You mad bro? (Sorry couldn't resist.  hihihihi) And yes, people start asking questions when they lose money. That's how it usually is. (Sorry... I couldn't resist either.. yada yada) You proved several times that you are like broken radio. There is only one thing, which matters to you and that thing is the price. You don't care about what VIA is and such. I am losing money as well, but I never cried like you people do. You guys need to calm down and think if you can contribute with something. In the mean time Drak and Todd will do their thing. Yes. And yes, I was asking questions and wanted the answers with links and written responses if there were any. But no, I never whined. |
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People continue to ask same 1-2-3 questions, but IMHO they first need to answer some questions for themselves.
1. Where were you when the price was 71k satoshi? Why didn't you asked questions then?
2. Where were you when Drak asked for suggestions about future of Viacoin wider adoption?
You guys are like broken radio which stuck on one station. Don't you understand that Drak and Todd cannot influence on the price?! They can just work on what they can and when they create something innovative, then people will eventually value it. There are 10s of SHITCOINS, which currently worth more than VIA and do you know why it is? Because of you! When the price is high - it's ok.. no matter if some guys dump it, because some new coin will be launched. It's how the game is played.. I am profiting from shitcoins as well, but ask yourself something. In what exactly way you are protecting coins, which actually matters? Don't you think that eventually there will be no coins to support at all? If you think you can make some difference, and you are VIA holder, why didn't make some actions?
Why do you think Kennedy said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."? I will answer for you: BECAUSE HE'S STUPID AND YOU ARE SMARTER!
You mad bro? (Sorry couldn't resist. hihihihi) And yes, people start asking questions when they lose money. That's how it usually is. |
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The beauty of open source projects is that anyone can participate in taking the project to the next level, not only btcdrak & co. It was not Satoshi who made bitcoin happen - he just layed the groundwork, other people continued and built on top of the foundation.
Via needs something like that exactly. But so far, there's nothing. So we can't really blame the people who invested in this project for getting mad because via isn't really going anywhere. People invested their hard earned money in this. And the only thing that makes this project look good right now is Peter Todd being on board. So imagine if he left... Confidence in this project would plummet faster than it is now. Yes, this is exactly what VIA needs. Viacoin has a bunch of features which can't be found on other blockchains, VIA needs people who are willing to experiment with these features, VIA needs people to build on top of ClearingHouse and VIA blockchain. However, it is not drak's responsibility to 'recruit' people to do this. Drak (along with Todd, etc.), is a developer laying the basis on which others can build applications. We can't really blame Gavin Andresen either, when bitcoin is tanking.  Yes. But so far there's nothing.  That's the whole point. |
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Why the "wars?" Here's what happened: 1) Monero and Dark supporters mostly ignore each other. 2) Dark's Dictator-For-Life suddenly attempts to buy the rights to another Cryptonote coin called Dash, in order to rebrand and shed DRK's reputation as an instamined scam coin for criminals. 3) Many Darkcoiners are upset at being victims of this bait-and-switch fraud, and drama ensues. 4) Amused by the chaos and controversy, Moneroans chime in to the discussion. 5) Feeling picked on in a moment of vulnerablity, Dark-cum-dash-coiners go absolutely mental and fly into a frothy rage. 6) Moneroans laugh at and make fun of at their immaturity and insecurity. 7) Dark-cum-dash-coiners respond to this mockery by closing ranks into a parnoid cult-like formation and use Scientology's 'attack-the-attacker' strategy to seek revenge.  Moneroans enjoy more lulz at the expense of the poor suffering Dark-cum-dash-coiners, who now find themselves being asked uncomfortable questions about obfuscation, instamining, Masternode backdoors, autocratic rebranding, insufficient grounds for trademark grants, and their Bus Factor of one. 9) Dark-cum-dash-coiners grow tired of lavishing attention on visiting posters they have ostensibly ignored and complain this forum "isn't fun" anymore, expressing a desire to take their ball and go home to pout in some obscure venue created exclusively for their groupthink. 10) Moneroans enjoy more lulz. 11) 2/3 of Darkcoin core devs are fired or quit. Vertoe returns to confirm DASH is Digital Trash: darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity.
this currency is lead by a single person.
darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid.
fuck this i tell you.
darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person.
the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing.
the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.
i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous.
you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.
what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?
