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15141  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Police State? on: April 25, 2013, 02:25:18 AM
I'm quite familiar with the problem but tell me this:

How would YOU have rooted out the Boston bomber jerkoff?

You run the PD.  Deploy WHO?  HOW?  With WHAT?

15142  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Civil War in America and Bitcoin on: April 25, 2013, 02:19:07 AM
I'm out of here, I feel much safer with the devils than in this thread.
15143  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: April 25, 2013, 02:17:45 AM
Moon is a Harsh Mistress, 1966 IIRC, shows strong influences from AS.
15144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ron Paul on Bitcoin: "I do not think it fits the definition of money" on: April 25, 2013, 02:15:52 AM
Ron Paul is correct it is not money.  Bitcoin is no different than a pokemon card.  But unlike a pokemon card they are each identical (there is no Charizard).  The only reason bitcoin has value is people give it value.  If it drops to $1 a certain type of person will buy more.  If people use it in a transaction, many will keep a couple coins for later purchases.  These coins are collectibles, as are pokemon cards.

Bitcoin as a collectible give it value.  Once it has any value, it can be traded as a currency.  Everyday bitcoin usually strengthens as a collectible.
But I seek the Great Bitcoin, and possibly the Greatest Bitcoin the Most Holy.

The one that is the sum of two prime numbers, each of which is the sum of two cubes.

O Greatest of Mysteries!

What is your value?

<<< Yes I just made this up and yes it's a joke and yes you can take it seriously and hey, dude, like, the chase is on now, and let the rumor fly, that it may be found, and great treasure awaits>>>

15145  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Police State? on: April 25, 2013, 02:10:02 AM
My condolences, if you have lost a loved one in this heinous attack. But don't you feel you should also

See, this is where we need to stop this nonsense.  I lost nobody, but that's not relevant.  What is relevant is that you are trying to tell somebody who you think was personally effected by the bombing how they should think.  

Well, you implied that you had:
If your 8 year old was blown up in Boston you'd understand the compassion I feel for my fellow citizens.

I was simply pointing out that if you "feel compassion for your fellow citizens," excluding a group of us because we think the BPD have stepped over a line with the use of tanks and paramilitary uniforms - a very disturbing line, at that - is rather hypocritical.

Of course, hypocrisy is par for the course from a statist, but I can't help but try and correct it.

"Profanity is the last refuge of the truly ignorant." - Anonymous
Cops make poor soldiers and soldiers make terrible cops.

But look, we had and continue to have serious problems with no knock raids and hundreds dead from wrong doors bashed in.....and that's almost entirely without the tanks and paramilitary uniforms.  For delails, google Radley Balko and follow his development of the problem. 

I believe the paramilitarization is understandable largely as a result of "beefing up" the various PD after 9/11.  It's logical as a government response to a problem, which of course means it's utter nonsense.
15146  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: April 25, 2013, 02:03:40 AM

Assume someone aggresses against me.  I'd be well within my rights to defend myself, but I can choose not to.  I can put someone else's self-interest above my own out of love for them.

As I understand objectivism, I would be acting immorally since I am not acting in my own self-interest, but I see it otherwise.
Great question.

In Atlas Shrugged, Reardon put his self interest aside when blackmailed and signed his patent over to the evil government. 

How was he blackmailed?  They threatened to make public his affair with Dagney.

Dagney put her self interest aside, in turn, and publicly stated that she had this affair on national radio.

So ... did Rand set this up to show that each of these lovers acted immorally?

(I'm stopping at this point for discussion purposes)

15147  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: April 25, 2013, 01:56:00 AM
There are many who enter government determined to destroy it.  
True, but that rather puts the lie to the comment that started this all:

The fact that so many government officials and economists are Randians
just makes her ideas more creepy.

Unless, of course, he is frightened by the collapse of the state?
Did we get to "many" yet?

Many of Rand's supposedly radical ideas can be traced back to Nietzsche.
She dumbed down many of his ideas and used them as starting points for her novels.
No, Rand has a deal of very original thinking.  And where can many of her ideas be traced to?  Aristotle.

...Yet ANOTHER abuse of the "many"...

