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1661  Other / Off-topic / Re: 1GH/s, 20w, $700 (was $500) — Butterflylabs, is it for real? (Part 2) on: February 19, 2012, 07:05:46 AM
I just ran some numbers for Inaba's Single @ https://eclipsemc.com/mw.php?key=196e69b1afe10927460b22a8de1c0d:

3:23pm CST: 65612 shares
12:08am CST: 70949 shares (8h45m later)

So the average hashrate during that 8h45m period was:

70949-65612 = 5337 shares in 31500 seconds (8h45m)
5337 shares * 2^32 hashes/share is 2.29e13 hashes
2.29e13 hashes / 31500s = 727Mhps

Not too bad, but still 13% lower than the advertised specs of 832Mhps.  Sad

Somewhat disappointing.  I figured the first SNAFU with promised specs would teach them to underpromise this time.  

1662  Other / Off-topic / Re: 1GH/s, 20w, $700 (was $500) — Butterflylabs, is it for real? (Part 2) on: February 18, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
Thank you windows update for rebooting the BFL computer.  You are now disabled. Smiley 

Unit is back up and running.


Ugggg....I always have to remember to disable the automatic updates on my new installs.  Hate that shiiit.
1663  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 17, 2012, 08:33:04 PM
Guess everyone can just laugh at me then running 13 rigs on Win7 and using SSD's too. Did I mention most of them are 2600K's and 2500k's. Also 2 rigs with 3 HD7970's each. Got a good laugh going yet?

However can any of you host a Lan/Gaming Party where no one has to bring their own rigs? Can you also mine at 500KHash for lite coins on your Semprons and Linux? I don't still hear the laughter..  Grin

OK enough of the gloating and here is my point. Why does everyone brag that they run this and you should too. Why are you not doing it my way? Why no Linux..

The guy just wants his question answered without all the problems.. If you can't help go blow your horn in another thread.

Sorry I can not properly tell you how to get the drivers packed in your install but I hope this got rid of some of the chatter so you can find your answer. Smiley


That is sexy.  You got yourself some serious hardware.
1664  Other / Off-topic / Re: 1GH/s, 20w, $700 (was $500) — Butterflylabs, is it for real? (Part 2) on: February 17, 2012, 05:16:18 AM
Bitcoin is screwed if this place isn't put under some stricter guidelines.

Bitcoin is a decentralized currency, if it "fails" because of trolls on a forum then it wasn't worth saving to begin with.


x1000
1665  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 17, 2012, 01:55:13 AM
I get 395mhash per core average @ 1.100, 870mhz on 3x 5970 rigs

What are u running at to get 404?


My temps and core clocks don't disappear. What are you using to control your core clocks?

careful bro.....you are gonna get screamed at.  Dudes don't like dissent. 
1666  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 16, 2012, 04:18:34 AM
Havent any of you heard of Remote desktop connection?  I remote into all of my Win7 PC's to check up on CGminer.  Works like a charm. 
RDP fucks with the drivers, often if I use it to connect things go wacky, and if I stop the miner I can't start it again. However, LogMeIn (free version) works great, and has a nice little wake-on-lan feature built into the control panel.

Had this problem with GUIminer......CGminer and Diablo seem to work great. 
1667  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 16, 2012, 04:10:05 AM
Not like it's going to save anything.


dont have to buy harddrives. 
dont have to install operating system from cd. 
dont have to pay to spin the harddrive

you can ssh into a mining rig and still see the temp and clocks. in windows apparently when remoteing in, temps and core clocks disappears, if you can even mine at all.

dont have to pay billy boy
dont have to hook a monitor up to the computer.

that all being said, I am typing this message on a 24in win764 miner14. Smiley


you still have to buy a usb, same price.
hard drive is like 6 watts(few cents a year), you can actually run windows on a usb if one wanted to.
I do like your idea of accessing it remotely, I never really mess with mine though. Been up for about 2 months without crashes.
I just use one monitor, to watch all my miners, they don't need dedicated monitors. Could be a pain if you set one up at another location though.

