Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
but it seems statistically odd that EVERY donation greater in value than 0.5 btc (not a huge sum) went through a mixer BEFORE being donated. that's not a random pattern. that behaviour. Oh it went through a mixer before not after, sorry, I misunderstood that. Anyway what's the problem if a creator wants to get a stash in his own project? is it technically possible to send donations through a mixer to be resubmitted as 'new' coin to an ICO? and why should you do that? English modal verbs can be a bit tricky to master i see your point, but you would only fake donations to your own ICO. but for what? so that others feel more inclined to donate? the effect is so small thats not worth it. |
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Well, you really don't know where the BTCs that have been donated come from. They might come from illegal activities.
I can see what Lannister's doing: somehow, being in charge with the funds, he might be associated with some tainted BTC. I see no problem in mixing the funds.
but it seems statistically odd that EVERY donation greater in value than 0.5 btc (not a huge sum) went through a mixer BEFORE being donated. that's not a random pattern. that behaviour. Oh it went through a mixer before not after, sorry, I misunderstood that. Anyway what's the problem if a creator wants to get a stash in his own project? is it technically possible to send donations through a mixer to be resubmitted as 'new' coin to an ICO? and why should you do that? |
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Please cryptoknight, does your post always have to be that big....  i put him on ignore  |
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There are far more people that missed Lisk ICO than people who missed Ethereum ICO. Ethereum was widely advertised and Vitalik was famous.
imo most folks (me included) needed some time to understand what ETH is really doing and came then step by step into the market. Lisk had ALOT of attention and (like i said) that brings the question: who missed the boat and has to buy now on the exchanges? there has been some marketing going on the last weeks and moths since the ICO so lets see how that plays out and brings in fresh coins. also for Lisk its very important that ETH is performing well, so lets hope that ETH's DAO-bullrun goes on for a while because it helps every coin that markets itself as a competitor. a shit ton. People who were not paying attention due to other work related things. People who were focused on rising ETH price who did not sell to get into lisk. People who spent all their money on ETH at the top of the market. People who don't give a fuck about bitcointalk as it was really the only place Lisk was promoted. People who don't pay attention to twitter. People who believed the FUD People who just learned about Bitcoin today. You act like there's only 4000 people playing pro crypto trader right now. and a "shit ton" will be needed to drive marketcap from 7mio to 20mio.  Ok, well that's a separate issue. You were asking who would not have already invested. How many it will take to get to 20m is unknown, could be just one person bringing in another 14m or 14m people bringing in $1. yeah, lets see, i just say folks dont be disappointed if its NOT 1$ at the start |
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And that is why you won't see many people selling any Lisk under $1-$2
i'm afraid you will get disappointed. i have seen it so often and threads are full then with "Who the fuck sells this low?! Dont they know that xyz?" And so on and on and on. |
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There are far more people that missed Lisk ICO than people who missed Ethereum ICO. Ethereum was widely advertised and Vitalik was famous.
imo most folks (me included) needed some time to understand what ETH is really doing and came then step by step into the market. Lisk had ALOT of attention and (like i said) that brings the question: who missed the boat and has to buy now on the exchanges? there has been some marketing going on the last weeks and moths since the ICO so lets see how that plays out and brings in fresh coins. also for Lisk its very important that ETH is performing well, so lets hope that ETH's DAO-bullrun goes on for a while because it helps every coin that markets itself as a competitor. a shit ton. People who were not paying attention due to other work related things. People who were focused on rising ETH price who did not sell to get into lisk. People who spent all their money on ETH at the top of the market. People who don't give a fuck about bitcointalk as it was really the only place Lisk was promoted. People who don't pay attention to twitter. People who believed the FUD People who just learned about Bitcoin today. You act like there's only 4000 people playing pro crypto trader right now. and a "shit ton" will be needed to drive marketcap from 7mio to 20mio. |
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There are far more people that missed Lisk ICO than people who missed Ethereum ICO. Ethereum was widely advertised and Vitalik was famous.
imo most folks (me included) needed some time to understand what ETH is really doing and came then step by step into the market. Lisk had ALOT of attention and (like i said) that brings the question: who missed the boat and has to buy now on the exchanges? there has been some marketing going on the last weeks and moths since the ICO so lets see how that plays out and brings in fresh coins. also for Lisk its very important that ETH is performing well, so lets hope that ETH's DAO-bullrun goes on for a while because it helps every coin that markets itself as a competitor. |
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Are you sure that you know how the market really works?
nobody really "knows" how the markets are working, all we have is experience and logic thats all. and yes i think i have plenty of experience in markets in general and cryptocurrencies in particular. but hey maybe i am wrong an we WILL see 1$ at the start, i have no issues with that. only thing that really is kind of annoying is the confidence that i witness here that everything will be just perfect and everybody will be millionaire by tomorrow. euphoria is a big mistake while handling investments. |
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Lisk 0.20$ at launch which still means x3 for every holder.
