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1781  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: FRAUD BTC-POP Limited - with proof on: August 22, 2016, 09:02:34 AM
Just an FYI post, from the new owner's FB about the old owner

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Lee Bartholomew as you're not responding to anything i have decided to go public.
Lee Bartholomew decided to scam a lot people for a lot money.
I bought btcpop of him, he hided numbers and even created fake accounts with balances created in the database what he attempted to withdrawal after me owning btcpop.
He borrowed a lot of money in bitcoins and got lot of money from IPO's
I still get daily emails about unpaid bills, late reminders, from collections agencies addressed to him.
Be careful with doing any kind of business with that person. 

1782  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Are you afraid of loss money in hyips ? Don't worry ... ! on: August 19, 2016, 09:07:33 PM
Hahahaha
john ston the comedian
1783  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: new investment system on: August 18, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
New and genuine investment system available u get %50 of everything you invest in 30days if u invest 1btc u get 1.5btc in 30 days pm me if interested

A friend of my want to give me 3BTC and he want me to pay him back 4BTC in 2month 7days but he asked me what will i do with it, how can i turn 3 bitcoin to 4 in 2 month 7days, what is the best investment that can give me good ROI in that short period

You can invest it in an helping hand community like mmm if you are interested just send me a private message and I will tell you more about the community


"Community" in this case means a list of sad/stupid/naive/desperate people getting ripped off by a Mavrodi clone.
Trust left, asshole.

1784  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: August 17, 2016, 09:49:40 PM
1785  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2016-08-17] Beware of Pyramids and Other Scams Masquerading as Legitimate... on: August 17, 2016, 02:55:19 PM
OneCoin.
1786  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Closed source cryptocurrency - OneCoin on: August 16, 2016, 01:47:42 PM
It's not a cryptocurrency, it's a closed ponzi points system.

Huge number of red flags, probably summarized best here:
 https://news.bitcoin.com/beware-definitive-onecoin-ponzi/
1787  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BitClub Network: MLM promises, false testimonials and PoS coin - AVOID on: August 16, 2016, 11:20:35 AM

Thanks for the link mate. It's an interesting summary of points that BitClub Network continue to avoid answering, but it's also brought a very important aspect of BCN out into the open thru the comments made.

BitClub don't operate in the U.S. (officially) and haven't done since May 1st this year.
The U.S. is a huge market for Bitcoin schemes and is totally addicted to MLM.
Many of BitClub's major movers and shakers hold American citizenship. But they have to scour the world for new suckers, as BCN does not authorize new members to join if they are obviously U.S. based. (This is easily circumvented and affiliate marketeers are passively encouraging prospects to do so by using overseas registration).
BitClub hint at the reasons for doing this in various member news updates

Quote from: 2016-04-01
After careful consideration and many conversations with lawyers, advisors, and leaders within BitClub Network we have decided to stop taking new memberships within the United States and focus on other countries that we are growing much faster in.

Why do you need to talk to lawyers if you're a legit business?

Quote from: 2016-04-12
It is only intended to stop future members from joining until we can figure out if our business model will be a fit for the US market. The fact is the cost to do business in the United States significantly outweighs the benefits of being in the market and if we do nothing it could jeopardize everything so we are pulling out now!

The cost to do business..... what cost? How is the origin of investor money in anyway a variable?
It could jeopardize everything.....how?

The answer is law.
You know, that fascist establishment control method that enslaves us all that people rant about. And then run to when they need protection.
I'm not going there with this, suffice to say there is a lot of validity in the expression "My enemy's enemy is my friend." (which cuts both ways.)
Anyhow, the law exists. If you break it, there are consequences.

There is a regulatory framework in the U.S. which governs investment, investment "advice".
It gives consumers basic rights of redress, as well as laying down rules by which anyone looking for money to finance their scheme has to abide.
There's probably thousand upon thousand of pages of sub clauses, precedents and guidelines in this area, but the very basic one regarding money changing hands in the hope of reward is called the Howey Test. It's a pretty simple working definition of what constitutes an "investment contract".
It basically defines it as

(i) the investment of money; (ii) in a common enterprise; (iii) with the expectation of profits to come solely from the efforts of others.

