tired, our brain will not be able to tell the body to do anything else, and what we need at that time is to rest and sleep so that we can do other physical activities the next day.

If we can do it regularly for some time, I think the brain can refresh and clean out everything related to gambling so that it is replaced with other interesting things. And slowly, there will be changes felt by the gambler or at least the people closest to him can see that he still has a chance to cure himself of his gambling addiction.
1471  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think if you have a lot of money its hard to satisfy your ego in gambling on: October 27, 2023, 09:12:53 PM
Having a lot of money will only satisfy our ego if we want to get more. Humans are greedy and will never have enough of what they have and will still try to chase to get more. Only awareness can tell us that we have gambled enough and it is time to stop gambling. After all, we've bet a lot of money that other people wouldn't be able to. But if people continue to gamble with many people, they will only be able to stop once their ego is satisfied. And if we ask when can his ego be satisfied? No one will know because it depends on each person. And if they experience a lot of losses and even go bankrupt, they will not stop but may borrow money from other people to recover their losses.
1472  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: He Used Our Wedding Savings to Play Bet on: October 27, 2023, 04:34:10 PM
it's quite sad to see this woman how she saved her money to get married but in the end the money was spent by her future husband. this case teaches us that sometimes trusting people with our money is not good because they could betray our trust and never gamble with other people's money, savings for education, health, or other important things.
So you mean we shouldn't trust our parents, family, wife/husband because they can betray our trust? not really sure if you've married or not, but I can't imagine when you've married, you still treat your wife as a stranger and not completely trust her.

It's already a risk if you want to have a relationship with other people, unless you're not want to marry anyone, you will 100% free and not disappointed with your spouse.
Before we get married, we have to make sure our current partner is someone we have been waiting for and can be our life partner. No one is perfect, but at least we can see what people are like so we don't make the wrong choice. However, when we are married, we must trust our partner, and with clear communication, we can understand and support each other to achieve our goals together. Hopefully, there will be no cases like what happened to this woman and her fiancé. And whether he still wants to continue the marriage or whether he finally cancels the marriage.
1473  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How often is your luck in gambling? on: October 27, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
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Yes, especially if you win a lottery with a big prize, you should look for a financial advisor to manage your winnings properly, sometimes there are lottery gamblers who win big but they come back broke and poor again after spending their money for fun without control, that's why a financial advisor is important to manage winning money in lottery gambling, especially if the amount is quite large.

You don't have to bet anymore, buy lottery tickets, just rest, enjoy life, look for fun with winning money, of course it must be limited and controlled by a financial advisor or if you can manage the money yourself, that's better, because I saw from previous people's wins, most of them went bankrupt again. after winning a large amount of money in the lottery because they couldn't control their finances properly.
Many lottery gamblers win big but go bankrupt and poor again because they cannot manage their winnings well. That is a big mistake that should not happen to us because we already know that having big winnings can also tempt us to forget ourselves so that we cannot manage the winnings well. Hiring a financial advisor is recommended, especially now that we can pay the bill if they have completed what we need to do so we can immediately start managing our financial money.

Getting big winnings from the lottery or other gambling games can help our family's finances improve because we can make good plans for the future. We can also immediately carry out these plans without difficulty, and with the winning money, we can also prepare everything to have a different life in the future. But unfortunately, it's as easy as it says because not everyone can immediately plan their future with their winnings. Most people will be dazzled by the winning money and buy things they have wanted for a long time without thinking about changing their future.
1474  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Spirituality and Betting - Do they Have any Connection? on: October 27, 2023, 03:43:23 PM
It seems that God plays a role in the win or loss that we experience, and that is our life's destiny that has been written. Instead of talking about matters of faith in gambling, it is better for us to directly place a bet and turn the button or determine the amount of money and bet. Perhaps we will never reach an agreement about whether faith has anything to do with gambling because perhaps some people don't want to mix gambling with religion. Some people even say that gambling is prohibited in religion, some people say that there is no need for faith to gamble, and others.
1475  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: October 27, 2023, 03:22:06 PM
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Well maybe so and also yes everyone may have a different view on this gambling, but for myself honestly I really don't understand and don't believe if there really is a successful gambler. I would ask, did they really become rich as a result of gambling purely? What gambling or based on what they do? Sports-based gambling yes I understand skills can really help you to increase the chances of winning but in the end it still still refers to luck and will not always be lucky too, meaning defeat will definitely be there. And maybe I will believe that success is not in the sense of being comprehensive but "success in winning gambling on one occasion", and the rest of the time defeat will dominate. And besides that I would say that anyone can be successful with real evidence if they are "the bookie themselves, or own the casino", that's all. Perhaps your assumption is correct, meaning that there may be some gamblers who manage to become successful and they hide their success because they may be a little ashamed of their achievements that turned out to be only from gambling.
I don't really understand, but it seems like some successful gamblers really get rich from gambling. But they will not easily say that their wealth was obtained from gambling. They better hide it from many people so they can enjoy what they get from gambling. It is better to hide their identity as successful gamblers because if not, later, many people will ask them to teach them what successful gamblers know so they can become successful gamblers in the future. And I agree that if people want to achieve success from gambling, they should create their own casinos because the casinos are the ones who will make more money than the gamblers.

