Say you and 9 buddies with 1k BTC each got together to spend 10k BTC, what would you spend it on?
And you are actually spending it, not just holding it and watching it rise (unless it is to wait until a certain price to pay for something).
Either to help Bitcoin, help yourselves, help others, etc...
If I understand your post correctly I think you guys are really awesome! Keep in mind that by helping Bitcoin you will most likely be helping also yourselves and others  . If I had that amount to spend I would probably try to open up a new market for Bitcoin with the focus on helping people to (re-)gain control over their own issues. First thing that comes to my mind is to use the money to install as many Bitcoin-exchange-shops in Africa as possible so expats don't have to use WU and the like anymore and can send back their hard earned money without loosing 15 or 20 percent, which their families could then spend on food. We are talking billions every year that could be spent on food instead of transaction fees. This way you could help a few hundred people to start their own business (the exchange shops) or get a job (if you would run the shops yourself and employ them), you could nail them down to a reasonable fee and you would promote Bitcoin like fuck. Once Bitcoin gets established the shops would get obsolete as people would quickly learn how to receive Bitcoin without them. But right now it would need the shops to start the whole process. And you would hit some banksters where it hurts them the most, cutting down their profits. Hell, you would probably start the end of WU and Moneygram . Go! Joe |
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I have only read a quarter of the posts in this thread but that is enough for me to jump on the wagon, so therefore:
If I don't see hamburgers and beers being worth 10k of Euros in Bitcoin being sold at ROOM77 in Berlin in april I will shut the fucking place down.
And it is all going to be the fault of the community and you guys will feel guilty for the rest of your lifes for being the reason why Bitcoin failed. So you better move your butts over here and eat and drink like hell!
Got me!?
Joe
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Also, being "unaffected" isn't really anyone's goal. My dead great grandmother was not affected by the Cyprus robbery either.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Like my dead great-grandmother never got affected by the Fukushima desaster because she never lived in Japan and at another time alltogether. And therefore, it is probably no Japanese person's "goal" to be "unaffected" by the meltdown. So neither people in Japan nor on Cyprus (they still cannot access their bank accounts as of now untill maybe sometime next week) should have any worries since neither your nor my great grandmother were affected by their problems. Your logic is unbeatable and it looks like it is a solution for any problem of anyone living anywhere in this world right now. What a pity that noone on this planet has seen your solution yet, but I bet it's time will come!  Joe |
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I saw first-hand how well "Banking without Banks" works.
That's my vote.
Include it back into the vote already! :-)
Ente
dude, it only got one vote. yours I assume dude, it had no chance to get more because it took you a week after it was posted to include it in the poll and people who wanted to vote it couldn't. Once it was up and I mailed them and informed them I got the answer "no, not anymore, it flew out because it had no votes". Don't you read your own thread? Also "Be Your Own Bank" says pretty much the same but in a cooler and more positive way.
No it does not. But you would not understand the difference nor would you want to. But that does not matter. I was not going to argue that with you here, I didn't care and left the thread. As I have mentioned before this is no corporation wit some Chief Corporate Identity Officer or something. You use whatever you find works best for you and so do I. But please don't pretend this would in some way be a neutral vote while you arbitrarily throw in and out whatever suits you. Have fun! Joe |
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Fucking geil, as we would say here, I was actually really LOL! Joe |
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As long as mtgox (or any other xchange for that matter) do not breach laws, they cannot shut down them.