12) GOTO 10 Where can we view such entertainment? |
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I'm surprised by how many threads people think need to be dedicated to the exact same discussion (or to just promoting Monero).  Seems to be working though... |
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Yeah, before fixating on huge prices in the future, the first question should be along the lines of "when will Bitcoin stop falling?"
it's not falling anymore, we are at 230 rock solid, we didn't fall back to 180, it just that we retuned to a previous value, i dom't want to call this a fall we are at 230 for two months now I will not bet on it. Its at a balance point, but I feel the probability of an upside is less than a fall. Very difficult to say at this point but do not take this staying above 230 for now as a bullish sign. well what you say it could be true, but i'm confident that we are aiming high now or we are just stuck there at 230, i'm fairly sure that it won't fall back under 200 anymorei'm starting to think that we need the block halving to have some breath We'll see. But it doesn't matter what you think will happen because there's a huge chance you can be wrong, no one can predict the market. The more important thing is knowing what to do when the price reaches a certain level. Who cares what you think. Just plan ahead. |
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whoa, is taylor swift a hardcore bitcoiner? maybe it's been taylor swift who has been doing megadumps all over us.
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I think it would be good for the sake of the project. If Drak wants to remain anonymous, at least organize a team of capable people that could take via forward.
I mean, how do we know Drak is capable of taking it to the next level if we don't really know who he is.
The beauty of open source projects is that anyone can participate in taking the project to the next level, not only btcdrak & co. It was not Satoshi who made bitcoin happen - he just layed the groundwork, other people continued and built on top of the foundation.Via needs something like that exactly. But so far, there's nothing. So we can't really blame the people who invested in this project for getting mad because via isn't really going anywhere. People invested their hard earned money in this. And the only thing that makes this project look good right now is Peter Todd being on board. So imagine if he left... Confidence in this project would plummet faster than it is now. |
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Satoshi did not raise 600+ btc.
No, he did not. He mined over 900k btc and vanished. That's a story for another time though. :^) I can't think of any legitimate reason for "investors" to demand any personal info on viacoin developers. It's pointless in my opinion. What would an "investor" benefit from knowing this info? Also, using the term investor in this context is a bit funny, since the presale was in fact... just a presale - a different method of distribution compared to mining from genesis block onward. @ tokeweed: You are allowed to ask and I am allowed to express my views on the topic. I do not care who Satoshi is, it has no significance on bitcoin and blockchain technology. I can understand why some people do care about this stuff though, but it's all a bit silly imo. I think it would be good for the sake of the project. If Drak wants to remain anonymous, at least organize a team of capable people that could take via forward. I mean, how do we know Drak is capable of taking it to the next level if we don't really know who he is. |
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Why do some of you get defensive? I was asking for the sake of asking who Drak is. We all know Peter Todd. So naturally, I would want to know who Drak is.
Is it not allowed to ask? Jesus...
As for Satoshi Nakamoto, yes I would also like to know who he is. Who doesn't... right?
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There's absolutely nothing positive, not one thing, in being anonymous in a project based on the trust and confidence of its investors. Nothing positive, for those investors, that is.
I don't see how this project is based on the trust and confidence of investors. Care to elaborate? Also: Satoshi Nakamoto? Satoshi Nakamoto is proven to be trustworthy. |
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Much faster than you can imagine
I have a feeling that when everyone is ready, the next wave will be much larger than the previous two wave. When daily coin supply becomes less and less, and the capital in the play is getting larger and larger, a fireworks party is approaching
Unlike last two times, the advance was mainly caused by technology advancement, the next wave will be driven by combined mining technology improvement and credit expansion when bitcoin can be mortgaged through ETF
Indeed. We should start seeing price movements in late 2015, or early 2016, just before the halving. If the ETF pops up in the meantime, we should definitely see it. Who knows where the price will stop at though. We should just be patient as always. If yes, when?
Yes. When Willybot 2.0 is online. No necessarily. Although that had potential back then, even though we do not know exactly what happened.
True. We do not know exactly. It's a good idea that we should because there was clearly price manipulation that went on at the end of 2013. It was somethng that would set alarm bells if the SEC were regulating cryptos. ... Not that I would mind it happening again. . I hope it does. |
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And come to thnk of it... How naive are we? At Ripple they have a bunch of guys who are good in their respective fields in computer science, finance and government, and yet Ripple is still having difficulty in getting network adoption going. What more via?
Who are the people behind via besides Peter Todd and Drak? And what is Drak's real name?