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Honestly on the other hand I just heard that there are people who can succeed in something that is based on luck. For myself I don't have any goals in gambling let alone a successful career, because I know it's not the right place for a long process and also maybe it will only create a lot of financial problems in my life,, and yes maybe I will gamble with the aim and intention of seeking entertainment only, it will not be more than that. And maybe out there like you said there are some people who are struggling to become successful in gambling, I don't mind it because it's everyone's right as long as they are truly responsible for everything that will happen to them later. On the other hand, if I want to be successful and rich in gambling then I will not become a gambler but will open my own casino and gain a lot of profit from people who lose. Regarding control and some other limits are indeed very important in gambling, that's what you should always apply so that you don't overdo it and don't end up with addiction, that's right.
For those of us who know that gambling is not a career, we will not think too hard about trying to make money from gambling or become a successful gambler because we know what kind of risks we will face. Rather than experiencing financial difficulties that can impact our family, it is better for us to gamble for fun so that we will not chase wins and know when to stop gambling. We also don't try to rely on gambling to make money because it is very difficult for us to get it. We think it's better if we try to generate income from other, more promising places so that we don't have to lose money. We can only advise people not to play gambling too hard and not try to win because it is not easy. We will never know what will happen to us if we lose a lot of money, but what is clear is that it will disrupt our family's financial position.
1476  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Relying on gamble wins is dangerous to mental health on: October 27, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
Having hope and positive expectations is always a good thing but the expectations should not be too high because luck is not something you can control. Gambling can be a lot of fun but it's very necessary to always approach it with a healthy attitude. It's a game of chance in which there's no guarantee of winning. Unrealistic expectations can lead to disappointment and frustration, so it's best to be mindful of them and remain calm waiting for the outcome of the game than to start planning on how to spend invisible money. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of optimism when you're placing a bet. But it's paramount to keep your expectations realistic and to understand that the odds are not in your favor because your chance of losing is always higher than the chance of winning.
I have a friend who has very high expectations regarding his bets. He told me that he would move his entire family to a developed world when he wins some huge amount of money. I like his expectations and goals but he has a wrong perception about gambling. I have also observed that he is not always happy and sounds depressed sometimes. From all observation, he gambles within his means but his expectations are too high which is affecting his mood. As you observed @knowngunman we should have a reasonable expectation because gambling is unpredictable to avoid mental health issues.
Actually, having expectations about the bet is okay, but we shouldn't have too high hopes because in gambling, we don't have a certain outcome regarding winning, and we also don't know when we can win. So instead of being frustrated by waiting for our winnings to come, it's better for us just to enjoy gambling and always limit the use of money so that we don't lose much money. And that's why we don't need to have too high expectations when playing gambling rather than regretting that our expectations were not achieved.
1477  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Credit card gambling fuels gambling addiction on: October 27, 2023, 02:17:31 PM
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Credit cards have their place, so if for example your car breaks down and right now you do not have the money necessary to pay for the repair bill, you can use your credit card to pay for it and then adjust the budget of the next month and reduce your expenses so you can pay that money before you even have to pay interests on that money.

However very rarely people use their credit cards like this, and instead they use them to buy what they want, so they get too much credit card debt and then it becomes really difficult for them to afford even the minimum payment.
That is an example of the correct use of a credit card because the function of a credit card is to support us when we don't carry cash and can pay using a credit card. But we also need to adjust our credit card usage because otherwise, we could end up paying large credit card bills that we can't afford.

