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[o_e_l_e_o]

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The intricacies of innocence, guilt, due process, verdicts, punishment and the trust system are entirely lost on digaran.

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[digaran]

I never said anything about bribing, I said that you should ask Lauda about a cost,

Do you not see the contradiction in that? If there is a cost involved in removing the tag then that is a form of bribery irrespective of whether that cost is financial or community service. I think this lack of understanding is the root of all your current problems.

I wouldn't defend anybody if they are guilty.

If a lawyer adopted that approach then they would have just appointed themselves as judge and jury as well.

There is no contradiction, when you give the power for removing the tag or giving the tag to a person it could be easily abused, just like they are all abusing it, they would tag anybody they want and nobody is stopping them. I want to know if this is a sanctioned policy by this forum or not? if this is supported by forum then Bitcoin forum is no more.

Judge and jury are DT2 members here, I am offering to be a lawyer, only one case and that seemed to be a guilty one in my opinion, if you have another idea then you should say it. I believe that at least 3 reputable members need to step in for any case and if they say that a tag is well deserved we should move on, but this is not an acceptable method to use by forum, they would include somebody on DT2 and would give them power over everybody else. When some of the reputable members get involved and vote against a neg trust, DT2 member wouldn't care about their opinions and would keep the tag on.

I believe in consensus voting just like the system we have with Bitcoin, however in the forum we need somebody who is neutral at all times, I'm trying to be that person, I want to have a chance at helping people. I'd want to have a voice that actually matters, after doing a few cases we could establish if I am really neutral or not. but this is just the start of my work and suchmoon tagged me even before I start doing it. I'd call that abuse of power.

You need to see what I'm saying here, whether I ask for money or doing it for free, what I am doing is the right thing IMHO. look at the results of my work in progress, if I had any power which I don't have unfortunately, we could punish abusers of power as soon as they have abused their power, in time none of the DT members would leave negative trust inaccurately on people. I want to achieve that goal.

If I see that somebody is guilty, I wont take their case, only would give them advice. I'm not a crook lawyer to take the money from criminals and innocents alike.

Do you doubt my judgement? please tell me where do you think I was wrong and let me to provide my reasons, given enough time you'll see that my judgement is sound. don't ask about my own tags because I have provided enough reasons as to why they are not legit in reputation threads.

If there is no room for such a person in this system then I'd suggest that nobody trust anyone here, because cartels would operate this way, they wont allow for justice to be served.

[suchmoon]

There is no contradiction, when you give the power for removing the tag or giving the tag to a person it could be easily abused, just like they are all abusing it, they would tag anybody they want and nobody is stopping them. I want to know if this is a sanctioned policy by this forum or not? if this is supported by forum then Bitcoin forum is no more.

Judge and jury are DT2 members here, I am offering to be a lawyer, only one case and that seemed to be a guilty one in my opinion, if you have another idea then you should say it. I believe that at least 3 reputable members need to step in for any case and if they say that a tag is well deserved we should move on, but this is not an acceptable method to use by forum, they would include somebody on DT2 and would give them power over everybody else. When some of the reputable members get involved and vote against a neg trust, DT2 member wouldn't care about their opinions and would keep the tag on.

Who decides who those 3 reputable members are? You? Basically you want your own hand-picked "DT" to override forum's DT.

I believe in consensus voting just like the system we have with Bitcoin, however in the forum we need somebody who is neutral at all times, I'm trying to be that person, I want to have a chance at helping people. I'd want to have a voice that actually matters, after doing a few cases we could establish if I am really neutral or not. but this is just the start of my work and suchmoon tagged me even before I start doing it. I'd call that abuse of power.

You're not neutral at all. You come up with wildest conspiracy theories when you don't like someone or something. You're flat out lying when you don't get your way.