Pro tip laws change, they will change the law until what you are doing is criminal They don't need to change any laws as nobody stops them from breaking them. I don't know what planet you guys live on but the United States here on Earth (that's in the Solar System, Milky Way, Virgo Super Cluster) have given up any rule of law years ago. They can openly break any national and international law without anyone even complaining. They kidnap, torture and kill without any proof, a lawyer, a judge or a trial. The Washington Post last year described in detail how the president is having a meeting with some super secret service guys every week at which he gets suggestions who in the world should die, then makes his choice and and then his soldiers are sending out drones and wipe out whole villages. This is not possible in even the craziest dictatorships we have here otherwise. Even the governments of countries like China and Iran at least have to pretend to somehow follow the rule of law (which of course is their law) while in the United States / Earth the population willingly accepts a leadership that arbitrarily kills whoever they feel like killing. Funnily enough the population there accepts that even though they are heavily armed because their constitution allows them to carry arms to resist an invasive government, but which they sadly only use to shoot each other in school yards. Here on our planet we developed a thing called 'habeas corpus' more than 800 years ago but under the present leadership our judical system has been driven back to a time long before that (a time that was called 'the dark middle ages'). I am, however, happy to hear that somewhere out there there is a planet with 'United States' that still give a fuck about laws and human rights and stuff like that. From wherabout in the universe are you guys? Joe |
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Please: that was the pic that was around and that's why I used it.
It does not matter if you use that pic or another or none at all, this is about
THE FACT THAT NO GOVERNMENT CAN SEIZE BITCOINS IF PROPERLY SECURED.
The advantage of a currency not being confiscatable has so far been an abstract and theoretical issue to most people in the western world. They would usually see that as spreading FUD by paranoid conspiracy folks.
THIS HAS CHANGED NOW, as it is happening in front of the world for everybody to see, thus the actual possibility of this to happen enters the reality of populations in so called democratic countries.
We (the Bitcoin community) are not a corporation with a Chief Corporate Identity Officer who decides what pic or claim to use, use anything that suites you and that you feel comfortable with.
The community has communicated this property of Bitcoin as one of it's major advantages over other kinds of money for years now but to actually make people understand what that means in real life and for their own lifes:
now's the fuckin' time.
That's at least my 5 Satoshis.
Joe
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That is not true either. Anyone comming from out of the Euro-zone to Berlin has clear advantages when paying in Bitcoin over having his credit card charged in a foreign currency or changing cash at Western Union. Just do the math.
This seems to be a scenario that seems to be uncommon in the United States. If I go anywhere in the US from LA to NYC, it is unlikely I'll have to change my money around at any point. I was talking about when you come to the eurozone. You _will_ have to change your USD at some point as nobody accepts USD here (imagine! ). Joe |
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I wonder when the first names of bankers, politicians and super-rich are being leaked, who got exclusive beforehand knowledge of what's going to happen on thursday already so they could get their money out by friday.
That's what happened in Argentinia in 2001.
Joe
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Forget about in-person transactions. That can come later when we have a stronger network of users.
No, DON'T forget about in-person transactions.The mistake many businesses make when starting to accept Bitcoin is that they expect an increase in turnover quickly. I have seen merchants jump off after 8 weeks because they only got a few extra customers in that time and thought it therefore wasn't worth the effort. But it doesn't work that way. It does take time but after accepting Bitcoin since sometime in 2011 in our restaurant in Berlin (ROOM77) we can absolutely and definately say that not only has it brought us a lot of media attention but it is actually driving business to our place. I don't only mean the monthly Berliner Bitcoin-meetups held at our place (we give out too many Pamperos on these evenings to make money on them anyhow ). We get reservations from all over the world from people comming to Berlin who know exactly where they want to go for dinner without consulting any restaurant guide and even dragging their local friends to ROOM77 because they want to pay in Bitcoin. I know for a fact that no other bar/restaurant in Berlin of our size and profile is getting that kind of business and this is increasing steadily. So accepting Bitcoin DOES drive customers to your brick'n'mortar business and if you offer a positive customer-experience you can even turn their non-Bitcoiner friends into regular customers and very often into new Bitcoin-users as well . Besides, a much better competitor already has us beaten there: cash.