15148  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PayPal president interested in bitcoin on: April 24, 2013, 09:47:45 PM
Bitcoin not interested in Paypal.

Accepting Bitcoin payment would always be in combination with 'delayed funds', You'll receive Bitcoin in 21 days. That is not Bitcoin...
<mimicing a policy stand of jerks>

...reserves the right to remit the e-currency within a 21 day period of clearing, at the price as of clearing.

TRANSLATED:  We'll hang on to the bitcoin, sell it at the high of the 21, and send you the low of the 21.

Suuuuurrrrrreeeee....
15149  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paying a Small Country to Make Bitcoin an Official Currency on: April 24, 2013, 09:40:29 PM
http://geography.about.com/cs/countries/a/smallcountries.htm

There are recognized countries that have only 13,000 - 50,000 citizens. Imagine we can gather 1BTC from each of 100,000 Bitcoin believers. That would be quite some money for a small country that does not happen to be tax haven.

In Germany Bitcoin is already treated like a foreign currency but it might still make things more certain. Also there might be benefits from such an action for the status of Bitcoin in other countries. It would sure make it more difficult to ban.

What do you say?


edited for brevity
I actually think that making bitcoin an "official currency" would be a bad idea.

It's what a lot of people want to move away from, the general idea of an official currency.
15150  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Post your 7970 Card info and Settings on: April 24, 2013, 09:34:37 PM
I'm running Giga 7970, totally stock, 550 and 600 Mh, had heat issues that kept me from dreaming about upping the parms.  They are now fixed, so I'll be optimizing but here is a question.

Anyone doing water cooling and if so what rig/part numbers?
15151  Economy / Economics / Re: We need to break the loop FIAT->BTC->FIAT on: April 24, 2013, 04:40:56 PM
LOL!  I agree, I am happy with how things turned out, a Currency by the People, For the People.

I think Bitcoin has street cred since it's inception fully supported and evolved to the peoples tastes. Smiley  Long Live Bitcoin!!
But if it became accepted by governments, would we need to find something else?

Hmm....
15152  Economy / Economics / Re: Ecosystem of virtual money.......need expert analysis on: April 24, 2013, 04:32:56 PM
Internet technology has a history of dramatically reducing capital costs associated with certain activities and enterprises, which brings wide availability to the people.

For example, today anyone can publish a book, create a video channel, set up a website, blog, online store, or get a project funded without all the overhead of inventing and maintaining these complex systems.

As the technology spreads and becomes available to anyone, the old organizations which used to be the biggest and most efficient can no longer compete because their core infastructure has become commoditiezed. For example, the music industry's distribution ability and production studios are slowly becoming commodities. Newspapers and broadcast television is no longer the only source for news.

Bitcoin is doing this to the banking industry. The system of trust, bank transfer protocols, and exchanges are becoming commodities. All that overhead isn't fundamentally needed anymore.

But I don't believe bitcoin will replace the current system as a singular competitor, because that's never what happens when entire industries become commodities.

What will happen is that anyone will be able to start a crypto currency just like anyone can now start a youtube channel - the difference being we're talking about governments and corporations rather than individual people.

All that is required is that payment for employees and raw materials be paid for in one's currency, and one accepts one's currency in exchange for whatever goods are produced.

For example, we could have usacoin in which the US government requires taxes to be paid in it, and it uses it to pay for government employees and other expenses. There could be cokecoin which Coca Cola uses to pay it's employees and expenses, and which it accepts for Coke products. There could be amazoncoin, fordcoin....

FIRST of all, the USA already requires payroll tax deposits to be done by electronic transfer.  Ergo, "e currency" their way their style.  All and any new currencies COMPETE.
15153  Economy / Economics / Re: On May 1st We Strike Back on: April 24, 2013, 02:25:22 PM
Javadrive By ? Why is the website asking to me to load Java?




It has litecoin web miner on it..Donations are welcome also at: LPwFUNuMDQ13k8gFbUvsqnUnKXaTtuYjD5

No, respectfully.  It has a request for me to download and run a Java program. 

I have no knowledge of what that is without examining the code.
15154  Economy / Economics / Re: The Switzerland of Bitcoin on: April 24, 2013, 02:23:30 PM
First it is necessary to establish what is desirable for a "switzerland of bitcoin."

