Greed and naivety. Remember Bitconnect? It was obviously a ponzi, and anyone who wasn't a moron was pointing this out for weeks before it crashed, but it still peaked at a market cap of over $2.5 billion. The cryptosphere is young and immature, and unfortunately so are many of its investors. I agree many coins will fall to nothing, and frankly, the sooner the better.

Linking to a site that doesn't exist, and a site that does not allow your behaviour, is feeble evidence for your defense.


You are the one who began the argumentum ad populum by linking to random auction sites as a defense.


The mere fact you have to keep proclaiming this suggests that even you accept that self-bidding is not 100% fair.

Anyone (is there actually anyone?) who agrees with him is smart, reputable and should be on DT. Anyone (so pretty much the entire forum) who disagrees with him is a member of the cartel/mafia, an alt of everyone else, and should be removed from DT. In the medical community, we call this type of behaviour paranoia querulans.

If you click on the source for that Wikipedia quote, it links to an auction site that no longer exists.


Ebay does not make a statement regarding bidding with your own account, as that is physically impossible on the Ebay platform. Not explicitly forbidding it does not equal tacit permission.


I'm sorry, but this is feeble evidence. Regardless, we are dealing with Bitcointalk forum, and not Ebay or any other auction site, and the general consensus on this thread and others is that self bidding is shady behaviour.

Three reputable members with green trust have already painted you red. As you can tell from the several threads you have created about this nonsense, the community supports their decisions. By your own criteria, this case is closed.

I'd ask you again to lock these threads, but I know I'd have better luck talking to a brick wall.

Yes, casinos are risky. But it literally says right there "Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum." The risk is yours to take.

As goes the old quote: "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand."

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I for one would very rarely, if ever, listen to an audio file for a number of reasons:

- I can read an awful lot faster than most audio
- I'm not big on downloading random files, which can also sometimes be difficult and slow via VPN and Tor
- If browsing on a mobile device, I'm not wasting limited bandwidth downloading an audio file
- If I'm in a public place, I'm not opening an unknown audio file

Additionally, that's even with the audio file having perfect English and grammar. If the grammar and syntax is poor, it's a lot easier to decipher text than it is audio.

My signature is neither an ICO or pays in tokens. It's a mixer that pays in BTC. What a nonsense argument.


Learn from mistakes!? Have you not been paying attention? They were hacked, failed to fix the problem through their own incompetence, and then a month later were hacked a second time using the same exploit. They learned nothing. If you read my previous replies, you can see the hack is just the icing on the shit-flavoured cake that is Verge.

Yeah, this is the real issue. People only reading the OP and ignoring the rest of the conversation. You can open any thread with 50+ replies in Bitcoin or Altcoin Discussion and see exactly what I mean - there isn't an original thought after the first 10 or so replies, just people rehashing the same statements.

That's good to know for two reasons: One, I wasn't overpaying fees for no reason, and two, I'm not a complete moron for not noticing before. 

Wow, you are absolutely right. It's completely obvious as well, yet I've never noticed before. Looks like it is grouping 1-5 in with 6-10, 11-15 in with 16-20, and so forth.

Thanks for pointing that out.

You sure adding a lot of new ideas to your whitepaper. I wonder why they weren't there in the first place? Maybe because you didn't expect to be called out on your blatant scam? Maybe because you don't really have any idea what you are talking about?

ETFs aren't some magic bullet that guarantee profit. They sure as hell don't give a risk free 100% ROI in a month as you claim. Throwing around terms you don't understand just proves further that you are bullshitting.


We've looked at the facts a numbers. It's clear you have an elementary school level understand of mathematics, if that.


Anyway, I'm done here. I'm sure you will continue to bullshit, but it's so blindingly obvious that this is a ponzi that anyone stupid enough to send you their money deserves to lose it all.

Of course they can. Just go to Bitcoin Discussion forum and read any thread with more than 100 replies, and you will see that there are already thousands of them here.

That's a handy site. I've been using the following two sites when judging how much fees to pay when making transactions. The first gives you an idea of how long various fees are taking to process, and the second gives you a nice graphical representation of how full the mempool is right now:

https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/ Edit: As pointed out below, this site overestimates required fees.

https://core.jochen-hoenicke.de/

So you can predict the future as well? Nice


A different system than the one in the whitepaper, that is suddenly being mentioned only now that you have been called out on your bullshit. How convenient.