That is not true either. Anyone comming from out of the Euro-zone to Berlin has clear advantages when paying in Bitcoin over having his credit card charged in a foreign currency or changing cash at Western Union. Just do the math. Joe |
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Imagine you are standing alone right in front of the goal of the other team and some idiot from the other team throws the ball right into your hands. I have been in strategic corporate communications for two decades and if last week you would have asked me as a PR-guy what the best thing would be to happen to Bitcoin to show people what advantages Bitcoin has, I would probably have answered "the first country to start confiscating people's savings." I have to admit I could not have imagined that this could happen so fast. This is just one rare great opportunity to trigger interest in Bitcoin. Just spread the meme 'Bitcoin user not affected'. People are talking about this everywhere and realise, that what happens in Cyprus can happen in their own country everywhere and anytime and that when it happens, it will be done without any notice and without any chance to withdraw their funds beforehand. It is a point where you don't have to go through all the difficulties trying to explain crypto-currency alltogether, it is just enough to mention that the only people who escaped this plunder are the ones who keep their wealth in unseizable and unconfiscatable currency, namely Bitcoin. That alone will do to make people go "Wait, what!?" and go out to try to find out more. So spread the word in any discussion with friends and workmates and plaster the comment-sections of news-sites reporting about this or on your favorite precious metals-forum or wherever. I am reposting this image from the other thread on Cyprus, credits go out to whoever made it.  So carpe diem and spread the word! Joe |
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News: UK government pays the full taxation for British citizens with accounts in Cyprus.
Source? Also, this should read: "British taxpayers forced to pay the full taxation for Btitish citizens rich enough to hold a bank account in Cyprus." Joe |
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danke an den organisator arcurus, das erste bitcoin treffen hat stattgefunden!
hat mir sehr gut gefallen.
bis zum nächsten mal.
@joe
als ich gegangen bin (22:30) waren noch zwei da.
schade, dass du es nicht rechtzeitig geschafft hast...
hoffe zum nächsten mal dann!
AAArgh, schade dass ich Euch verpasst habe. Bin wohl grade rein, als die letzten grade gingen. Ist vollkommen klar, dass die Deutsche Bahn das im Auftrag der Banken-Mafia sabotiert hat, offensichtlicher geht's ja gar nicht  . Habe Euch ein kleines Bitcoin-Promo-Paket dagelassen, Arcarus weiss wo er das abholen kann. Haud euch nei! ++jp |
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Update: I got mehdorned.
Bin seit heute Nachmittag mit der Bahn auf Zickzack-Kurs Richtung Süden unterwegs und trainiere mein Karma damit, gute Laune zu behalten. Grade in Würzburg.
Mal sehen, ob ich gegen 23 Uhr noch mit jemanden einen Absacker trinken kann?
Joe
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Werde erst so gegen 21 Uhr da sein. Bin der Typ mit dem Bitcoin-Magazine unter'm Arm (wo ist der Smiley mit der Sonnenbrille ). Joe |
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I personally am surprised and delighted that we move in this direction (back to the universal fork as trunk) rather than force an upgrade.
So am I. I thought only once banks or governments start cracking down on Bitcoin we will appreciate Bitcoins's capability of graceful degration [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault-tolerant_system] but it only took a flaw to proove that it has that capability. My deep respect for the devs who took this issue on and solved it. You guys made Bitcoin and my believe in it even stronger. To blockchain eternity! Joe |
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Back up to $45+ ALREADY?? Could this widespread bug, and it's fairly fast community-assisted response, maybe actually bolster confidence in bitcoins?
Yep. Price will go up. Time to buy . Joe |
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This is being dealt with right now. Tomorrow it will be yet another example of the capability of an OS/P2P network to deal with and solve problems. We will walk out of this being stronger than before and we will have another story to tell our grandkids about the exciting times back then when Bitcoin became big. Priceless . See it as a stress-test that no bank would survive. If you don't see it like that and want to get rid of your coins at a low price please feel free to pm me and make me an offer, I will be online another 15 minutes before I go to bed and have a deep sleep even as an 'all-in-person' . Joe |
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