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1761  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Long term Crypto winning strategies on: January 12, 2023, 08:42:06 AM
Dear All

There are two bodies in crypto, Traders, and investors. Today's topic is for investors. Specially very longterm investors. There are investing strategies for everyone. Share your ones.

Most common and sometimes I adhere

Collect BTC  at Deep Dips. (recently FTX collapsed)

Collect potential Alts Bear market.


so lets share your belives on strategies.  

The long term winning strategies in crypto market start with good research work before deciding to invest in any project, which is key factor for the success of investment, because it can help a lot to identifying good projects which are fundamentally strong & backed by professional and dynamic teams . The next important factor is patience, which means avoid impulsive buying or selling and wait for the right time to take entry and exit to book good gains on your investment.
1762  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How profitable it is possible to invest in bitcoins in the new year 2023. on: January 12, 2023, 05:59:11 AM
Hello Bitcoin People. First you must have a clear idea of what you want to do, if what you want is to invest in bitcoin in the short or long term, if your goal is to invest in bitcoin only in the period of time of the year 2023, there are many speculations as to whether it would go up or down, for example, one of the most widely read magazines in the world of finance "forbes" commented in one of its articles related to the whereabouts of BTC this year, arguing that:

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Bitcoin price predictions range from $250,000 all the way down to $5,000.

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Inflation is a key factor in Bitcoin's price in 2023.

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Some believe that this year could precede a big rise in Bitcoin prices next year with Bitcoin halving.

SOURCE: https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2023/01/05/bitcoin-is-in-for-a-wild-ride-in-2023-here-are-the-predictions/?sh=4d5dd2529fad

The speculations of this year vary a lot, there are even friends of mine who say that this is the year of 100 thousand for bitcoin. My recommendation is always to invest in bitcoin in the long term because it will always end up giving you better results.

It is true and most of market analysts suggest that investing in Bitcoin for long term always yields better returns, but it requires high level of patience & perseverance to keep holding your position during the downturns of  market, such as happened with FTX & LUNA. Though bearish trends never last for ever and eventually come to an end, but it is important to remain invested and don't make decision based on day to day market fluctuations unless you are proficient in trading.
1763  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How profitable it is possible to invest in bitcoins in the new year 2023. on: January 12, 2023, 12:55:09 AM
I am interested in investing but I don't have that much experience in investing and am not able to gain good knowledge by doing research. I saw the Bitcoin market was very dumping in late 2022. But now in 2023 the market is increasing again little by little. I am very interested to invest right now if I get the help of a good investor then I will invest in this market. I am looking for a good experienced person advice for bitcoin investment. So that I can profit from investing Bitcoin wealth in 2023. Can't get much idea about the market. How should I start investing right now, should I start with a small amount of money or should I start with a lot of money? Those who have good knowledge about investment will definitely help me in this regard.
Graph of the Bitcoin market right now.


The profit you make on your investment depends on your average cost of buying and how market performs in 2023 which nobody can predict correctly. However, as most of analysts suggest, Bitcoin has already seen its bottom and we are witnessing clear signs of market recovery since beginning of 2023. Hopefully, Bitcoin will perform better than what it did in 2022 & its price is likely to stabilize above 20K during the current year.
1764  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading With Borrowed Funds!!! on: January 11, 2023, 04:14:33 PM
There's a lot of threat when trading by borrowing because there will be profit and loss in trading and the rise and fall of the currency prices aren't always the same. If there's a loss also it's delicate to repay the loan. Crypto trading involves investors using espoused finances in a sale to open a long or short position that's much larger than their own capital. It doesn't allow individualities to maximize implicit gains by adding their purchasing power using small quantities of plutocrat.


When traders take position in margin or future markets with borrowed money and with high leverage, though potential of increasing profit is very attractive, but it is extremely risky, because in case the market goes against your trading potion, it can result in significant loss & even your account can wipe out completely, if you had not used stop loss to limit your loss. Even if you had used stop loss, still you will not only bear loss but also pay interest plus commission.

