Why do you need proof of someone getting ripped off to know that an obvious scam is a scam?

If people started looking for proof that these things were legit instead of proof that they were scams they would lose a lot less money.

It is a silly way and you are silly for thinking that it would work.

If there was a simple way to set up a bot to guarantee a win on these dice sites they would have ran out of coins a long time ago. You have no idea what happened since you set up a bot to do it, but on the last roll if you lost you would be down .55 btc and if you were up you would be up 0.00000027 BTC, that is an insanely stupid situation to put yourself in.

I have an update on all 3 guys.

They stole your money, you guys sat around for over a year doing nothing, so they're gone and so are your coins.

The plus with DMD is that there's no lie about a 20 dollar floor, no one was "forced" into it via some other failed venture, and I don't see any horseshit like hashstakers and prime controllers to give certain people more free coins than anyone else, so people will get exactly what they are paying for.

Why they are paying for it is another question. Anyone thinking a coin with 1k trade volume a day will be able to support people cashing out all those extra free coins is insane.

Did they really not give back 38k paycoins from paybase to these two guys? That's how you know we're dealing with real scumbags. At the current price those coins are worth like 200 bucks, Garza really took every last cent he could out of these intrepid investors.

If it was really a failed investment/company whatever, they would give back the 200 and move on, but since we're dealing with total crooks they keep every last cent they can.

Good thing you guys gave him a few extra months to hide himself and his coins better so you could get back those few extra pennies.

The times you guys ask for proof are truly amazing.


Scammer: "i'm doing cloud mining, give me your money, I have no proof."

Idiot: "ok, take my money."

then 2 weeks later


random guy: "that guy who said he was doing cloud mining sold all your info,"

Idiot: "where's the proof??? post it in this thread because I didn't go to that site yesterday and see the first 1k account info posted in plaintext, the guy offering to sell it for 1btc, or the several posts yesterday all over the forum about the leak/possible sale."

Then don't say you vouch for him.

Don't vouch for people you haven't done business with. If everyone followed that rule there would be significantly less people getting ripped off here.

That's not how you vouch for people.

No wonder so many people here get ripped off, "i never did business with him, but he seems nice, give him your coins..."

any new excuses? silence? or just "delays?"

In the crypto world "zero fees" is actually always:

 "zero fees*

*except where we take a cut converting from one type of currency to another and how we will make sure we benefit no matter which way the coin price goes."

Oy, wish I saw this before it started.

In general with poker staking if you are getting 1% of the payouts you should pay around 1% of the buy in. Guy hasn't cashed live since 06 and was looking for people to give him a 55% freeroll in the the main event.

The poker players that get to keep 50% of the profits and put up no money are usually on long term deals that have a better chance of success and have to pay back the makeup for all the tournaments they didn't cash in.

Ponzi's are illegal in lots of places.

the problem is that because of how they work, and especially how bitcoin ponzis work. It is very difficult to impossible for law enforcement to get the money back because the scammers spend it and/or give it away to other people participating in the scam.

You are much better off using your brain and holding on to your money than giving it to a scammer and hoping that Uncle Sam or whoever will get it back for you. Especially because the scams popping up on this form are actually very small time when compared to the rest of the shit the authorities who would be dealing with this are trying to deal with.

this is the gambler's fallacy.

Just lost 1 roll, that doesn't mean the next 9 have to be wins. If each individual roll has a 90% chance of winning, and they are truly independent, you won't necessarily win 90 out of 100, because 100 isn't very many rolls.

Also, you are forgetting about the house edge. If you did 100 rolls, and won 90 and lost 10 you would still have less money than you started with because of the house edge, that's how casinos make money.

Very open. No proof of fresh coins, never an answer to how their "vip shares" wouldn't cause any trouble with the authorities for being securities, etc.

And people are trying to convince you why that is a bad idea.


the point of mining is to get bitcoins. If you buy bitcoins, you will have x bitcoins today. If you "invest" in cloud mining maybe you will get x bitcoins in 6 months if about 100 things go perfectly.

Isn't that the entire point of this section of the forum?


Anyway, sorry to you guys that lost coins, but before you try something like this again, think it over for a bit.

People that are good at sports betting don't need your coins because they can win coins via betting. All this guys picks came from a site with a 1 btc max bet, so he couldn't really use your coins to make more money (which is at least plausible in some other scenarios).

He lied to you, but his plan never made sense even if he wasn't lying, so it's on you for getting robbed.

Well, you should.

That is what you paid for. It's possible to track and predict what is going to happen with that. Any other way he is "making money" is:

a) a lie

b) can be anything so you have no way to judge how good/bad your "investment" is

c) possibly illegal so besides all the risks of a normal investment you have to worry about the authorities getting involved.

This guy was posting his picks in another thread but only lasted 2 days after I tried to keep track of how much money his system would win.

He lasted 2 days and was 4-3 +.43 units. 1 unit had to be less than 1 bitcoin because 1 bitcoin was the max bet on all his bets and he was betting on heavy favorites, which means small payouts even if he bet the full bitcoin on them.

I am not sure how plausible his payout scheme here is, but just thought to give a heads up here. He picks big favorites, which are easy to pick but have small payouts, and 1 miss will take at least 3 wins to make up for, so just be careful.

That requires work, effort, and spending money. Those things aren't in ganza's playbook.

Ganza playbook: collect money