It certainly must have multiple sound and long established links into the major banking systems.  The banks should preferably not be owned or operated by the State.  There should be multiple independent international banks which can accept wire transfers and do wire transfers without restrictions.  (Belize has some problems in these respects, as does Hong Kong.)

Having said that, I'd vote for multiple places to include the Bahamas and Singapore.
15155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ron Paul on Bitcoin: "I do not think it fits the definition of money" on: April 24, 2013, 02:36:08 AM
Yeah, sadly, like many of the Mises old guard, he just can't wrap his head around a "hard" currency that you can't put in your pocket.

"Ron my good friend, it's like this.  You know how the calculator's been made an app on your phone?"

"Sure."

"You know how the typewriter's been made an app called a word processor?"

"Everyone knows that.  Get to the point.  We're talking about mon-"

"Okay, well, money's been made an app on the phone in your pocket.  And they can't inflate or print more of this kind of money."
"Oh, you mean that bitcoin thing.  I tried to run that, but it was always updating and never finished.  Of course my pockets are full of American Eagles, and so the phone doesn't get very good reception in my pockets."

"You buried your phone in gold?"







15156  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ayn Rand on: April 24, 2013, 02:19:20 AM
Are you asking for a list?  Google it or write to the Ayn Rand Society.  I'm sure either way way works.  The lady has a following and of course there will be many who share her views in government. 
Have you read the books? Have you even looked at a wikipedia article about her views? Few who share them would seek government employ.

With respect, why would I?  If your argument is that the Ayn Rand Society board members don't understand her books, then what's the point?

Well, your argument seems to be that the members of the Ayn Rand Society board share have a large overlap with people in government office. I suggested that I find that hard to credit.

The question was whether there were many Ayn Rand devotees in government.  I provided one famous example.  He happened to be a board member.  I'm sure there are more; the lady has a following and of course there will be many who share her views in government. 
And it is my contention that "of course there will be many who share her views in government" is unlikely, given her views, especially of government.

There are many who enter government determined to destroy it.  

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77834.html

Here's another couple for you.

Its not fun for either of us to manually list Ayn Rand supporters who got into positions of power or debate the meaning of "many."  Its a matter of fact that they exist and that they don't see the contradiction in the way that you do.  Lets just leave it there Smiley



Not, it's not fun.  Because it's simply not the case that there are many people in government service who understand or agree with Rand's ideas.    Listing a few people doesn't create the "many".

Note I said "understand or agree".  One could understand but disagree. 

Again, there would be few in goverment service with that attitude.

15157  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Police State? on: April 24, 2013, 02:12:22 AM
Just as a refresher, in case anyone doesn't know:

Quote
ter·ror·ism 
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Noun
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

I'd say this meets that definition:


Ergo, statists are terrorist lovers. Carry on.
You are arguing that police action to find and arrest a bomber is "terrorism?"

WTF?
15158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Police State? on: April 23, 2013, 12:22:05 PM
"Listen up, you pussies.  These fucking assholes got us pissed off so here sum ground rules.  If it barks - shoot it.  If it squeals and mumbles, cram your boot on it's neck until it fucking quiets down.  And if it runs, target practice time."

It ain't nice guys - but it ain't a police state...

How is that not?
So you'd take the mindset and actions of a focused manhunt for a terrorist and extrapolate to the whole of a society?

What a joke.
15159  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Civil War in America and Bitcoin on: April 23, 2013, 12:16:32 PM
You are aware that most of the people reply to this thread are members of the devil worshipers cult illuminati right?

Is an authentic membership card available?

What do I have to do to get one?

Where and when are the meetings?

I admit it, you found me out.  I worship the daemon that spawns bitcoins,
15160  Economy / Economics / Re: Interesting cover from the BBC on: April 23, 2013, 12:08:04 PM
Well, since most people actually believe in ACGW, they'll freak out without even a thought towards the facts.

The article just shows how desperate those that are threatened by bitcoins are. They'll publish any kind of drivel whatsoever to try to attack BTC in the public mind.

BITCOINS!

PREVENTING THE COMING ICE AGE!

lol....
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