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1701  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: bitcoincryptobank on: September 09, 2016, 07:24:44 AM
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Im more interested in the ponzi analogy earlier and understanding how this works than promoting it.

There's not a lot more to understand really. I know more detail about how these schemes work, but I've no intention of giving out tips on how to run a ponzi on a public forum.
But I will state the obvious in that the age of the website, length of existence of the scheme and, of course, their own bogus stats (64,635 users  Roll Eyes in this case), are completely unreliable pointers to how long it will continue for.
These people are working to a pretty standard template, with seed money to be repaid and simple algos running to determine who to pay, who not to, and when to close it down and move on to the next one.

You appear to approach this as if you're existing in a bubble and that your actions have no consequences for others.
By actively supporting something which you know very well to be a ponzi you are enabling scammers and encouraging passively, or actively if you're referring "friends" to them, the continuation of their profitability thru lying and cheating people.
Whether you're OK with that is down to quaint things like personal morality and whether you feel that the concept of community has any meaning. That's deeply unfashionable and easy to justify ignoring by cherry picking Libertarian concepts and invoking Caveat Emptor.
But I'm sure a pious lecture isn't what you want.
1702  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin GEOCACHE in Iceland FREE money to the first one there!! on: September 08, 2016, 05:50:32 PM
That looks like some sort of chain, possibly connected to a anchor.. so I guess it's somewhere in a harbour. 

Yup, that narrows it down.....
 Wink

1703  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: bitcoincryptobank on: September 08, 2016, 05:21:01 PM
The thing with ponzi schemes like this most definitely is, is that they pay earlier investors (you) with later investors (your friends) money.
The compounding carrot is there to tempt earlier investors not to withdraw, so the scam lasts longer.

The actual reasons why one account will be paid and not another are internal, where the admin try to juggle payments to extend the scam's life. They tend to keep paying people who refer others because they know that they are a source of further new victims.
How does it feel to be a 4% pimp?

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I am confident I will get back at least what I put in.

That's nice. What about your "friends"?

1704  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Lara with me - Grow your Bitcoin capital with 3% daily profit. on: September 08, 2016, 03:35:59 PM
... this website will disappear, like any investment ponzi there comes a time that can no longer pay their investors.

FTFY.
1705  Economy / Goods / Re: Bitcoin is KING tee on different sizes..shipped worldwide ♥printed in US♥ on: September 08, 2016, 06:50:16 AM
I just realized you're a newbie and can't show images. Here you go...



Edited for updated design

1706  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin GEOCACHE in Iceland FREE money to the first one there!! on: September 07, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
Excellent!

Are you gonna pop in to Verne Global while you're there?
1707  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: HASHCOINS INNOVATIVE CRYPTOTECHNOLOGIES on: September 07, 2016, 02:00:33 PM

You can not get your money back.
But if you bought as a private person and live in an some EU country, You can write an application here

http://www.tarbijakaitseamet.ee/en

If you get a positive result from them and and the company does not return the moneyin 30 days ,  then you need to file a petition in court


Harju County Court

Address: Liivalaia 24, 15034, Tallinn, Estonia
Phone: (372) 620 0002
Fax:(372) 6200 000
E-mail: harjumk.info@kohus.ee


http://www.kohus.ee/en/estonian-courts/contacts

case, this is a much greater chance to getting the money bazk, when writing here.

Thank you for the valuable information mate, but unfortunately I am not living in EU country and I will try to file a case using one of my friend in EU country and hope I can get my money back, thank you for the efforts.

As I said, IANAL but the EU regulations apply to all sellers based in the EU, and it doesn't matter where the buyer lives.
I would suggest going straight to the link given yourself, don't confuse things by saying that a "friend" in the EU bought it, it doesn't matter. 
1708  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Greg Maxwell is now the owner of Bitcoin. That's all. on: September 07, 2016, 01:40:55 PM
Deep and meaningful contribution    Funny troll    ill thought out attempt at intellectual analysis Yobit sponsored spam.

FTFY.
1709  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: HASHCOINS INNOVATIVE CRYPTOTECHNOLOGIES on: September 07, 2016, 12:35:59 PM

The Law says, in the EU, i as a seller have to offer you compensation if i am out of stock.