You need to see what I'm saying here, whether I ask for money or doing it for free, what I am doing is the right thing IMHO. look at the results of my work in progress, if I had any power which I don't have unfortunately, we could punish abusers of power as soon as they have abused their power, in time none of the DT members would leave negative trust inaccurately on people. I want to achieve that goal.

If I see that somebody is guilty, I wont take their case, only would give them advice. I'm not a crook lawyer to take the money from criminals and innocents alike.

Do you doubt my judgement? please tell me where do you think I was wrong and let me to provide my reasons, given enough time you'll see that my judgement is sound. don't ask about my own tags because I have provided enough reasons as to why they are not legit in reputation threads.

If there is no room for such a person in this system then I'd suggest that nobody trust anyone here, because cartels would operate this way, they wont allow for justice to be served.

Your perception of the trust system makes you unfit to play any role in it. You keep referring to it as "power", you have expressed ridiculous ideas such as paying for trust removal, you're refusing to use the tools that are already in place, and it appears that you don't even know the basics of how it works.

We really don't need to amend the trust system - flawed as it may be - with the "judgement" of one unstable individual.

[digaran]

Who decides who those 3 reputable members are? You?

Mutual selection. then if those 3 reputable members lie, people would see and they would lose their reputation if they lie or misjudge.

Bump.
Free service here guys. try my service and let us bring power abusers to the light of justice, let us show the whole community their true faces.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Mutual selection. then if those 3 reputable members lie, people would see and they would lose their reputation if they lie or misjudge.

Three reputable members with green trust have already painted you red. As you can tell from the several threads you have created about this nonsense, the community supports their decisions. By your own criteria, this case is closed.

I'd ask you again to lock these threads, but I know I'd have better luck talking to a brick wall.

[digaran]

Bump, free service here. I will soon include 2 new cases of power abuse by Vod and actmyname in the second reserved post of this thread.

Cheers.

[suchmoon]

Bump, free service here. I will soon include 2 new cases of power abuse by Vod and actmyname in the second reserved post of this thread.

Cheers.

What's your progress with those cases?

[digaran]

Bump, free service here. I will soon include 2 new cases of power abuse by Vod and actmyname in the second reserved post of this thread.

Cheers.

What's your progress with those cases?

Beside the three tags from you, marlboroza and actmyname, those 2 other cases are completely voluntary and I have received no money for them. thanks for asking.

Here is my argument:

If we could find a way to stop people from abusing other people with DT position they were given temporarily, we'll have a healthy community where people could do their businesses right.

I believe that Vod has misused the trust system by tagging Anduck with red after 2 years, actmyname misused the trust system by tagging Anduck with green without having any past dealings with Anduck, and I also believe that Vod has also misused the trust system by tagging actmyname with green after actmyname countered Vod's feedback on Anduck. however I am willing to forgive both Vod and actmyname if they accept that what they have done is wrong, they are not going to because they think whatever they are doing is right unless somebody in a position of power says otherwise. unfortunately the people in any position of authority around these forums are busy doing God knows what? then I have no other choice than publicly posting about the wrong doings of people in hopes of getting the attention of community members and letting them know who they are dealing with here.

[suchmoon]

Beside the three tags from you, marlboroza and actmyname, those 2 other cases are completely voluntary and I have received no money for them. thanks for asking.

Here is my argument:

If we could find a way to stop people from abusing other people with DT position they were given temporarily, we'll have a healthy community where people could do their businesses right.

I believe that Vod has misused the trust system by tagging Anduck with red after 2 years, actmyname misused the trust system by tagging Anduck with green without having any past dealings with Anduck, and I also believe that Vod has also misused the trust system by tagging actmyname with green after actmyname countered Vod's feedback on Anduck. however I am willing to forgive both Vod and actmyname if they accept that what they have done is wrong, they are not going to because they think whatever they are doing is right unless somebody in a position of power says otherwise. unfortunately the people in any position of authority around these forums are busy doing God knows what? then I have no other choice than publicly posting about the wrong doings of people in hopes of getting the attention of community members and letting them know who they are dealing with here.