Better to avoid trading with borrowed money unless you are well experienced & proficient  in technical analysis & risk management.
1765  Economy / Speculation / Re: what If Bitcoin Price never comes up on: January 11, 2023, 11:32:22 AM



please explain me why bitcoin will make another all time high
or explain some circumstances in that bitcoin's price  will go more low and never or after long times later comes up


There is no guarantee that Bitcoin price will rise again but price of any asset depends on its supply and demand. Unlike fiat currencies, it has limited supply of 21 Millions whereas fiat currencies can be printed in unlimited quantities which causes inflationary pressure & buying power of currencies declines over time. That is why investors believe that Bitcoin is the best asset to hold for long term.
With every halving of Bitcoin reward which occurs approximately every four years, reduces the rate at which new Bitcoins are supplied  in the market which could, in theory lead to increase in its price, even if demand remains same or goes up.
1766  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How profitable it is possible to invest in bitcoins in the new year 2023. on: January 11, 2023, 09:03:32 AM
You should see profits if you DCA in long enough.
I agree, but it would be more profitable if they dare to buy a lot when the price has fallen more than 75% in the previous days. They can also buy with DCA if they still have doubts about the possibility of a further correction, but if they are able then certainly profit can be made in the long term. The cycle will continue to alternate where after a large increase will be followed by a correction, and vice versa.

In the long term, investing in bitcoin will be more likely to generate worth it returns, and i thing it is worth the risk of its price volatility.
DCA isnt something that for everyone considering that we dont really have that unlimited funds which we could really be able to put in.If we had already done it earlier then there's no way that you can do further specially

when the price is still plummeting or decreasing.I could say for those people who had invested into this month of January can really be considered as a good entry and it wont really be that a bad idea on holding it up for

future and it is really been considered to be a good start up.If you do hold then its your choice but if you do make out some active trades then it would be always your choice.

DCA is undoubtedly good strategy for those who hold reasonable amount of funds and use them prudently. While using DCA strategy it is also important to wait for major dip to buy Bitcoin to reasonably reduce cost of averaging buying price. If we continue buying on every minor dip, then soon we will run out of funds & miss good buying opportunities. Patience is the key factor in building portfolio at good price, and waiting for the right time to book profit.
1767  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Everything you wanted to know about Grayscale BTC Trust but were afraid to ask! on: January 11, 2023, 06:24:19 AM
Cameron Winklevoss goes on with his power struggle with DCG. He’s now asking the board of directors asking to oust Barry Silbert.
(...)
He cites various accusations, without providing too much evidence.
I doubt action will follow. But the point of getting DCG out of the dirt it's flying over various exchanges nowadays.

I'm curious what Gemini are hoping to achieve with an out-of-court settlement.  It's not as though they don't have the funds for a lawsuit if their case is as strong as they claim.  Is it just that they want it resolved quickly?  Or do they think the deal will be more lucrative without lawyers involved?

No one should want to trigger bankruptcy proceedings if they can get a better resolution prior to forcing that kind of a filing... Gemini and some of the other creditors likely have enough clout (meaning outstanding debt that is not being serviced) that they have standing to force a bancrupty proceeding.. but then the whole thing could end up taking years and years and years to resolve and surely would not work to their (Gemini's) favor either.

We all likely realize that Silbert and company is milking this uncomfortable situation.. and if they can delay any kind of forced resolution for a year or two, then Silbert and company would still be able to make profits the whole time that everyone else is suffering... and the matter ends up resolving itself.. meanwhile all the creditors are suffering and some of them are suffering more than others... and Silbert and company ends up suffering the least because of his ongoing stalling...  

So yeah.. Gemini and some others have that forced filing card that they can play.. and Silbert is seeming to ongoingly gamble that they won't play it.

I'm curious what Gemini are hoping to achieve with an out-of-court settlement.  
Maybe they already obtained a result:

Well, if management start thinking Silbert leaving could narrow the discount, well I can see Barry staying at the helm too long.