IANAL but no, not compensation, a full refund of payment.
To say that a seller can take money for one item, then supply a completely different one is absurd. See horse/dog analogy.
1710  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: HASHCOINS INNOVATIVE CRYPTOTECHNOLOGIES on: September 07, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
Well, you can try to sue them, but they are on EU soil and they offer compensation --> mining contract, so unfortunately you will have a bad stand on sueing them.
Sorry for your loss  Shocked

Ya think?
If I paid for a horse from you and you said "Sorry, we're out of horses, here's a dog instead", I doubt whether most courts would be too sympathetic.
I think he has a good chance because it's inside the EU. It could be China....
First thing to do is refuse to accept/activate the mining contract and read the original T&C's very closely (with professional help maybe).
1711  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Greg Maxwell is now the owner of Bitcoin. That's all. on: September 07, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
There is no "owner of bitcoin", that was just a provocative OP to restart the never ending debate about where the real power in deciding Bitcoin's future lies.
Stop this trolling shit.  Nobody around here needs your type of reason.  This forum operates on entirely different principles and logic isn't welcome here.

1712  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Greg Maxwell is now the owner of Bitcoin. That's all. on: September 07, 2016, 11:04:04 AM
There is no "owner of bitcoin", that was just a provocative OP to restart the never ending debate about where the real power in deciding Bitcoin's future lies.
1713  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Greg Maxwell is now the owner of Bitcoin. That's all. on: September 07, 2016, 09:55:11 AM
Greg Maxwell is the owner of bitcoin?! How come?! Is there any proof that he really is?! I thought it was Satoshi Nakamoto? Where did you get that information?

Stop it now pls.
tia
1714  Local / India / Re: Chirag Kulkarni and OneCoin on: September 07, 2016, 09:42:59 AM
Who is he?

He appears to be one of those self proclaimed "opinion formers" and as far as I can see his first venture in opinion forming regarding cryptocurrency is an ill disguised promotional puff for the Onecoin scam.
I should imagine that he doesn't do anything for nothing, not being in possession of a "real job", so I was wondering how much influence he has in the Indian media.
Any attempted linkage between Onecoin and Bitcoin for the sake of legitimizing the former is dangerous for the latter, because when Onecoin does go bang (with a big bang) then the fallout for all crypto will be negative in the mainstream media and possibly governmental/regulatory circles.

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If he were something in bitcoin world,he would have been a member of this forum

Hmmm.
1715  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BitClub Network: MLM promises, false testimonials and PoS coin - AVOID on: September 07, 2016, 09:12:27 AM
Those MLM pimps desperately looking for new mugs passive income seekers willing to lock in $$$$ for at least eighteen months Shocked to auto trade with Genesis Mining's (sound of *crickets* from them when asked a simple question) super fantastic arbitrage money making machine are going to be pretty pissed right now.....

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Delays with the launch of the Trading Pool

2016-09-01BitClub News
We have been testing and implementing our new trading platform for the past few months and the results have been great! The returns look very good and for one test account we started with 1,000 Bitcoin that is now at 1,178 as of this posting. (less than 30 days trading). Basically this was exactly what we were hoping for!

WOW, Great, here's my moneeez! Make me rich!

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However there are some other factors that have caused us to delay the launch of this pool until further notice.

Oh.

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We have been consulting with lawyers in different countries and getting many opinions from advisors on how we could structure everything and offer this pool to our members without crossing over any lines. Unfortunately, there are some really tough markets that we do not feel comfortable launching this product in.

Double Oh.

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So rather than make a quick assessment and just go with it, we are going to need more time to sort out these details and package this product properly so that we do not jeopardize our future (your future).

What, you mean like not selling "mining contracts" to U.S. citizens? It's those G'damn fascists with their pesky rules and regulations again, I bet.

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We are in unchartered waters here with this type of “product”. Is this pool considered a security even though we are trading only with other cryptos? Is it a commodity or other type or regulated investment that requires a license? Do we need to be licensed to hold Bitcoin on behalf of our members?

Isn't it a bit late in the day to be thinking of this? Maybe you should have thought about it before "dropping a few $million" on this super bot. Whose "few million" was it anyway?

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The answers are not clear yet and they differ depending on who you ask. Basically NOBODY knows!

The SEC does.

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Also, we believe that our network can easily raise $100 million worth of Bitcoin for these trading pools, and we know the trader works great. We have even identified a cap upwards of $3 Billion before the pools would be cut off and returns would suffer. This gives us plenty of room to launch and go for it!

 Cheesy

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But with $100 million dollars spread out across many exchanges what happens if an exchange gets hacked? In this latest case with Bitfinex they get hacked and gave everyone a 36% cut on their funds. Imagine we had 100 million in here and we lose $36 million dollars of YOUR Bitcoin? Who is liable for this? What happens if another exchange goes belly up or gets shut down with YOUR Bitcoin funds in them? Is BitClub responsible? Are we the custodians of your Bitcoin, are we liable?

Well you would be if you were legit, but seeing as you aren't what about Scammer Scenario #1 from the Play Book?
1) Get money from mugs
2) Everything's going great!
3) Everything's going greater!
4) OMG we got hacked. See ya!

