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1681  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price Chart: April 9th = $200, April 15th = $300 on: April 06, 2013, 05:38:57 PM
$5000 by December 25 2013. $10,000 by spring 2014. $20,000 by summer 2014. $100,000 by Dec 2014.
1682  Economy / Economics / Re: Early Retirement Extreme on: April 06, 2013, 05:22:59 PM
Any of you guys read Jacob Fisker Lund's blog before he stopped being early retired? Basically he made about $40,000 a year as a grad student, lived on about $7,000 a year and saved the rest for 5 years before becoming financially independent. Seems like he could have done it in two years if bitcoin had been in the picture.

http://earlyretirementextreme.com/

I've had this vision of selling all one's possessions for bitcoin, getting down to just what would fit in a backpack and travelling the world for 3-5 years waiting for full valuation to arrive.

Yes I read it a couple of years back, it opened my eyes (further) for the possibilities.


The question is how many coins would it take to retire in 5 years? 25 probably isn't going to be enough. 100 on the other hand and you'd be set for life. Each coin would probably be $50,000. If you have 100 then thats like having a salary of $50,000 per year for the rest of your life, you can retire with 100BTC. You can't retire with 25 BTC unless you're in your 50s-60s.


Please do not assume $50000 per coin. That requires a valuation of ~1T$ which is a lot (I'm assuming 4-6-2013 US $ wrt buying power). Of course one can't help but dream Smiley

1T$ isn't really a lot. $5000 per coin is reasonable over the next 12-24 months. It probably will hit $5000 by Jan 2014.
1683  Economy / Economics / Re: Early Retirement Extreme on: April 06, 2013, 05:08:38 PM
Any of you guys read Jacob Fisker Lund's blog before he stopped being early retired? Basically he made about $40,000 a year as a grad student, lived on about $7,000 a year and saved the rest for 5 years before becoming financially independent. Seems like he could have done it in two years if bitcoin had been in the picture.

http://earlyretirementextreme.com/

I've had this vision of selling all one's possessions for bitcoin, getting down to just what would fit in a backpack and travelling the world for 3-5 years waiting for full valuation to arrive.

How many BTC precisely would it take? Certainly buy some, but sell all your possessions? Be miserable for then next 3 years? How many BTC would that take?

At a price of $200 per coin, and you buy 25 coins, 5000/200=25, you'll need $5000 just for 25 coins. At this point in time $5000 is reasonable, but it wont be reasonable to get 25 coins when the price is $1000 per coin and it could reach that price by the summer. Suddenly 25 coins is $25,000 and only the most elite rich people can afford it. Of course you could just save your coins and that's wise, as BTC is best for savings anyway.

The question is how many coins would it take to retire in 5 years? 25 probably isn't going to be enough. 100 on the other hand and you'd be set for life. Each coin would probably be $50,000. If you have 100 then thats like having a salary of $50,000 per year for the rest of your life, you can retire with 100BTC. You can't retire with 25 BTC unless you're in your 50s-60s.
1684  Economy / Speculation / Re: The road to $1000 would be much harder on: April 06, 2013, 04:56:56 PM
The worry is how to acquire enough of these coins to actually have any purchasing power within BTC? Price of products will be an issue.

If I have 1BTC, but products sell for 40-50BTC then I cannot afford something like an ASIC for instance. If I can't afford that then I cannot afford to mine. If I cannot do mining then eventually I'll not have BTC at all.

It's currently hard or impossible to earn BTC and too easy to lose it. This has to be more balanced.

I think BTC is good because encouraging savings encourages people not to spend their precious BTC on crap they don't really need or which wont produce profit. The problem with now is if we buy a bunch of BTC we have not enough stuff to in invest in.

Let's use an example, lets say you buy 4 BTC for $1000. You now want to invest these BTC so that 4 becomes 8 and 8 becomes 16. Can anyone tell me how to do it? To me there are two strengths of BTC, it's a wonderful investment currency, and it's deflationary thus encourages saving. The problem is we don't give people anything to invest in right now, and so people are encouraged to save and if they do decide to spend it's on stupid stuff like 14,000 BTC on a pizza.
1685  Economy / Speculation / Re: The road to $1000 would be much harder on: April 06, 2013, 04:52:49 PM
I think if we can see some more market stability - more online merchants will adopt btc as a payment method - which in turn will reduce the amount of "Cash Exit" clients. - If you could buy fuel cards / clothing and even pay your electricity bill with BTC then you would be less inclined to exit.

It's just hard for certain tangible products to be paid for in BTC when there is no means to protect the buyer...

What effect does it have when people trade BTC for LTC for PPC etc? Would they be trading down and damaging BTC? Or helping BTC by providing competition and diversity?


There are a lot of cryptocurrencies but only three seem to have legit novelty and potential and that seems to be LTC and PPC. LTC is very well marketed, good logo, good name, faster, but it's also less scarce and it's not accepted anywhere. What about PPC? PPC is even less scarce and where would anyone accept it?