The market is starting to seem to show that at least it is perceiving that the situation is not as bad as previously thought.. whether the market is correct is not an easy call, either... unless we can point to some solid resolution that shows that something materially has changed...  

Read that market.

Is it right or not?



Agree with your opinion that , situation is not as bad as perceived by many analysts, and market is showing clear signs of beginning of recovery which is also evident from increase in marketcap. Many investors are currently waiting for release of CPI data & FED decision of interest rate increase(before taking entry) scheduled on  January 12th, which will determine the future direction of market.
1768  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Create wealth first before the use of bitcoin on: January 11, 2023, 04:07:28 AM
not to mention rural area, a lot people enter crypto at bull market only for $$$
they don't even  understand what the technology behind it, nor knowing how it works.
it's not like you buy bitcoin = auto profit. you need to understand the market just like trading on forex, future, option etc.

You are really true about this, usually when people hear about crypto is between this a great opportunity and can make a lot money of it, or scammer place.

Some media usually talk about negative side even we are still learning this till day right.

Generally, people who don't have in depth knowledge about crypto space, they perceive crypto currencies as get-rich--quick scheme (which is not true) & become victim of scammers. There are scammers in every industry who cheat innocent people by portraying rosy picture of their product and offer un-imaginable returns. Strict regulations are badly needed to remove bad players form crypto to build confidence of genuine investors for continuous progress of this industry.

1769  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Create wealth first before the use of bitcoin on: January 10, 2023, 04:33:59 PM
I have always come across people giving stories to promote bitcoin or give awareness of bitcoin in rural areas. It is a very nice job to tell people about bitcoin because it is the major currency in the world.  In this rural area how can bitcoin be used when majority of people in the the town are battling with poverty,  and how can bitcoin be used when majority don't have access to Internet.  I think people in rural area needs to be financially stable first before knowing bitcoin.

I agree with your opinion that access to internet is primary need & very important for massive adoption of Bitcoin because it provides access to  infrastructure to hold and transfer crypts currencies but unfortunately internet access is not equally  available to  every citizen of the world, in many countries its access is limited.
People in many countries use community based internet service where it is difficult to afford mobile internet which can be used to
To promote adoption of Bitcoin, governments should should focus on  economic growth because when overall economy improves in any country, its benefits trickle down & people get extra money to spend make some saving out of it to buy Bitcoin which is the best investment for long term.



1770  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How profitable it is possible to invest in bitcoins in the new year 2023. on: January 10, 2023, 01:53:35 PM
I am interested in investing but I don't have that much experience in investing and am not able to gain good knowledge by doing research. I saw the Bitcoin market was very dumping in late 2022. But now in 2023 the market is increasing again little by little. I am very interested to invest right now if I get the help of a good investor then I will invest in this market. I am looking for a good experienced person advice for bitcoin investment. So that I can profit from investing Bitcoin wealth in 2023. Can't get much idea about the market. How should I start investing right now, should I start with a small amount of money or should I start with a lot of money? Those who have good knowledge about investment will definitely help me in this regard.
If you don't want to give enough time to study, then doing a long-term investment in Bitcoin might be a good idea, we're pretty much at the bottom if you compare it to the past year (though it might still go lower, who knows). If you're unsure of that and want something more, well, backed up, copy trading is also a thing. If you're not familiar, the term says it all, you copy the trading strategy of someone else that they provided. It's not a guarantee that it's effective though so do be careful when studying and judging those available ones.

As for the money, start with what you can afford to lose, no matter how big or small. It's an investment, a risky one, so only use what you can risk.

It is true that Bitcoin appears to be bottomed out and price are low for long term investment particularly for those who don't have  time to to keep track of market on regular basis.
Though it is difficult to forecast Bitcoin price for the year 2023 with precise accuracy because many factor influence it, including situation of overall world economy, level of Bitcoin adoption & monetary policy of FED, however with indication of decreasing inflation, less severe interest rate increase. Hence, it is likely that  Bitcoin market will stabilize  in 2023, it is possible that  Bitcoin price will keep moving between the range of 20-25K.
1771  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I sell motorbikes to buy bitcoins on: January 10, 2023, 10:11:36 AM
I don't think bad ideas when selling motorbikes and use it for investing in Bitcoin, maybe OP earn few profit if sure have sold his motorbike when this topic made and Bitcoin right now has increase little higher price. Last three days Bitcoin still drop around $16,000 and current Bitcoin price have reached above $17,000 and earn almost few percent profit.