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There are many questions right now that we need further clarification on and we just feel like we are rushing this to market too soon without doing proper due diligence and we don’t want jeopardize our future by doing this the wrong way.

Very sensible.
Lucky you haven't got some pushy MLM pimp phoning and messaging you every minute asking where your deposit is.
But then of course, if people did proper due dilligence before giving you money in the first place, there wouldn't be a problem. Because y'all would still be selling energy drinks, pharmaceutical wellness, slimming coffee and other shit.

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So, for right now we are putting this launch on hold and we will most likely launch the trader in a few friendly jurisdictions first and then expand into more as we get some clarity on everything.

Friendly jurisdiction = no extradition treaty with U.S.

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We know this is not the news you were hoping for, and we are sorry that it comes at the last minute when the entire platform is coded and ready to launch. This is something our team went back and forth on for weeks and something in our gut collectively told us to hold off and be smart about this because it could be HUGE! and will be HUGE! We just need to make sure that we do it properly.

HUGE!

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We are faced with tough decisions like this on a daily basis and we know that we can never make everyone happy

The only people you want to "make happy" are yourselves, the little inner cabal of MLM pimps. Everyone else is just collateral damage.

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We want to thank you for believing in us and being a loyal member of BitClub Network. There are a lot of great things happening right now with many projects that we have been working on finally getting ready to launch. We couldn’t be more excited as we approach our 2 year anniversary this month!

Great things happening right now! We couldn’t be more excited!tm


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..by the way, we are officially 2 years old on September 15th… When we first launched nobody expected us to make it 1 year, and we can’t wait to hear what these haters say when we hit 5 years

Sincerely,
-BCN Support

Totally classic MLM speak; "haterzzz" are people who ask questions.



Meanwhile the small pool in a big discus fish (see what I did there  Smiley ) is grossing about 60BTC a day to be shared (minus of course, the lifetime affiliate payments to the People that Matter) by up to 30,000 BCN claimed investors.
That's the ones left who didn't get shafted by having their contracts cancelled and their money stolen.

They seem to be a bit slow in paying out to third party miners tho...

STILL No payment from Bitclubpool. They still owe me 4.57240245 BTC for week 35- 2016 mining at the pool.
1716  Economy / Goods / Re: Bitcoin t-shirt available in different sizes... on: September 06, 2016, 05:45:44 PM
Have you got any other graphic images?  The one pictured is a little unobtrusive for my taste; I prefer something a little more noticeable.

Coincidence, the other day I met a t shirt printer and he's doing me one in big script

I PAID FOR THIS SHIRT WITH BTCITCOIN


Sorry to jack your thread OP, good luck.
1717  Other / Meta / Re: Hacked BitcoinTalk.org Forum Database Goes for Sale on Dark Web on: September 05, 2016, 10:13:37 PM
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We are pleased to announce that only 44,869 (9%) of users on Bitcointalk.org used MD5 hashing with a unique salt for passwords. Of those, we have cracked 30,389 or 68%. The remaining 91% of user passwords were hashed with "sha256crypt" and it would take us about a year to crack an estimated 60-70% of them. This method of password storage is far superior to nearly every website we've seen thus far.

https://www.leakedsource.com/blog/bitcointalkbtce



And from the same article, off topic but interesting re: the Btc-e hack of 2014

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Btc-E.com had 568,355 users hacked in October of 2014. Btc-E.com data contains usernames, emails, passwords, ip addresses, register dates, languages and some internal data such as how many coins the user had.
They used some unknown password hashing method which currently makes their passwords completely uncrackable although that may change. 

1718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Greg Maxwell is now the owner of Bitcoin. That's all. on: September 05, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
Is there a link about this, I've been out of it for a while?

Here's a bit of back story

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4klqtg/people_are_starting_to_realize_how_toxic_gregory/
1719  Local / India / Re: The Spread of MLM Scams: PowerHashing.com on: September 05, 2016, 11:21:12 AM

It would be good to think that scammers like Powerhashing will be caught by the proposed new laws regarding MLM selling in India.
What are you thoughts on the legislative likelihood of this initiative providing a framework and a regulator with real teeth?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Govt-finalises-draft-norms-for-direct-selling-industry/articleshow/53454517.cms
1720  Local / India / Chirag Kulkarni and OneCoin on: September 05, 2016, 11:13:07 AM
What is Kulkarni's reputation like in India?
I know he's U.S. born but he seems to be active in India.
I read that he is a "serial entrepreneur", etc.etc. and then I find him writing complete nonsense about Bitcoin and the Onecoin Scam here.

 http://www.inc.com/chirag-kulkarni/how-the-state-of-bitcoin-will-have-major-effects-on-society.html
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