Havent any of you heard of Remote desktop connection?  I remote into all of my Win7 PC's to check up on CGminer.  Works like a charm. 
1668  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 16, 2012, 01:37:04 AM
$54 Motherboard with rebate - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138303
$40 CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103888
$10  RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576001
$16 USB Stick - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220504

A whopping $120 bucks for 4 slot mining rig (6 if you use PCI - PCIe adapters), giving you the ability to run up to 8 GPUs, though I would recommend 2 5970's and 2 5870's, maybe 3 5970's and 1 5870 depending on your PSU.

Throw in a rebated OCZ 1200w PSU for $225 and you got yourself a pretty rockin' system.  If you wanted to spend a few bucks more, you can find a 5 pcie mobo and either beef up your PSU a bit (if you can find a 1400w) or use two PSU's and power 3x 5970's and 2x 5870's.

As for additional power usage, you are using up 3x - 4x required power per machine, so it's 300%  - 400% of the required power for 6 - 8 GPUs respectively.  

I have a couple mobo's I run 6 cards on, though since Linux has an 8 GPU limit, most of them are 5870's.  Windows has a 4 GPU limit if I recall, or did they finally fix that glaring deficiency?


Thanks for the info....will definitly use this in the future. 
1669  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 16, 2012, 12:28:49 AM
 You are probably spending 3x - 4x as much on power as you need to, unless you get power for free?

Wanted to follow up on this as well.  

I run over 20,000 MH/s......I really doubt the extra CPU's, RAM, and HD (mostly SSD) are using 200-300% as much power as the GPU's.

I would venture I am maybe using 20% more than I need to versus an IDEAL setup, but most certainly not 300-400% more.  I hope that was a typo.  
1670  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 16, 2012, 12:22:57 AM

So for that same $110 a pop, you could have purchased a 5 or 6 PCIe motherboard, cpu and ram.  Threw on a 1200w PSU and mined 6 or 7 GPUs... replacing basically 3 - 4 of the machines you have now, saving a net $100 or so in the process.  (Figuring $200 for a PSU, which may be a bit undervalued, at worst, it would be break even at $300 for a PSU).



Please show me the way.  Would love to find GOOD hardware that cheap. 

My power is hydro-electric, so I really don't care how much I use......it has minimal impact on the environment (in terms of usage). 

Crap away my man.....always looking to improve operations. 
1671  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 15, 2012, 10:36:15 PM
Those machines require more hardware than a Linux install, so you paid more than you needed to.  A mining rig for me, without GPUs costs just under $130 w/o PSU.  How much does your Windows rig cost?

This was the beauty of it.....I was able to purchase Dell T3400 workstations, including license for an average of $110 a pop.  Was able to get around 18 of them. 

Each have 2 PCI slots, and a 550W PSU.  When I was using 5850's, everything was in place for "drop and go" mining. 

Now that I have moved to 5970's and 7970's, I am upgrading the PSU's, but still a killer way to get the infrastructure in place. 
1672  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 15, 2012, 10:19:19 PM
Yes.  Windows is unstable.  Resource hungry. Gaining remote access to your mining rigs is a major pain in the ass under windows vs Linux.  Lacks updates in a timely fashion (see the recent poclbm problems).

Mining is about money (for most people), why throw extra resources at a problem (mining for $$) when you don't have to?  Why complicate things by using a heavyweight OS to accomplish a specific task that can be handled with half the resources and 10x the speed?



Maybe I am stupid for using windows on all of my 25 miners......but I have had great luck keeping them all stable.  Most will mine for weeks on end with no issues whatsoever. 

There are a couple that have issues, but even then it is only once a week or so.

I am lucky enough to have access to as many licenses as I need, so the cost was a non issue. 
1673  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: ATI Radeon 5970 for $350 - Good Deal ? on: February 15, 2012, 09:10:52 PM
No.

5970, although a good card with dual GPUs, awesome for gaming, SUCK ASS for mining.

You cannot crack MSI Afterburner using them.  Which means you cannot underclock the memory or overclock the core very much.

You are better off getting two 5850s and over clocking the HELL out of those.  That is basically what a 5970 is.  Two 5850s but I would rather have two 5850s ANY DAY over 1 5970.


