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1581  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: June 27, 2014, 04:14:08 PM
Impression of first response by Giancarlo in here: absolutely terrible.

Impression of second response by him: quite good.


There's still hope :D
1582  Economy / Speculation / Re: Something, something, something, technical analysis on: June 27, 2014, 03:52:56 PM
You list 'market explosion' events such as an ETF being approved or a new 'serious' exchange popping up. We know these things will happen in the remainder of 2014, so why do you say a new ATH rally will not take place until at least next year?

I only know that more than one ETF has been under consideration for some time now. If and when it gets approved, we will see whether it does in fact lead to another 'explosion event' or not.

Keep in mind, there were almost 2 years between the 2011 ATH and the next one, so having to wait for a bit more than year to get to the next one (especially after seeing two in quick succession in 2013) isn't exactly a gloomy prediction.
1583  Economy / Speculation / Re: Should we (the investors, I mean) help incentivize p2pool? on: June 27, 2014, 03:25:01 PM
I'd still like to get some feedback from some of the large-ish holders that I know exist in this forum Cheesy

Come on, 100+ guys, talk to me...

The 51% situation doesn't bother you at all? And wouldn't it be nice if we could actually do something to fix it? Would be cool, if in a year from now p2pool is the single biggest provider of hash power, and it was us, the investors, who gave the nudge to get there...
1584  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2014, 03:21:14 PM
Is there something astrological that explains why people here are being so angry of recent?

My suggestion earlier (including my own irritable mood as of late)

I sometimes think prolonged bear markets or even worse: stagnation periods, put everyone a bit on the edge, bulls and bears alike (except for the trolls of course. They live for that shit :D)
1585  Economy / Speculation / Re: Something, something, something, technical analysis on: June 27, 2014, 03:11:44 PM
Why I'm still long as a default position: fib levels and the uptrend so far


Okay, time for another "serious" TA post, after a bit of a break. I've been asked a few times if, and why, I'm still long currently, despite the recent price action and uncertainty about the near future.

I should mention that I did make a small number of trades during this swing (since the June 1 peak), but they were all purely momentum based, when it became very clear that a move down was picking up speed. However, perhaps the most important question for a swing trader is "what is your default position", i.e. whether you take profits in USD or BTC (in this market). For me, that default position is  BTC currently, and I'll explain why in a moment.

First, though, let me clearly say what I am NOT going to argue for: a meteoric rise in the near future. Here's what I wrote (a bit too angrily maybe) in another thread, where someone posted another one of those "$10,000 USD next year" predictions:

Stop with the TO DA MOON projection bullshit, bulls. That's my opinion.

My patience is starting to wear thin.

2014 is starting to look like 2011/2012: time for the network to grow, services to develop, the community to grow, etc. And price, to, well, stagnate a bit.

Don't think that's true? I don't give a fuck, we all make our bets accordingly (some sold, sold are holding, some are buying more), but whatever you decided to do, the desperate repetition of those "$10,000/$100,000 next month/year" threads is getting ridiculous.

If price really goes up that much, that fast, we will notice, I'm sure. Until then, work to improve the network in your own ways.

(And I realize that this is what Blitz has been saying for close to 6 months now. Good guy.)

Note please: I don't completely rule out another parabolic rally later this year, but I'm far from sure it'll happen. In fact, I'm slightly more inclined to think the next ATH rally will only happen next year at the earliest, and probably not to a "moon" number like $10k, but more likely a doubling or so of the previous ATH, which would still be extremely impressive.

But none of that matters right now. I'm simply trying to figure out if, right now, it makes sense to sell (to protect the USD value of your position), or whether the mid term direction is more likely to be up.

* * *

My analysis is based on the following two premises. You don't need to agree with them, but if you don't, you probably won't see much value in the argument I'm going to present.

1) $340 was, most likely, the capitulation bottom of the 2013/2014 bear market.

