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161  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New US-based ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Manufacturer - ASIC Technologies on: June 13, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
He's selling a "9G/Hash miner". What exactly does that mean?

That it "mines" 9 "G" per "Hash". That could mean just anything he wants it to mean.
And he's very happy running it.

A highly misleading listing, deliberately so IMHO, what BTC miner with 9GHash/sec would describe it thus? This is a plant.
162  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New US-based ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Manufacturer - ASIC Technologies on: June 13, 2013, 07:58:42 PM

Current bid: 3,500.32 GBP (= 50.0046 BTC) (22 Bids)

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People are INSANE
163  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bad idea to buy a kncminer Jupiter? on: June 13, 2013, 09:44:14 AM
For this calc example I assumed I would get it at the last of October, or 137 days from now.
I then assumed a 2% difficulty increase per day until then, which gives me a starting difficulty of 239941346.93285772
If I now put this into http://www.coinish.com/calc/ and run it over 12 months with a 100% utlization, my estimated income is -3149.71USD
So considering this, it doesn't seem like the greatest idea anymore.

You've clearly got the hang of this. My only quibble might be that your rate of increase in difficulty of 2% / day is 32% per two weeks, which may be a bit steeper than we could expect (Avalon Batch 3 are still not shipping, and BFL still at a trickle). Redoing the calc with the default 1.0306% gives diff 92M in 137 days and breakeven 44 days later (with continued diff increase).

Which explains why KNCMiner have so many keen customers. But it all turns to dust if there is any significant delay in the project (and ASICs are very prone to over-running the schedule). Remember these will be prototype devices in the first batch from the foundry, and KNCMiner  are expecting to ship these to customer. User KS pointed me at a good article http://www.edn.com/design/systems-design/4319891/The-economics-of-structured-and-standard-cell-ASIC-designs (a little dated at 2006 but still relevant). The key point being the 12-26 week delay from prototypes to full production.

Anyway this discussion is best continued on the KNCMiner threads in CUstom Hardware rather than in newbie land (hmm still only  1hr 42mins logged in, they key is to keep browsing the forums, refresh at least every 15 minutes, Mining Speculation is a good starting place https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=81.0 )
164  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: learning how to make a pcb on: June 12, 2013, 06:49:40 PM
My main goal for the hell of it is to buy 1-5 Avalon chips and just experiment with different designs that my mind could come up with.

You would be well advised NOT to learn about PCB design ab initio using your precious Avalon chips. These are high performance devices and you need know exactly what you are doing otherwise you'll just create failure.

A couple of links to help you out (you can google for PCB stuff yourself).

Klondyke reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227186.0

Bitfury test boards https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228677.0

And how not to do it ... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=230525.0
165  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bad idea to buy a kncminer Jupiter? on: June 12, 2013, 05:18:32 PM
Personally, I do not think it is too late. I've already got some skin in the KnC game and wouldn't be opposed to considering jumping in a little deeper on it still. While difficulty will undoubtedly skyrocket in coming months, the KnC miners (among others) should remain profitable into the 4.5 (±1) billion range and that's at current BTC value. As we watch difficulty climb at staggering rates, folks that would otherwise have interest in mining simply won't make the plunge as there'll be a large psychological hurdle to overcome and their chance to make a ROI diminishes. Yes, the window is closing quickly, but I don't think we are there yet. For my calculations, I'm looking at difficulty of about 1 billion by June of next year and 2 billion by the end of 2014. Just be responsible to determine what your risk threshold is and don't gamble more than what you can afford to lose right now and you'll be fine.

KNCMiner is currently advertising the Jupiter as 350GHash/s for 6995USD https://www.kncminer.com/products/jupiter

From http://www.coinish.com/calc/ those numbers give $19 per day return at difficulty 1G, with breakeven in 400 days (for level difficulty).

So even if its covering its power costs at 4.5G difficulty, you'd better hope its delivered well before difficulty gets into the 1G range.
166  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Anonymity (or the Lack Thereof) for Newbies on: June 12, 2013, 04:13:37 PM
OK, thanks guys.

So IP logging/sniffing is the main impediment to anonymous mining. I don't think I'm quite paranoid enough to try mining though TOR, but that's useful info. Solo mining unfortunately is out of the question for all but the very largest scale miners, and I'm not quite sure how well that would work under TOR as it needs good connectivity to the major nodes (ie pools) in order to avoid orphaned blocks.