Last I checked, 3% is bigger than 2.5%. If your stop loss is 3%, then one bad trade could quite easily wipe out all your gains for that day. Seriously, are you just making this nonsense up as you go along?


Good stuff. Because with your method, it will only take 14 months to turn that $20million in to more than the market cap of every cryptocurrency added together, and only 22 months to have more money than the GDP of the entire world. Just think! By April 2020 you could literally buy everything produced by every country on Earth! Do you see how stupid this sounds? You should at least have come up with a believable scam, and not one that is obviously bullshit.


Strawman argument. Regardless, this is the first ICO thread I've ever commented on, so not just a strawman, but yet another lie.


Your road map takes you to August 2019. Even if you only started with the price of two pizzas right now, you would be millionaires by then with your supposed method. The only reason you wouldn't do this is because you can't.


So, in summary:

You refuse to share your new "secret method" that you conveneintly forgot to put in your whitepaper or tell anyone about
You refuse to post a trading history to prove that your method works
You don't understand simple maths

Avoid this scam.

I mean, I literally quoted from your whitepaper.


Yeah, it's a ponzi scheme. You let people cash out in the early stages to build trust and entice larger and larger deposits. Then once you have enough money to satisfy your greed, you disappear.


You are the ones claiming 100% risk free returns every month. If that were even remotely possible, do you not think everyone would be doing it?


If you can double money so easily, why do you need people to give you 0.01 ETH? If what you are advertising is true, you could just double double double double your money and have thousands of ETH in no time.


I have read your whitepaper, and I repeat what I said before: It is child-like. Awful English and grammar throughout, to the point where some sentences don't even make sense. It contains such childish and unprofessional phrases as "modernized financial magic". The entire thing is a complete mess, but the "Doubling Cycle" on page 6 really stands out as an exceptionally stupid mess and showcases how this is so obviously a scam.

Good job not answering a single one of my questions though. That looks real professional.

Avoid this scam.

So we should just put up with scam coins because otherwise people will lose faith? Nonsense. The sooner all these scam coins like Verge disappear, the sooner we can all have more faith in the coins that remain.

That's a lot of traders you are giving access to the funds. How are you individually vetting them? How do you know one of them won't just make off with the money?


What if you buy at a peak and it drops? What are your stop-losses? How will your trading plan alter to recover your losses? What if you run out of funds?


How can you guarantee 2.5% a day? What if you don't hit that target? What if a single bad trade wipes out all your gains?


Where's the data to support this 50% number? Did you just pull that out of your ass? A 50% loss percentage doesn't mean 50% of your trades made no gains, it means 50% of your trades lost money, so your monthly outcome will be 0% or less.


If this was risk free as you claim, you could just take out a bank loan for $5000, and in one year turn it in to $20 million. The fact you are not doing this, and are instead trying to get people to give you their money with no collateral or security, is evidence enough that you are a scam.


This is a child-like plan. I don't know how anyone could be stupid enough to throw their money at something that is even more obviously a scam than Bitconnect.

That's a lot of traders you are giving access to the funds. How are you individually vetting them? How do you know one of them won't just make off with the money?


What if you buy at a peak and it drops? What are your stop-losses? How will your trading plan alter to recover your losses? What if you run out of funds?


How can you guarantee 2.5% a day? What if you don't hit that target? What if a single bad trade wipes out all your gains?


Where's the data to support this 50% number? Did you just pull that out of your ass? A 50% loss percentage doesn't mean 50% of your trades made no gains, it means 50% of your trades lost money, so your monthly outcome will be 0% or less.


If this was risk free as you claim, you could just take out a bank loan for $5000, and in one year turn it in to $20 million. The fact you are not doing this, and are instead trying to get people to give you their money with no collateral or security, is evidence enough that you are a scam.


This is a child-like plan. I don't know how anyone could be stupid enough to throw their money at something that is even more obviously a scam than Bitconnect.

I wouldn't agree with that. Default trust is fine for newbies, but after spending some time on the forum you know who you would trust and who you wouldn't. There are several people who aren't on DT/are being actively excluded from DT who I would trust more than some DT members.