2) The period following the bear market, now, will be somewhat "reluctant" in moving up, with long periods of stagnation and possibly some serious setbacks.

I have argued previously why I believe 1) holds, won't repeat that now. I believe point 2) holds mainly for the following reasons: a) because the bear market was a lot more crushing than for example the short recovery period after the April 2013 ATH, b) because there were a few seriously disturbing news/developments that the market is still recovering from, mainly: mtgox, and uncertainty about China, and finally c) because no new "market explosion event" has taken place yet, that brings in an abundance of new fiat.

Examples of point c) are for example China entering the market big time in the 2nd half of 2013. What an event like that could look like now is, for example, the approval and listing of one of the ETFs, a new "serious" exchange backed by "old money" that brings in new types of investors, or a large enough country suddenly developing a taste for investing and/or using Bitcoin.

Those are the premises, on which my following technical arguments rest. In other words, I assume, from point 1), that we are in principle moving upwards, from point 2) that this is only going to proceed slowly.


Fib comparison #1

The longer historical comparison.

First graph shows the immediate recovery after the extremely crushing 2011 bear market. After the bottom of around $2, the first swing up ended at around $7. Then followed a retracement of that swing to 50%, where it stayed a long time, with and additional spike even deeper to the 62% fib level.





Next, the recovery after the July 2013 bottom at $63. Swing up to $100, followed by retracement to, you guessed it, 50%, and a spike to 62%. Now, to be clear: the recovery in mid 2013 was a lot smoother than what I expect to see now, but at least in terms of fib levels, we tested those two then as well.





Finally, our current view. The situation looks a lot different because of the intermediate period (after the assumed $340 bottom) in May, but from my perspective, what matters is how far we have progressed from that bottom. And as you can see, in today's situation we're not even near a 50%, let alone a 62% retracement. Which is why I'm not really worried yet.





Fib comparison #2

The next is pretty much a fractal view of the above. Let's compare the May consolidation period to the current one. After the $548 peak, most of May 2014 saw a period mostly of stagnation, that touched (surprise) 50% and 62% fib levels again.





Which is precisely where we are now again, in terms of fib levels.






The recovery so far

Here's another way to look at it. The following graph is a series of the intermediate highs and lows so far. Since the $340 bottom, we can see that a series of higher highs and higher lows is forming, in other words, an uptrend.





Marked in yellow is the range that could invalidate that picture. If price falls below the previous low of $538 on June 14, I won't automatically assume that we're back in a bear market, but it will be a sign for me to start questioning my default position. Should we hit, and break through, ~$530, what matters then is how price behaves afterwards wrt to the fib levels I've mentioned above. But that's another post, should it come to that.
1586  Economy / Speculation / Re: Should we (the investors, I mean) help incentivize p2pool? on: June 27, 2014, 01:02:13 PM
Yes cents, of course I only have around 200gh/s so miners with higher hash rates get a larger share of donations.

When a block is found, the 25btc (or close enough too) gets split 99.5% among the miners who have submitted shares based on how many shares they hashed and the one that actually finds the block gets the remaining 0.5% of the block reward.


Okay, that was a bit misleading then. I thought you were talking about a 0.5% incentive provided to miners that are on p2pool vs. miners in other pools, and I was pretty surprised to hear that would have been there.

Any info on total donations to p2pool? Would you say your donation tool is the most used one?
1587  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2014, 12:54:49 PM

EDIT: ... also agreed on the windjc weirdness. Don't know what happened, but I remember a few interesting discussions with you. Now it's down to antagonistic one-liners.

[...]

I posted a link to decent analysis by a trader on traderview who has been fairly consistent in his analysis. I didn't say he was bitcoin jesus, just that he has been right more  than wrong which is better than 95% of the people I read on here or on there.

Right away you attacked his credentials. AS IF any of us have fucking credentials.


[..]

Huh, I remember. Good point.