Cheers
167  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bad idea to buy a kncminer Jupiter? on: June 12, 2013, 09:55:30 AM
I think the kncminer stuff is just too big of a gamble. I've already had enough of BFL's never delivering thing.

There are Block Erupter Blades in the wild so if you've got the cash (5 - 7k USD) you could snag one of those. I'm pretty sure the ROI will be great because everybody else will still be waiting on preorders for at least 6 months.
In a couple of weeks when I start working again I will be monitoring the forums constantly for anybody selling a Block Erupter Blade.

You think? At the time of the auction the winning bidders where being called fools for paying so much (76BTC).

Use a good calculator eg http://www.coinish.com/calc/ (expert mode) for your ROI and see what you think?

PS you may like this thread by a Blade Runner https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205369.0
And this was the original auction thread at 76BTC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178275.0
And a later one at 50BTC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189248.0
168  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bad idea to buy a kncminer Jupiter? on: June 12, 2013, 09:28:50 AM
Far too much ASIC Gold Rush Fever in the mining community right now. For a rather more critical view of KNCMiner try ...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228068.0 (my thread, but just crossposted from newbies, not my own views)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231739.0

IMHO none of the commodity kit (Avalon, BFL, KNCMiner) will be profitable for orders placed today (by the time they deliver, always late, difficulty will be so high that your ROI is never).

But if you're not concerned about profit (yes there are other reasons to mine), then OK, take a punt at it.
169  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ASIC ME Avalon Miner on: June 12, 2013, 09:14:13 AM
Team member:
1.   Yang Rui(SanYa/LaSa): Cofounder of renren.com, the founder of Shututonggui, ocean beach surfing club founder, owner of hotel in Tibet
2.   KangLe(Beijing/HongKong): Major customer Department Director, QianJiePang operation director, Bread Travel Business director
3.   Hardware team leader(Beijing): Senior hardware engineer, 7 years hardware development experience, 5 years FPGA experience
4.   Software team leader (Beijing): 7 years embedded system development experience, low level software development in famous mobile phone chip company
5.   SailFly (Beijing): Global business director, 8 years global company working experience, 13 years software experience, early stage developer of the first Linux smart phone in the world
6.   Hao Hailong (Paris): PhD student in Economics
7.   Xu Wenpei (Xiamen): Executive Director of FuJian WanXingLong Group
8.   Xu Jingwen (Shanghai): Designing management master, cofounder of a standalone brand, Red bean group brand planning
9.   Ya Jia (Beijing): Formerly worked in Asia's top five hedge funds, luxury website chief strategy officer
10.   Geng Shuang (Beijing): pre sails, after sales customer service, HR of automobile consultant company
11.   Jin Zhan (Wu Xi): Heshifushi customer service team leader
12.   San Ye (Wu Xi): Heshifushi customer service

12 emplyoyees/directors, but only two engineers. Don't you think you're a bit top heavy? But YAY customer service!

SCAM
170  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What is the deal with Pulse / Magnetic generators? (Free electricity) on: June 12, 2013, 08:55:02 AM
No, what I'm talking about is that these things are using magnetism to self sustain a generator turning while at the same time outputting extra electricity to run some device connected to the generator...

I invented one of these when I was eight! Drew lots of pretty diagrams, thought I was pretty clever, then forgot about it.

Then in high school physics we studied work and energy and came across the Laws Of thermodynamics (nicely described in the previous posts).

In short TANSTAAFL, a good principle to apply to everything in life (including Bitcoin).

Just thought I'd share  Wink
171  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ATNN] Looking for HDL development partner(s) for Kintex-7 (28nm) board on: June 12, 2013, 02:00:11 AM
Is Structured ASIC economical at this moment? What would be NRE costs for lets say 32nm ASICS?  

Unfortunately I don't know. But I've been following the KNCMiner saga. 28nm process, claimed standard cell custom ASIC, but with no history of same, only Altera HardCopy (on same process node).