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I think the superior altcoins he is referring are XPY and LTC  Dashcoin? It still relies on bitcoin for a price By superior, I think he meant tech superiority. Although there really are some out there, it is debatable. |
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You really believe what they write in the WSJ? That shit is like entertainment for finance guys. Most of what they print are laughable and the authors are nothing but talking heads. And ordinary people like us suck on it like it's the info to have to help us achieve financial indpendence. LOL And that's a blog btw... The writer/s prolly bought some at these levels and are hyping bitcoin, then dump them for easy profit. You know the usual... |
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I was thinking about this, what if the US Dollar crashes like speculated by many renowned economists around the world?
What will be it's affects on the beloved currency, BTC?
By crash, you mean really crash? The whole world economy will crash bringing everything with it... including bitcoin. |
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5.- I anticipate, at the risk of not being right, that Drak will announce any time now that he has contracted the services of a PR firm. This will mean NOTHING at all, except the waste of a significant amount of money. Specifically, it will mean that such PR Firm will send a few press releases to publication in the PC industry and that some of them will actually publish/post those releases (that no one, no one whatsoever ever reads).
Lol. That's what they do in the penny stock game. These phony companies hire PR firms to hype their stock. Hopefully Drak won't use such practices to exploit the community. |
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Op, has the right sense of where its going or headed.
I feel the same way with all the alt coins pump and dump, but theres way too many of these now. We have like 100`s of alt coins, and also again with the non stop scam etc which makes btc less trustable.
My friend who I introduced bitcoin got scammed not long ago, luckily it was too much. But, he told me after grabbing lunch with him, because of that experience he prob just watch bitcoin and explained no point on buying the damn thing.
I almost had an argument with the guy, but I can see why.
Try to put yourself in his shoes... He doesn't really need bitcoin, unless he wants to buy some and hold it for a while, hoping it will go to the moon. |
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I'm thinking something significant will happen to force the price upwards at some point this year and it'll be well on its way upward before most even know what is going on. People have forgotten how insane this market can be when it wants to change.
Hopefully this is the case but we have seen some good news recently that should have raised the price and it is still the stuck, which i might add is not a big deal to me because i have time to get some more end of the month. I am one who has forgot the insanity that this market can bring i have actually found it quite boring recently. OP i think we will see it again but not any time soon and i believe if it comes it will be legit so will be exciting times. It could take decades. Take at the max chart of the Nikkei. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5En225+interactive#%7B%22range%22%3A%22max%22%2C%22scale%22%3A%22linear%22%7DSeeing that, it sure is possible BTC could follow the same fate. How often do we have a revolutionary design like bitcoin come around though? also as been said before its only going to take a few years for bitcoin to develop to its full potential. Either way im hodling. The blockchain is revolutionary, yes. But this is also the open market and btc is traded in that market. By all means, hold. I fail to say how you can compare that chart with Bitcoins can you explain how you feel that it could share the same fate so that might help me understand what you mean by this? I see nothing that could give you that idea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikkei_225 They could not be further apart you can't compare the 2 except they can be brought and sold you may as well plucked up a random graph or is that what you done. Bitcoin is here for the first time there is nothing you or anyone else can do to sway that, especially someone who asked if that is a good idea to short at 240  You're right. You know better. That example with the Nikkei is given a lot in trend following lectures as it shows that anything is possible in an open market. So there's certainly that possibility that bitcoin could stay under 300usd for longer than we think. And do not forget the primary catalyst for btc's surge at the end of 2013 was due to price manipulation via Willybot. Edit: And yup, I asked if shorting from 240 is good. Why...? Cos it's possible it could go down under 200. Never said i was right and i know better just that you was wrong there is a big difference. Of course anything is possible but you don't just pull random graphs from where ever you pulled it from  Never said we could not stay below 300, i remember why we had the last bubble pump not disputing that or was i, nope. That is sweet so now it is possible to go below 200 when it was not when it was 300? That is my point if you was going to ask to short maybe you're asking at the wrong time and should have enough experience to know it would have been a good time a few weeks ago. Anyway good luck. To keep on topic i think we will eventually see 1200 and above we just don't know when. "We don't know when." Exactly the point of showing you that Nikkei graph. It's been decades since it saw its peak, and it's even backed by the Japanese economy... a real economy with regulations and big investors. That said, it is possible that it could take decades before bitcoin can see it's peak of 1200 again. Why...? You said it yourself... "To keep on topic i think we will eventually see 1200 and above we just don't know when." And again let me emphasize... Bitcoin's surge to 1200 was primarily caused by the Willybot manipulating the price. That's why it went up so quick. |
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