But if people with credit cards use them unwisely, they will experience problems when they have to pay their bills. After all, if we shop less often, we don't need a credit card to buy daily necessities.
1478  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ever heard about financing a gambler? on: October 27, 2023, 01:59:12 PM
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bad behavior and a very bad mindset thinking that borrowing money to fund gamblers or even funding gamblers with personal money is the same as unreasonable behavior and the risk is greater when losing money because we all know and the OP also wrote that gambling is based on luck which is not yet true. of course it can be successful depending on the level of luck, whereas out of 10 bets there will only be 1 lucky bet or even no win at all and this is how gambling works to get profits from its customers but as customers we have to be smart in understanding how this works rather than having a bad mindset make a profit from gambling.

for some reason there are still many people who have thoughts about making a profit from gambling even though that is a difficult scenario to do unless you can understand how arbitrage betting may be a little more certain but still not safe when the risk comes to seize your account and funds.
If they are really lucky, they can win easily, but most gamblers can't get lucky and will only lose at the start of the game. This will only make them more curious and eager to continue gambling, and in the end, they will only lose and lose all their money, including the money they borrowed from us. If so, he cannot return the money, and there is a possibility that he will avoid us. Usually, that happens to friends who borrow money from us, and they will disappear until they think we have forgotten the money they borrowed.

So instead of having small problems like that, we should refuse if someone wants to borrow money to gamble. They can't even guarantee that they can win, and even if they can guarantee it, it can't always happen because it's hard for us to know when we can win.
1479  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why gambling beginners must not joke with casino announcement on: October 27, 2023, 01:45:13 PM
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It's absolutely true that new players almost never read ToS.  And even more so, they don’t read them carefully and understand the intricacies of different points of the rules of playing in a casino.  But it’s probably not worth scolding newcomers for this, because most of them just want to start playing quickly and automatically, without thinking, click the “agree” icon.  Also, of course, newcomers to casino gambling do not place large bets in the first hours of their game.  They still try to play with a smafl amount. 

I, too, when I started gambling, I absolutely remember that I didn’t read any ToS, but just wanted to start playing.  And I kept putting off reading the rules until the next days.  Then I really began to read, and not in its entirety, but individual points that I considered important for me.
If a novice gambler still thinks like that, we can't force them because they will feel it. After all, we only advise that because many of us have experienced it, and we don't want them to experience it too just because of something trivial. Some beginners will want to read the rules until they understand them and contact support if they need help understanding something. This is because they don't want to miss any information in the casino and don't want to experience any problems while gambling at the casino. This is what all novice gamblers must do to avoid the problems other novice gamblers face.

We have had a similar experience where I didn't think to read the rules when I first started gambling. But fortunately, at that time, I didn't use much money and only gambled moderately. And I once gambled with big money but didn't win any winnings.
1480  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: October 27, 2023, 01:21:26 PM
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After the gambler get into the gambling,it was not easy to quit the game.Because the gambler had started to spend the certain time for gambling every day,So he will look for the game at the time period.So if he want to quit the gambling,he should engage himself to other stuff for that time period.The gambler can reduce the gambling slowly by following some steps daily,the important one was spending the gambling using time on other sources and keep you engage at that time.When you successful on spending the gambling time on other sources like playing the other games.So you can easily get away from the gambling.
Yes, just by looking for and doing other activities, the gambler can reduce his gambling activities. If possible, he can try other physical activities that keep him busy all day. This is to make him unable to think about gambling and to keep him away from gambling so that after he finishes all his activities, he cannot do anything else and just wants to rest. He can no longer gamble with his mind and energy exhausted and needs to rest or go straight to sleep. If he can do that activity for a while, he can start to take his mind off gambling, and his plan to stop gambling can work out.

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One tactic is to cut back on your gambling and replace it with other hobbies. Isn't distraction the solution? Engaged in a hobby or other enjoyable activity reduces your likelihood of thinking about gambling. That's how simple it is

When someone is completely absorbed in an activity, their brain releases dopamine, the feel-good hormone. If he's having fun, then that's where he's getting his dopamine fix instead of winning at the casino. Finally, the need to gamble might decrease if he continues with these new endeavors. It's like reprogramming the brain, in a casual, carefree way

And telling of his achievements? Fantastic!  It's like giving back to the community what you have received. He might be an inspiration and a mentor to others through his experience. In this case, everybody wins. Thus, if your goal is to give up gambling, learn from this playbook
I agree with you because by creating a new habit, his mind will be focused on the new activity and start to divert his attention to new things that he may not yet understand. If he starts enjoying the new activity, he will release dopamine, the feel-good hormone and by continuing to do that activity, he can develop a new habit.

If he can make his new activity into a new hobby, he will get new pleasures that are different from gambling so that he can start to forget about gambling and not consider it as a necessity as before.
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