It just struck me that with Avalon, BFL, ASICMiner (I presume) all going the std cell route (with all its issues of NRE, long lead time, risk of rework), there might be an opportunity for a quick entrant into the market using FPGA to ASIC conversion (HardCopy or whatever the Xilinx equivalent is). But while much cheaper NRE than full custom, its still a significant business proposition.

Anyway, its way past my bedtime, so I'll just leave you with that thought.
172  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Who's Selling ASICs? on: June 12, 2013, 01:37:56 AM
Why so ironic? Fear the competition cause your BFL ain't shippin yet!? Well, it may take a while... Grin Just kiddin...

No, not kiddin. Just escaped Newbie Jail myself 10 days ago. Still feel a bit sorry for the inmates.

Nothing wrong with ASICs. Other than the price. So I'm paying it forward, for a little while anyway.

ROI is important. If you're new here I guess you don't want to get burned if you take up mining.

Just do your research. That's all. Oh , this may help http://www.coinish.com/calc (expert mode).
173  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ATNN] Looking for HDL development partner(s) for Kintex-7 (28nm) board on: June 12, 2013, 01:04:11 AM
I've been following your progress on the Open Source Fpga Miner thread, and I'm impressed (i've only got a DE0-Nano myself).

However, this is just not an economical proposition. Have you considered the Structured ASIC route? (I've been posting on the KNCMiner threads recently, if you want to take a look), I reckon this is the only short-term opportunity left to turn a profit here.

And scrypt, OK potential, but I think Jasinlee has the jump on you there http://www.litecoinfpga.com/

But best of luck. Kudos!
174  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New US-based ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Manufacturer - ASIC Technologies on: June 12, 2013, 12:35:28 AM
Yes, our design team all have day jobs in the defense industry, just as we advertise. So, while we have been working this in our personal time for months, we aren't quite ready to all abandon our day jobs until we learn what the market interest & reaction will be. Some of us have families, etc, and it will be a little time before we are ready to make the jump. I hope this is understandable. It's quite possible that we will need to pursue VC funding in order to get this done, if there are few orders, it all depends on interest, though we've had quite a few interested folks so far. While it may sound extraordinary to some that we've been working on a full custom design, honestly we do this for a living and it isn't all that extraordinary to us. Hence we have been pursuing this for some time. In any case, we only accept Paypal as of now, and I hope this offers a level of buyer protection and security for you!

OK, this is pure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

What amazes me is that you think you can get away with it. This isn't facebok or twitter here, you've fallen into the pit of vipers.

And BTW, talking about Argument From Authority, this post makes me a Sr Member, Woohoo, I've been here 10 days!
175  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New US-based ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Manufacturer - ASIC Technologies on: June 12, 2013, 12:18:28 AM
I asked this question earlier. You've had some time now. Do you have an answer?

We are currently in a 28nm design flow, and as for shipping date, we are scheduling into a run, but essentially it hinges entirely on the success of our offering. If we get enough orders, we'll be delivering in 2-3 months. If not, we'll have to refund what orders we have taken so far and pursue venture capital, which is much more expensive and will impact our prices. I figure the peace of mind offered with Paypal should help in making the case that we are legitimate. @warzor still working on those 1nm chips...

I hope you realise what you are claiming here is quite extraordinary. Is this a Full Custom design, or a Structured ASIC, and are you using a dedicated mask set or MPW Shuttle. Reply carefully, your reputation will depend on your answer.
176  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Who's Selling ASICs? on: June 11, 2013, 11:56:29 PM
Aha, my hobbyhorse!

Why do you want to buy? Magic money tree? Ain't no such thing.

Bitcoin laundering? A bit advanced for newbieland. look it up later  Smiley

So you want to know if its worth it? Look away now for the faint of heart!

Go here http://www.coinish.com/calc fill in your hash rate, purchase cost, plenty of other things to play with.

Select Expert Mode and check your "Break even considering reduction"

Still want to buy? Great, plenty of sellers on ebay or our Custom Hardware threads.

Enjoy suckers  Lips sealed
177  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Sending address questions on: June 11, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
I'll bump you again as I'm interested in the answer too.

Re-reading your OP carefully, I think there is a little confusion about sending addresses and receiving addresses.

In the blockchain there are only transactions which move coin from one (or several) addresses to another (or several) addresses.

So transactions make the distinction between sending or receiving addresses, but the actual coin balance just exists on an address (which is what blockchain explorer shows you).