You're joking right? -snip- Lisk at 0.20$ puts Lisk's marketcap at only $20million, under Dogecoin marketcap of $24million. Can you enlighten us on what makes Dogecoin more valuable than Lisk ?   oh, you see just because Dogecoin could have a marketcap thats way out of proportion doesnt mean that Lisk has to go to 100mio+ Following your logic every better project than Dogecoin should have marketcaps of 50mio+ But they havent! There are several good projects out there with MK way below 10mio for example. How many of those several good projects out there with MarketCap way below 10mio is actually more popular than Dogecoin ? The answer is : ZEROOTOH, Lisk is not only a great project, it's also MORE POPULAR than Dogecoin, hence it should certainly place well above Dogecoin marketcap. i wouldnt concentrate so much on that Dogecoin thing just to come to xyz marketcap for Lisk. ask yourself another question: from where should that extra buying power come that is needed? you see the ICO had a very good marketing campaign in front of it, so everyone who is interested had its chance to invest. only those folks that havent heard already about Lisk could propel the price higher after the launch. but who hasnt noticed Lisk at the ICO? at least here in bitcointalk i would say that with all those sig-campaigns ALOT of folks already jumped on the boat that are interested in Lisk. to propel the price now 3x the ICO would need lots of external capital. edit: maybe i am wrong but everything over lets say 20mio would surprise me. |
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Lisk 0.20$ at launch which still means x3 for every holder.
You're joking right? Lisk at 0.20$ puts Lisk's marketcap at only $20million, under Dogecoin marketcap of $24million. Can you enlighten us on what makes Dogecoin more valuable than Lisk ? He is just playing the market which market may i ask? You are here for money or what... a.) there is no market at the moment to play with b.) i am already an investor and probably deeper in Lisk than 95% of folks in here nevertheless i am no idiot and when i see folks in here full of "i have missed the ETH-boat but now i am going to be a millionaire!" it really disgusts me to some extent, because it shows complete lack of ability to understand these markets, paired with "Wanna be rich by tomorow!"-attitude. |
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lol whose selling for $0.20 at the 24th?  fyp |
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Lisk 0.20$ at launch which still means x3 for every holder.
You're joking right? Lisk at 0.20$ puts Lisk's marketcap at only $20million, under Dogecoin marketcap of $24million. Can you enlighten us on what makes Dogecoin more valuable than Lisk ? He is just playing the market which market may i ask? |
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Lisk 0.20$ at launch which still means x3 for every holder.
You're joking right? no, why should i? 20mio would be a very nice marketcap, the fact that folks here get agitated if you dont agree with price estimations of 1$+ just shows how much delusion gathers in this thread. Lisk at 0.20$ puts Lisk's marketcap at only $20million, under Dogecoin marketcap of $24million. Can you enlighten us on what makes Dogecoin more valuable than Lisk ? oh, you see just because Dogecoin could have a marketcap thats way out of proportion doesnt mean that Lisk has to go to 100mio+ Following your logic every better project than Dogecoin should have marketcaps of 50mio+ But they havent! There are several good projects out there with MK way below 10mio for example. |
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Lisk 0.20$ at launch which still means x3 for every holder.
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i am the guy who said "i wouldnt bet on LISK launching at the 24th", indeed. so you are a believer in "Lisk will go to 10$"? Yep and then you asked for odds, someone gave you 1:1 odds for 1 Bitcoin and you never replied. LMAO nope, someone else asked me for odds and i said 1:1, but then betting against my own investment didnt seem right to me. those 1BTC wouldnt be much of a hedge anyways so i prefer that Lisk launches at the 24th as planned. That's not how it happened and unfortunately for you anyone can go back and look. Fortunately, for you, no one probably cares enough to do so. puh, you are somehow an annoying lad it seems. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1346646.msg14810781#msg14810781and now i think its enough offtopic for now. |
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i am the guy who said "i wouldnt bet on LISK launching at the 24th", indeed. so you are a believer in "Lisk will go to 10$"? Yep and then you asked for odds, someone gave you 1:1 odds for 1 Bitcoin and you never replied. LMAO nope, someone else asked me for odds and i said 1:1, but then betting against my own investment didnt seem right to me. those 1BTC wouldnt be much of a hedge anyways so i prefer that Lisk launches at the 24th as planned. |
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jeez, the grade of dellusion is immense in this thread at the moment. 10$ would equal a marketcap of 1 Billion USD. lol.
its really somehow entertaining to see how prospect of becoming wealthy seems sometimes to hinder the ability of clear thinking.
if Lisk gets a marketcap of 20mio at the start that would be a REALLY good start. 1 Billion is just nonsense.
Aren't you the guy that wouldn't take a 1 BTC bet whether or not LISK would launch. LMAO i am the guy who said "i wouldnt bet on LISK launching at the 24th", indeed. so you are a believer in "Lisk will go to 10$"? |
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I wonder what the price of LISK will be soon?
I am thinking $10 per LISK by June 2nd. The tech behind Lisk has to become known to the masses in cryptocurrency. There are a lot of individuals that just don't believe JavaScript dapps and sidechains can work much less be more efficient. I believe in LISK hence why I invested in the ico! Here is Max aka the CEO of LISK explaining the differences between Ethereum and LISK. http://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/2104/how-does-lisk-differ-from-ethereum/3176#3176jeez, the grade of dellusion is immense in this thread at the moment. 10$ would equal a marketcap of 1 Billion USD. lol. its really somehow entertaining to see how prospect of becoming wealthy seems sometimes to hinder the ability of clear thinking. if Lisk gets a marketcap of 20mio at the start that would be a REALLY good start. 1 Billion is just nonsense. |
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er hatte jedoch auch RCP offen und die entsprechenden Ports geöffnet. das macht der 0815 user normalerweise nie, das ist nur notwendig bei miningrigs welche remote-controlled werden sollen.
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