I don't know how decision from OP become long term holding with bitcoin, after investing forget it and back three or four years later and looking how increasing up. Possibility become short term trading, up few percent OP earn profit and sell it before buy back later when Bitcoin going dump, I think between decision with short or long term trading are worth adopt by OP after he has fund by selling motorbike.

Your idea to generate profit through short term trading and accumulate profit to rebuy Bitcoin & increase amount of Bitcoin, is good and worth trying. But it is associated with risk & its success depends on, good research work, technical skills & good knowledge of risk management tools which comes with consistent learning and experience. The volatility of crypto market often provides opportunity of trading and using it to generate profit, but you should know to manage the risk associated with it.
1772  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading as a newbie? on: January 10, 2023, 08:27:39 AM
Recently I have been trying to come up with ways of making some money on the side and thinking of giving trading a go.

I have zero experience and have just been looking on Coinbase at the best and worst performers of the day.

I am thinking of buying coins that are 15% or more down and then selling once they pump 10% and move onto the next one that is 15% down and then again sell at 10% profit and just keep repeating.

Anyone done something similar or will it just lead me to losing my money?

If somebody decides to risk his money in trading then nobody can stop him because its his money, but for newbies it is very important to understand the risks involved in this field, though it can be a great way to potentially make earning but with proper research, understanding the dynamics of market & learning technical charts to get help from, for entry and exit at right time & protecting your trade through use of risk/money management tools to avoid total loss of capital.  
1773  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I sell motorbikes to buy bitcoins on: January 10, 2023, 05:34:56 AM
I have 2 motorbikes at home, but what I always use is only 1 motorbike, and 1 motorbike is rarely used, and indeed the motorbike is also old, and if it is sold it won't be too expensive, and I decided to sell the motorbike, because in my opinion the price of the motorbike will definitely fall over time,
(affected by inflation). and the money from the sale of the motorbike I will use to buy bitcoin. because in my opinion the price of bitcoin in the future will definitely rise. and also currently the market is bear, so this is a good opportunity to buy bitcoins. and I want to ask everyone, the decision I made, namely selling the motorbike and the money to buy bitcoin, is it wrong or not?

I'm ready to be corrected because I have no experience in bitcoin and crypto.
If you do not have sufficient experience in investing and trading bitcoins and cryptocurrencies, then your decision to sell your motorcycle will undoubtedly be a wrong decision because the field of cryptocurrencies needs experience in trading and experience in determining the right time to buy and sell through charting, technical analysis and risk management techniques. I advise you to invest in what You can lose more money than you need because there is a possibility that you will lose it because the crypto market is currently volatile and there are no indications that it will recover soon, so do not sell your motorbike, property, cars, house, etc. to buy cryptocurrencies. This field is full of risks, you need to educate yourself and increase your experience, and trade with small amounts at the beginning until you learn.

You are absolutely right that crypto currency market is very volatile, associates with high degree of risk which usually upsets newcomers in this industry. It is a good idea to learn fundamentals, historical trends of market & technical analysis before deciding to take entry.
If somebody decides to sell any asset to buy Bitcoin including motorbikes which are not it use, could be a good decision if he evaluates his risk tolerance and protects his investment with risk management tools to avoiding total loss of his capital.
Furthermore, trade in Spot market and avoid margin or future trading.
1774  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would you do if you get a time machine now? on: January 09, 2023, 01:48:08 PM
Ironic question right? Well, as a crypto lover/ investor or whatever, only one thing that comes to my mind. That is, to be honest, if I get a time machine now, I would probably travel to the past and advise myself to buy BTC when it was so low.
If I had a time machine maybe I would think of using it to go back in time when Bitcoin was small and buy as much as I could. But on the other hand, I will lose many precious moments that I have lived and maybe it won't happen again. I personally won't use it and let my life be as it is now and move on with a better life, learning from the past instead of having to go back to the past. Maybe we can have a lot of Bitcoin by going back in time but who knows it might actually change something that is actually more valuable than that. So, forget about past regrets why you didn't know or buy Bitcoin from the past. It's better to focus on what we can do now and so on