Now bitcoin_qt tries to hide all this from you by aggregating all the coin on all your addresses into your balance, and when you send some coin it just does it (by whatever heuristic was programmed in). You don't need to know the detail of the transactions, because its just easy

Now with a faucet, they need to be careful as they are sending tiny amounts (dust) so it is important to optimise the transactions, hence you see the same source address many times, unlike bitcoin_qt which sends the entire balance of a source address and splits it between the recipient and the new change address. As for why? ask Satoshi  Undecided

If you need to prove a transaction, you need to send from a specific address that you know the public signing key of. This is where I'm getting beyond my knowledge. As was said upthread, there are modified versions of bitcoin_qt that allow you to do this. And the online wallets (and probably the likes of Armoury etc) let you do it too. So let's wait for an expert again and get this resolved properly.

PS Oops, a bit stale (two posts intervening), but here goes anyway.
178  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Can KNCMiner really deliver 28 nanometers? on: June 11, 2013, 09:25:58 PM
What I don't get is the bit where they only work on the FPGA and let the (as yet unknown) ASIC maker complete the standard cell process for them and they are going straight to production. No prototype, no revision, bam, production. That sounds awfully stupid to me.

But this is exactly what Avalon and BFL have done. And it makes sense, from a marketing point of view. But not on the engineering side (apart from letting the experts do the custom design, which is essential). The custom ASIC business has been plagued by over-optimism from customers (ie the likes of BFL and Avalon, not end users) since the very beginning. Many tears have been shed when projects went over-time and over-budget. The current BFL fiasco was quite typical back in my time.

And it seems KNCMiner have to play exactly the same marketing game to stand any chance in this business (cannot wait the 12 months to do the job properly, hence "no prototype, no revision, bam, production". Yes it is stupid, but its the only way they can compete in the game. If they pull it off (Avalon, ASICMiner), good for them, but its risky (BFL). All these delays and the lack of communication from all of the players is to be expected (they may be in the dark themselves). This is rocketscience after all!
179  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Sending address questions on: June 11, 2013, 09:02:43 PM
Since nobody is answering this, I'll bump it up for you with what I know ...

Your bitcoin_qt addresses are unique to you. There is no public pool, they are yours and yours alone. The wallet generates 100 addresses when you create it, and uses them in-order as you create transactions and sends the change back to them. Any of them can be used as receiving addresses, but only the first one is shown as your default address. If you do a lot of transactions it will create more addresses. This is IMPORTANT because if you restore an old backup of a wallet it will not have these new addresses and you will LOSE any bitcoin that was sent to them. Keep your backups up to date.

Thee addresses are good for the life of your wallet, so as long as you have it, you will receive any coin sent to them.

Perhaps a clarification. Bitcoin does not actually live in the wallets, it lives in the blockchain (on all of the bitcoin nodes on the network). Your wallet just contains the keys to access your coin (private keys, hidden by default but you can export them, keep them very safe and very secret if you do).

Doing transactions via the debug console is beyond my expertise, you'll have to wait for a real expert to come along for that info.
180  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: My DIY Avalon-based mining board (Davalon) on: June 11, 2013, 08:42:14 PM
PS, just saw "single layer with jumper wires". NO, just NO! You won't get proper power distribution and decoupling, so even if it works at all its going to be unreliable as f*uk. Stick with the experts folks, don't DIY!

First of all, I will admit that I'm not an expert. Of course, a homemade single layer board is not going to be ideal. But, I'm going to have to ignore your suggestion of "don't DIY". Electronics is my hobby and I live for DIY. I bought the chips fully expecting that I will make my own board for it. I am selling nothing to the community and it's your own choice to use my designs or not. In fact, it will go out and say that you probably should not use my designs. I will use this thread to show the progress of my board whether it be a failure or not.

Sure, sure. Don't get me wrong, I dabble myself (but not going as far as full size SMT boards). It was more of a warning to other forum users who may get the idea that they can just plonk their chips down onto a DIY board and get excellent results. Not only is there the risk of burning their precious chips, but power supply is critical to getting these high performacne chips working at full speed. Take a look at BitFury's Alpha Testing thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228677.0 ... lots of very relevant info there.

Good luck with your efforts, at least you're having fun  Wink
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