I sometimes think prolonged bear markets or even worse: stagnation periods, put everyone a bit on the edge, bulls and bears alike (except for the trolls of course. They live for that shit Cheesy)
1588  Economy / Speculation / Re: Should we (the investors, I mean) help incentivize p2pool? on: June 27, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
There is an easy donation tool from blisterpool in my sig that requires no bitcoind.

Donations that come through usually total around 5-10c and you may see three per week.

P2pool miners get a 0.5% bonus for finding a block.

I am sure more miners would join if some of the variation is softened by more donations.

Also miners are not required to run a node, just find one that's close to them.

Sorry, 5-10c? You don't mean cent, right?

Also, care to explain the 0.5% bonus? How is that implemented, and who provides that incentive... I didn't know about that.

EDIT: just saw that this month, you got 2.5 BTC. That's not much. Any idea what the total donations to p2pool are per month, on average?
1589  Economy / Speculation / Re: What do you do with your BTC during the downtrend? on: June 27, 2014, 12:40:15 PM
I purposefully buy high and sell low.

It gives me an incentive to prostitute myself out to strange men to make up for losses.

I could just do this without buying high and selling low. But if I did that, I wouldn't be desperate. If I'm not desperate, my "work" suffers.

I mean, a streetwalker that REALLY needs the money gives a better blowjob than one that doesn't, right?

I recommend this to others.

I aim to do the exact opposite.

Or how did you think your customers manage to afford you?
1590  Economy / Speculation / Re: Four Charts That Suggest Bitcoin Value Could Be At 10,000 USD Next Year on: June 27, 2014, 12:34:31 PM
Stop with the TO DA MOON projection bullshit, bulls. That's my opinion.

My patience is starting to wear thin.

2014 is starting to look like 2011/2012: time for the network to grow, services to develop, the community to grow, etc. And price, to, well, stagnate a bit.

Don't think that's true? I don't give a fuck, we all make our bets accordingly (some sold, sold are holding, some are buying more), but whatever you decided to do, the desperate repetition of those "$10,000/$100,000 next month/year" threads is getting ridiculous.

If price really goes up that much, that fast, we will notice, I'm sure. Until then, work to improve the network in your own ways.

(And I realize that this is what Blitz has been saying for close to 6 months now. Good guy.)
1591  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [600 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: June 27, 2014, 12:26:16 PM

FYI, I just opened a thread on the speculation subforum about incentivizing p2pool, and how it is probably in the interest of investors and (most) traders to do so. Thought you might be interested, and would like to get your input as well:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=667821.msg7545494

1592  Economy / Speculation / Should we (the investors, I mean) help incentivize p2pool? on: June 27, 2014, 12:22:12 PM
Opinions are divided (to say the least) on how dangerous a single pool reaching 51% or more of hash power really is.

Some say it's not a big deal and it's all hysteria, others go as far as calling Bitcoin "ghash coin". I tend to think the answer is somewhere in the middle: it's a serious problem, in the sense that our "trustless network" becomes a bit less trustless when a single pool can get close to a hashrate majority, but I also don't buy that it's an imminent & practical danger - no rational pool operator would risk the entire base of this wealth to earn a few extra bucks.

First, a disclaimer: I'm not a miner myself, so some of the finer points of mining and mining pools probably elude me. That said, I am under the impression that a lot, if not: most of the 51% pool problem would disappear if a majority of "floating" hash power would join p2pool.

Agreed so far? Let's say p2pool is the solution. There seem to be reasons why miners don't use p2pool more often yet. The most common reason I've heard so far is that p2pool requires the participating miner to run a full node (while regular pools need only a light client). I never quite understood why that is exactly such a big obstacle (if you can spend thousands on ASICs, how hard can it be to get the hardware/connection to run a full node?), but I'm not here to argue with the miners. They are economical actors, so I'll assume they know what they're doing.

Alright, I'll come to my point:

1) It would be preferable for everyone who has a stake in Bitcoin if a majority of hashing power would join p2pool.