Time travel is currently a theoretical concept and imaginary,  there is no scientific evidence to prove  that, it is possible. it is like day dreaming and it only happens in movies & other forms of fiction. However, if it becomes possible during my life time then,I would also go back in 2009 and buy as much Bitcoin as possible. Grin Grin Grin
As a matter of fact, it is not going to happen during my life, so I continue accumulating Bitcoin on every major dip, to reach my target of owning at least one Bitcoin.

Ultimately, it is important to focus on what is happening today and continue working to improve quality of life through consistent efforts.


1775  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We have been told: Invest only Extra money in bitcoin on: January 09, 2023, 12:00:52 PM
We have been told many times to invest only funds which you can afford to lose in bitcoins. But the question is that most of us do not have that extra funds to invest. So, what we do is we buy bitcoins from our savings, and from whatever money we get, we try to buy bitcoins. Middle class people do not have that EXTRA money WHICH THEY CAN"T AFFORD TO LOSE.

Yes, i invest in bitcoins but it is not EXTRA money and I am afraid I can't afford to lose. Do you have that EXTRA money that you can afford to lose  Huh


Generally it is believed that invest only extra money in Bitcoin & other crypto currency which you can afford to lose, because they fluctuate significantly which creates panic for those who are new in this industry. But every kind of investment carries some level of risk which is important to evaluate keeping in view your risk tolerance. If you don't have extra money to lose and still you want to invest in Bitcoin, then use risk management tools to protect your investment from total loss.

Though past performance of Bitcoin doesn't guarantee that it will always give huge reward to those, who hold it for long term, but there is consensus among investors that it is less risky & best asset for investing with long term vision.
1776  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - what price would you sell? on: January 09, 2023, 09:15:37 AM
I absolutly think that BTC will rise again and I prefer not to sell.
We have to just wait and see. Smiley

No doubt, the value of Bitcoin will increase significantly , and most likely it will break all previous record by making new ATH. We should buy & hold it by taking advantage of current low prices which is life time opportunity & we might not see it again.

Selling Bitcoin is never a good idea unless there is urgent need of cash which you can not be met through the sale of  other assets but I would sell my Bitcoin if its value reaches to point where 100 satoshis is equal to 1 dollar, means Bitcoin price reaches 1 Million dollars.
1777  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I am Bullish On Bitcoin Despite Bear market on: January 09, 2023, 05:06:08 AM
Take advantage of the -70% downside when this is already a good opportunity. If you still hope for another decrease in the price of 8k-10k, that is each person's choice. But a price that low is still too far for now, unless the market is really not doing well and lots of FUD require bitcoin to collapse again...

Many would like to see not 70%, but 95%. But the reality is that bitcoin, unlike most altcoins, cannot lose such a percentage of its value. And if this really ever happens, then it will be possible to say that this is a complete collapse of the cryptocurrency market.

The things are getting better now, and this morning market opened with positive trend with Bitcoin price increasing by  2%, currently it is trading at $17223 which is above its pivot point (16,818) on weekly chart. This is a sigh of relief for Bitcoin traders who make their living by trading in crypto. If this trend continues, there is a possibility that Bitcoin breaks its next resistance at 18,800, and CPI report comes in line with market expectations, then Bitcoin is likely to close above 20K by the end of current week.
1778  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Pi network mining on: January 09, 2023, 02:38:36 AM
Don't blame about how much Pi network coin price right now already listing on XT, Huobi and Biconomy exchange because has different with Pi mining network. I don't know why many people still comparison with their Pi mining coin and Pi already listed on exchange market, have been one weeks after listing still not opening yet for deposit and withdrawal.