I'm not asking what your opinions are, I've seen enough of that. What have you actually accomplished towards your stated goal? Have you removed any red trust? Have you removed anyone from DT? Do you even have any actual customers who would acknowledge that you're working on their "cases"?

[digaran]

I'm not asking what your opinions are, I've seen enough of that. What have you actually accomplished towards your stated goal? Have you removed any red trust? Have you removed anyone from DT? Do you even have any actual customers who would acknowledge that you're working on their "cases"?

Nobody is using my service yet.

[o_e_l_e_o]

2 other cases are completely voluntary and I have received no money for them.

Nobody is using my service yet.

What?

I have no other choice than publicly posting about the wrong doings of people

Except you do. You could PM the DT1 members in question. I suspect the reason you haven't is that you know that they will agree with everyone else over you.

[suchmoon]

I'm not asking what your opinions are, I've seen enough of that. What have you actually accomplished towards your stated goal? Have you removed any red trust? Have you removed anyone from DT? Do you even have any actual customers who would acknowledge that you're working on their "cases"?

Nobody is using my service yet.

So the 6 "cases" - why do you have them here? Particularly the ones that don't involve you.

Suchmoon abuse of power:

Case #1: Case #1

Actmyname abuse of power:

Case #1: Case #1

Case #2: Case #2

Marlboroza abuse of power:

Case #1: Case #1

Vod abuse of power:

Case #1: Case #1

Case #2: Case #2

[bill gator]

Nobody is using my service yet.

Do you think that 6-pages of discussion and a month of operation without a single client is indicative of a successful service?
Any service that has followed this pattern in the past will tell you that it is time to close up shop, digaran.

[digaran]

So the 6 "cases" - why do you have them here? Particularly the ones that don't involve you.

My goal is to eradicate the habit of leaving inaccurate feedbacks on people. whether it to be positive or negative. what kind of a person would I be if I were only trying to get involved where my own profile was at stake? note that you tagged me even before I start. 2 new cases of Vod and actmyname could be considered as my new work in progress.

Note again: even if you remove your tags on me, there will be no fee for my service, one could conclude that I have eliminated all the possible ways of colluding with DT members. if you remove your tags on me I wont be getting any money for my service since it will remain free for ever.

Nobody is using my service yet.

Do you think that 6-pages of discussion and a month of operation without a single client is indicative of a successful service?
Any service that has followed this pattern in the past will tell you that it is time to close up shop, digaran.

Well, I have no advertisements on this forum, only way for people to know about my service is by visiting this section if they could see my thread.
About closing shop: not going to happen, I will not back down so easily.

[suchmoon]

I have a potential customer for you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4432189.0

[digaran]

I have a potential customer for you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4432189.0

Scam.
Better to keep your kids away from DT2 members?

Are we in a park walking here? what a joke. any serious case you have for me? I'm bored.

[suchmoon]

I have a potential customer for you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4432189.0

Scam.
Better to keep your kids away from DT2 members?

Are we in a park walking here? what a joke. any serious case you have for me? I'm bored.

You already have 6 cases. How could you possibly be bored?

[digaran]

You already have 6 cases. How could you possibly be bored?

I need some big fish here, those cases are low level crooks, they have been abusing other people for years and people are too coward to speak against them, don't get me wrong, I am on your side as long as you are good, we'll have a problem when people start misusing the trust system.

Merit wasn't my thing, trust is now my thing. I'm watching you suchmoon, be careful if you do something bad I will come after you. friendly warning.

[marlboroza]

[digaran]

Bump. we have a new winner: as always our DT2 member "suchmoon" this time has tried to counter a legitimate negative trust to provide a free pass for a known account seller, read the second post and case number 2 for suchmoon to understand the situation. this is the same suchmoon who tagged me 2 times for this thread. don't forget that.