2) Miners, by and large, aren't doing that. Currently p2pool sits at around 1% of total hashing power.

My conclusion:

Those who have a large stake in Bitcoin should try to give more incentives to miners to join p2pool, as it will benefit themselves in the long run.


Do you agree? If so, what's the most effective way for us (as investors/traders) to provide such incentives? The wiki mentions p2pool donations already exist, but I couldn't even find the total of donations received so far. Also, it looks like Bitcoind is required to donate, which limits the number of potential donators.

How about a to do list?

  • Set up donation address
  • Advertise, and convince large Bitcoin stakeholders to donate to p2pool, arguing that it is in their own self interest
  • Make sure there is little room for embezzlement of the donated funds, i.e. guarantee and check that donated funds are distributed among p2pool miners.


That's my pitch. Any input welcome.



Some links:

P2Pool Wiki article

P2Pool thread on bitcointalk

Hashrate distribution, by pools
1593  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 11:56:39 PM
Are we piling onto Blitz because he's a mod/Hero and made a bad call, and some in here might have followed it? Are we really doing that? When all throughout the last bear market there was page after page of bullish hybris, "buy all you can, never will be as cheap as now!", "we've hit rock bottom. take a loan on your grandmother to buy moar!", by newbie, senior and hero members alike. Yeah, I thought as much.

EDIT: ... also agreed on the windjc weirdness. Don't know what happened, but I remember a few interesting discussions with you. Now it's down to antagonistic one-liners.
1594  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 11:25:27 PM
Oh, wow...

this is actually kind of sad :/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2957nr/tragedy_gold_captain_of_industry_busts_out_the/

(the bitcoin version of subreddit drama)
1595  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 11:13:47 PM

Not sure if it's actually the same guy.

I think "Idiot McMargincall" just quoted the tradingview guy, kinda like a rallying cry.

(emphasis on "crying")
1596  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 11:12:37 PM
One of the best day traders on TradingView has this to say:


https://www.tradingview.com/v/i6Bft9Je/


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COULD NOT GET ANY MORE BULLISH

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HOW THE FUCK COULD IT GET ANY MORE BULLISH!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Do we need Jesus to come down and endorse bitcoin?!


He sounds kind of desperate.
1597  Economy / Speculation / Re: Current Bitcoin Trend on: June 26, 2014, 10:48:53 PM
We'll see... Not convinced we're going to have a rally this year yet.

Me neither.

But that "downtrend" you drew was so sloppy, it made masterluc cry (and he's not even reading this forum anymore) Cheesy
1598  Economy / Speculation / Re: What do you do with your BTC during the downtrend? on: June 26, 2014, 10:46:59 PM
What does everyone do with their BTC's in the downtrend when you knew it was going to happen?

from April 2013 to Oct 2013..did you just keep it in BTC while it was going down in $$$ value or did you take it out and put it in the bank and/or invest that amt in stocks?

I bought more BTC as it went down as I was underwater and didn't want to sell. I also tried to play the swings with a small number of coins to increase my coin total, which was only mildly successful. And then I screwed up in June by investing a pretty large portion of my coins into a pre-order for a KNC miner. Although in the end it worked out alright due to the November rally later on. I managed to mine about 60% of my coins back in the end. Good lesson learned there.

What's the lesson, in your opinion?

Not to mine btc unless you're planning on setting up a farm sized operation? Or not to use pre-orders?
1599  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 07:41:40 PM
It seems to me those long positions have been built (in substantial part at least) below $600. Since finex allows only 2:1 leverage they not be zhou-tonged above $300. Correct?

1) 2.5 lever, I thought.

2) You're forgetting the substantial interest rate on USD

3) There might be some 'safety net' for the margin requirements... don't know. Any active finex traders can clarify?

4) I hoped as well that most of them got in sub-600, but I'm not so sure anymore.
1600  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 07:24:51 PM
When do the squeezed longs become critical? Is there any way of telling?

Judging by this clown, at around $510 Cheesy
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