1686  Economy / Speculation / Re: A year from now (2014/04/05) on: April 06, 2013, 01:39:40 PM
I think were few years away from the growth a majority of the people in this thread are predicting.  We will definitely see some sort of crazy volatile event by this time next year in which a lot of people will lose a lot of money. 

How can you lose money if you don't SELL OUT?
1687  Economy / Speculation / Re: A year from now (2014/04/05) on: April 06, 2013, 01:36:27 PM
Your maths is wrong.
It's approximate. Calculation method is a spreadsheet that multiplies the cell above by 1.05.

Can you take a screenshot
1688  Economy / Speculation / Re: BREAKING-LEAK:Identities+emails of rich hiding cash offshore $32trillion's worth on: April 06, 2013, 06:37:42 AM
When the names are finally released it will be fascinating to see all the (champagne) socialists on there.  No doubt the lefties will make up the bulk of the list, but "capitalism" will get the rap.
...

Would not surprise me.  Most of the highly intelligent people I know are pretty left-wing, and it is easier to get ahead if one is bright.  Most of the right wingers I know are dolts who are in debt up to their eyebrows.  OTOH, lots of silver-spoon kids grow up to be right-wingers also and they may account for the bulk of the capital.

Now left-wing wealthy folks are probably less inclined to be tax cheats, but there will certainly be many exceptions to the rule.

If Assange is behind this, it could well be his get-out-of-jail-free card.  It makes me again wonder what might be in 'insurance.aes256'



Artful, tvbcof.   Cheesy

And I wonder if this might have been sparked - or even perhaps be a part of - Assange's insurance.  We've all learned quite a bit in the past few years about how - and especially how not - to release massively damaging information to the public.  It's a very interesting event.

What do these tax cheats have to do with Assange or Wikileaks? How exactly is it saving the world to expose the tax cheats? It helps the IRS and the police but it's not gonna save the world.
1689  Economy / Speculation / Re: BREAKING-LEAK:Identities+emails of rich hiding cash offshore $32trillion's worth on: April 06, 2013, 06:36:19 AM
When the names are finally released it will be fascinating to see all the (champagne) socialists on there.  No doubt the lefties will make up the bulk of the list, but "capitalism" will get the rap.
...

Would not surprise me.  Most of the highly intelligent people I know are pretty left-wing, and it is easier to get ahead if one is bright.  Most of the right wingers I know are dolts who are in debt up to their eyebrows.  OTOH, lots of silver-spoon kids grow up to be right-wingers also and they may account for the bulk of the capital.

Now left-wing wealthy folks are probably less inclined to be tax cheats, but there will certainly be many exceptions to the rule.

If Assange is behind this, it could well be his get-out-of-jail-free card.  It makes me again wonder what might be in 'insurance.aes256'



If Assange knows, they know.
1690  Economy / Speculation / How does cryptostocks work? on: April 06, 2013, 04:57:22 AM
I'm sure you've heard of the Cryptostocks site but has anyone tried it? Can we really earn BTC this way? Can we invest other kinds of coin yet like LTC?
1691  Economy / Speculation / Re: Whats a satoshi worth? on: April 06, 2013, 04:46:50 AM
It could reach Paypal levels in a couple years, that is what is scary.

How will you deal with it if BTC really does reach $1 million?  What are you supposed to do?
Chances are by then most people will have spent theirs up and will be on LTC or PPC, but what if?
1692  Economy / Speculation / Re: The road to $1000 would be much harder on: April 06, 2013, 04:43:49 AM
At first we will be surprised to see 200$. Next time we open our eyes it's past 1000$

my call for this coming week of breaking $200 is in tact

also my call of $440 by April 30th, 2013 will be touched.

From there is anyone's guess.

Here is a very important question. How will you deal with it if BTC really does reach $1 million?
1693  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: April 06, 2013, 03:37:06 AM
I'm having the exact same problem as:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83209.msg1745711#msg1745711

and support hasn't answered my email.  I'm guessing bitinstant ran off with my $100?

EDIT: BitInstant now says I should have it within 8 hours.  24 hours later... not very "instant".  I'll report back if I still dont have my money.

Still haven't got mine and I've been waiting since Wednesday.

Order ID?

It didn't have an order ID but I sent a PM to you and or URSAY. It's a ZipZap. I received the email confirming I paid but they never gave me the coins.
1694  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: April 06, 2013, 03:31:08 AM
I'm having the exact same problem as:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83209.msg1745711#msg1745711

and support hasn't answered my email.  I'm guessing bitinstant ran off with my $100?

EDIT: BitInstant now says I should have it within 8 hours.  24 hours later... not very "instant".  I'll report back if I still dont have my money.