I can laughing only what happened with Pi mining community when showing their Pi mining assets, still not close yet to earn profit with Pi mining network because have dark market want to buy it but under $1, I don't think the holder Pi network mining agree selling under $1 looking current price on exchange market above 100$ right now.

They are truly innocent when it comes to their coins because they thought it is the same coin that they have been mining all these years. They are bragging about it throughout social media but still, there are chances that it will become sellable in the next few months or years to come I don't believe that it will be the same price they are talking about right now because of its nature and the people behind it are not really that popular.

This coin came in lime light when surprisingly it got listed on Houbi exchange ( while its main net was not launched yet) & its price increased significantly to above $200. However, this price may not be realistic, and it may be a trap for new cryptocurrency investors. When the actual coin, which has a supply of 10 billion, is listed on exchanges, it is likely that the price will decrease significantly as many people who have been mining the coin for years may sell their coins. This could cause the price to drop by a few cents.

to develop their community, several accounts on social media also share how ambitious the community is with a coin price that will be very expensive with a very large supply.
but when their official social media announced that the coin was not yet listed on the exchange, it shocked everyone. I guess this is part of the developer's plan to make the PI coin market excited.
I doubt the future of this coin. it will likely be the same as other shitcoin/meme coins.

There are still innocent people who still have their hopes on the said coin. Most of them are expecting high profits from it and I feel bad for them especially those who don't have enough knowledge on how to determine the potential of a coin. Honestly, I also don't see any future in this coin too. It has made lots of promises but still no improvement for years. I don't see any potential in this project anymore.

You are absolutely right; it is very mysterious project which has no foreseeable future. The success of any project depends on its market demand, which is created by building its use case, unfortunately it lacks in case of Pi network. The innocent miners who have built high hopes, after its IOU listing on exchanges at high price, will get deeply disappointed when its price will crash, upon listing of original coin. DYOR
1779  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Pakistan on: January 08, 2023, 03:02:32 PM
BTC gave a fakeout of the small consolidation range and pushed up back till strong resistance zone. Price already facing some strong rejection again and again. Looks like, the price might break above the zone, better keep an eye on the level, manage your risk level, before entering any fresh trades.


Thanks brother, for sharing this useful information. Merea khayal ha abi Bitcoin mein koi bri move nhi aai gi or Bitcoin esi zone mein tade hota reha ha jo k apne apny chart mein show kia ha. Next week bht sary event hon gay jis mein CPI ki announcement aai gi or es k ilawa FED ki interest rate ki announcement aai gi us k baad hee Bitcoin mein breakout ya breakdown ho ga. Let's watch & wait for economic events of next week.

https://www.investing.com/economic-calendar/
1780  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Pi network mining on: January 08, 2023, 12:49:37 PM
Don't blame about how much Pi network coin price right now already listing on XT, Huobi and Biconomy exchange because has different with Pi mining network. I don't know why many people still comparison with their Pi mining coin and Pi already listed on exchange market, have been one weeks after listing still not opening yet for deposit and withdrawal.

I can laughing only what happened with Pi mining community when showing their Pi mining assets, still not close yet to earn profit with Pi mining network because have dark market want to buy it but under $1, I don't think the holder Pi network mining agree selling under $1 looking current price on exchange market above 100$ right now.

They are truly innocent when it comes to their coins because they thought it is the same coin that they have been mining all these years. They are bragging about it throughout social media but still, there are chances that it will become sellable in the next few months or years to come I don't believe that it will be the same price they are talking about right now because of its nature and the people behind it are not really that popular.

This coin came in lime light when surprisingly it got listed on Houbi exchange ( while its main net was not launched yet) & its price increased significantly to above $200. However, this price may not be realistic, and it may be a trap for new cryptocurrency investors. When the actual coin, which has a supply of 10 billion, is listed on exchanges, it is likely that the price will decrease significantly as many people who have been mining the coin for years may sell their coins. This could cause the price to drop to few cents.
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