 Huh   This person has no clue what they are talking about. 
1674  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [7btc] on: February 15, 2012, 08:57:44 PM
Why would someone mine with Windows on a dedicated rig?  I can understand it if it's your desktop, but it's absolutely ludicrous to mine a dedicated rig with Windows.  



I assume you are referring to the license cost?  Assuming you had access to unlimited licenses, any other reason why this would be ludicrous? 
1675  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTS 4x 5770 on: February 15, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
All 4 cards arrived today...

Packaged well, and before the parts I ordered from Newegg the same day.  Grin

I'll have pictures if them and hashing away tomorrow.

So far, so good.

Woot woot!! 

Glad to hear everything is going well so far. 

Miner99er paid promptly on the deal.
1676  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Help with CGminer and 5870's.....2 BTC bounty on: February 14, 2012, 10:23:13 PM
That is just too much work wow. I would use Diablo simple install latest AMD driver. Install the msi file for 2.1SDK i can show you where to get. run diablo with just -v2 and get better results than all that other crap. I have a 5850 that is on that setup at 950/400 it gets almost 400MHash average. But if you like a lot of work go the other route.

I tried the settings in this thread, then followed your suggestion and in a few seconds I got more mhash than ever with minimal tweaking, so thanks!

Love this!
1677  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 2 x 5970 Miner 1.4 Ghash/s - Houston, TX on: February 14, 2012, 09:13:30 PM
What is your asking price? 
1678  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] Gift cards for BTC on: February 14, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
I am bumping my offer to 115% of face value to hopefully stir up interest. 
1679  Other / Off-topic / Re: 1GH/s, 20w, $700 (was $500) — Butterflylabs, is it for real? (Part 2) on: February 14, 2012, 08:02:07 PM
I think it works like that:

1) You promise a great product of great performance at a good price to attract buyers.
2) You let the pre-order list build on, that way, you receive money to build your product. It also give you the option of starting without any money.
3) With the money, you build the product you advertise, using what competitors already offer. From what I see, it's probably this board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49180) four times in a nice box.
4) The cost of building the product is probably a lot higher than his sale price. In that case, it cost around 1600$ and sells at 599$.
5) When you build your first batch, you ship them so the first buyers can give feedback.
6) Shipping MUST be slow. It's important later on.
7) The first buyers are indirectly a part of the scam. They are honest people who are going to say to others :"Hey, this thing WORKS! It's awesome, blablabla". The feedback is almost garanteed to be positive.
Cool In the meantime, you can adjust the price if you want. It let you get more money without problems because of the feedback.
9) People who didn't bought into the first batch want to be a part of it now. The price is good, the performance is great, and looking at the feedback of the first buyers, everything is as promised. So, they pre-order too on the next batch.
10) First buyers, getting their promise fulfilled (this box is awesome!) will probably buy another one too.
11) The shipping took a long time the first time, so, on the second time, people will accept the long delay between payment and the reception of their product. People waited two months the first time, they can wait another two months.
12) Wait for the pre-orders, take the money and run. The longer the "shipping" takes, the more time you have to GTFO.

Alternate version:
- You can redo the scam multiple times. You simply need to redo the steps 7 to 11. The second batch buyers will also give great feedback, creating a new wave of batch buyers.
- The scammer will be able to create multiple waves of buyers and increasing his revenue. It's more risky though, because he could find it hard to stop, and it's better if he can control when the scam stop (instead of being discovered). When he decides when to stop, he can use his "shipping" delay more effectively to get out and hide.

Well, I'm interested to see how this will end. Have fun!


Interesting theory.  Though it would be more lucrative for BFL to push the "Rig Box" after basking in the glow of initial positive reviews of the single. 
1680  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTB] Gift cards for BTC on: February 14, 2012, 05:00:14 PM
why you don´t use paysafe cards?
if you buy them here in forum you can return them in cash that is working since over 2 years.
There is no identity requested for these cards and so ...

I can also change your bitcoins in paysafe cards if you want i change you thousand of bitcoins to these codes.

I would prefer giftcards. 
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