Still haven't got mine and I've been waiting since Wednesday.
1695  Economy / Speculation / Re: BREAKING-LEAK:Identities+emails of rich hiding cash offshore $32trillion's worth on: April 06, 2013, 03:09:25 AM
This is what ONE trillion dollars looks like, imagine 32 of these:



The US economy is a 10 trillion dollar economy. These guys had more money hidden than the entire US economy government and all operating for 3 years+. All those conspiracy theories about who rules the world? When you have enough money to buy the USA then it fuels the theories. We don't know they all work together or they are related or not, and that is why the conspiracy theories don't make much sense.
1696  Economy / Speculation / Re: Whats a satoshi worth? on: April 06, 2013, 02:58:31 AM
the entire joyride will end as soon bitcoins are getting percepted not only valuable (thats of course our feeling, the feeling of owners) but also as expensive (for all of those that would like to become owners. its a psychological barrier. if we start talking about
 millibitcoins (mbitcoins, mbtc), we would make it attraktive to the masses. itīs a language thing: stop talking about bitcoins, the new era is the mbitcoin. that will flaten out the scary graphs for a little time. people who own btc should manifest their treasure by strictly insisting on mbtc from now on.

you can currently buy 100 mbtc for 14 bucks

or 1 mbtc = 14 cent. sounds cheap enough!  

when the world accepts mtbc we will own...  

I'm not sure we are the early adopters. I would say the early adopters are the ones who have thousands of BTC. The same with the other coins, if you don't own at least 10,000 can you say you're early? or late? What we need to figure out is how late is too late?
1697  Economy / Speculation / Re: Whats a satoshi worth? on: April 06, 2013, 02:55:10 AM
Ok..everyone has predictions of what the value of what bitcoin will be worth today, tomorrow and a year from now. I am not about to try and say where I think we all know we are going, but it really struck home when I noticed that $1 = 730,000 satoshi's today.

Think about that for a moment...


It just strikes me that there indeed might be a day when $1 = 10,000 satoshi's...or less. Its not that far of a leap from here.

If that day is coming then what of the people who have thousands of Bitcoins?
1698  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin big correction..... on: April 05, 2013, 11:50:52 PM
I bought 100 coins at around 13$.  I sold 65 of them for BFL pre-order (that was 1333$ at the time) Angry.  I bought approx 45 at around 45$, just before exponential growth.
Sold 20 BTC at 110$ to recover my last 2000$ I put in (not bad, considering that it more than doubled).  Just sold 60 at 132$.

So, total investment 3300$.  Total return, approx 10000$.

Take from that maybe 600~700$ I invested in mining hardware...  Custom FPGA hardware array, running at 2.2GH/s total @ 450W.  The FPGA did not cost me anything, they are telecom cards we have at our job that don't sell Tongue.  I adapted them, reverse engineered (easy since we made those, and have all the hardware specs), designed backplane PCB, PC interface, custom PC miner software interface, etc.  So, there's a lot of fun involved in the process too Smiley  Mined about 20 BTC since January.

Of course, gained and lost a few BTC betting on the exchanges, trading LTC, BTC, PPC, etc.  So I learned there too!

I still have that last 60BTC worth in fiat at the exchange, in case there's a weekend dip Smiley  But for now, it's way too volatile to risk it.  It may raise to 150~160, sure, but what the heck...  I made a lot in a few month and more than happy Wink

And of course, some penny change BTC (2 or 3), plus my mining hardware that still run 24/24 popping .16BTC/day (that's still ~20$/day), although I now mine PPC which is worth 2~3 times more at the moment.

And...  I'm waiting for the correction now!  Well, if it happen Grin
years from now you will look back at this post with your last remaining Bitcoin worth $1 million+ and you'll wonder why the hell you sold them all away for ridiculousness lol.
1699  Economy / Speculation / Re: The road to $1000 would be much harder on: April 05, 2013, 11:13:34 PM
i think, the exchanges are ready. there are only two problems: 1. micro-transactions are allowed, just "tax" them and they go away. the actual $$$ amount is not the problem, it's the sheer number of tx. 2. there are plenty of other exchanges besides gox.
finally, yes, bigger investors are the key. only if bitcoin is inflated enough, it will also start to be a good tool serving its actual purpose as a money transmitting utility - that phase only comes after enough inflation, otherwise bitcoin is doomed anyways.


Why are micro transactions bad? When it's $1000 a coin this summer most of the transactions will have to be micro wont they? People aren't going to be able to afford to trade whole coins because most people wont have many whole coins.
1700  Economy / Speculation / Re: 150$ today on: April 05, 2013, 11:09:45 PM
Why would anyone ever sell if they truly believe in Bitcoin? And if they don't believe then now is a good time to sell. The exception being Bitcoin miners who have to sell or who have so many coins they don't mind.

From what I've seen though most people don't really have a lot of Bitcoins. Maybe 100-200 if lucky. How can you afford to sell your only 200? And people just getting into it probably have less than 10, so how can they sell?
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