If you are doing that, then you are selling investment contracts. You are required, among other things, to provide

A description of the company's properties and business purpose
A description of the security being offered
Information about the company's management
Financial statements about the company, certified by independent accountants

Scammers hate this with a passion.
What does a scammer do when confronted with an obstacle such as the law? Squirm and turn, deny obvious facts and twist definitions, usually aided by aided by specialist niche lawyers who have a massive vested interest. Or bite the bullet, withdraw from that market and go look for victims in less regulated places?

That's why BitClub Network withdrew from the U.S.
To avoid giving basic information about who is behind it, or any consumer rights or protection to their investors, .

Also, when a scheme implodes, under certain circumstances a receiver can operate a "clawback", which involves taking illegally acquired profits from net gainers (usually upline affiliate marketers) and returning them to the vast majority who lost money, because of the illegal means by which it was taken.
This can run into hundreds of millions of dollars as seen in Zeek Rewards, another huge "passive income" scam, where net gainers thruout the world are being sued for their scam rewards.
U.S. based BitClub Network affiliate marketers would be in the frame for this.

In a recent series of court cases in Germany on this subject, BitClub Network's name pops up.
There is a law firm in Germany called Schulenbeg and Schenk. They are basically attack dogs for the OneCoin scam.
OneCoin has been making huge changes and separating its structure to avoid being seen as an "investment provider".
According to them now, they just sell "education packages" for thousands of euros and give away points that can be used to "practice" crypto trading and investment.
They then claim they are neither revenue sharing or selling investments.
This is transparently bullshit but may help them extend the life of this huge scam for a bit longer. In order to do that, they want to maximize income in the meantime and one way of doing that is to drop competing scams in the legal shit.
Enter S&S and this recent legal judgement in Hamburg, where they brought action against the Beonpush Ponzi
The tl,dr is that

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The Hamburg Regional Court confirmed the above decision, that it is the Beonpushsystem is an investment. The consultants that provide this facility have to observe a number of requirements, such as that the investor has to be noted that a total loss of its investment is possible. A right of withdrawal must be given. As these requirements were fulfilled by any single Beonpush counselor, have all recruited participants who have lost their use, may claim for damages against their recruiters, since the relevant information has not been granted. This law may incidentally readily be transferred to almost any RevShare programs and their advisors, such as Getmyads, Questra, and also the Bitclub.

also the Bitclub....

Still Awake?

WTF has this to do with the 99bitcons piece?
The answer is in the comments.
There are two (so far, just waiting for the brigading to start), the second one from some pseudo intellectual Aussie BCN pimp isn't even worth mentioning, but the first one from "Joby" is. Joby Weeks, perchance?

He makes big play of the huge txt fee "mistake" (wondered when they would use that) and how BitClub distributed it "benevolently", so they can't be scammers, can they?  Roll Eyes

He waffles on and on, no facts, figures or anything, as he and other MLM salesmen do.
Hidden in his "we're misunderstood" spiel he tries twice to make the ludicrous claim

BitClub Network don't sell mining investments, they sell mining hardware.

Yup, that's what he said. Twice. For the reasons above.


So there you have it, BitClub Network investors. You're not investors at all. You have simply bought a piece of mining hardware. That you have never seen, touched or operated yourself.

Congrats.



1788  Other / Off-topic / Re: Old people earning bitcoins on: August 16, 2016, 01:13:33 AM
I just never heard about someone older than 45 years and making bitcoins.

lol, maybe they don't feel the need to share.
One month passed about the last post in this thread and you reviving again?  Huh  Angry Angry are you not seeing the another topic is better for getting a suggestion rather than just reviving an old topic?

The title made me laugh, made a change from "How I make money with Bitcoin?"

Anyway, fuck off with your Yobit spam posts.
1789  Other / Off-topic / Re: Old people earning bitcoins on: August 15, 2016, 10:05:41 PM
I just never heard about someone older than 45 years and making bitcoins.

lol, maybe they don't feel the need to share.
1790  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ask about scurmrr on: August 15, 2016, 07:34:25 PM
Quote from: scummerr bullshit
We have developed not only an innovation of mining algorithms, but also use the best and ergonomic equipment with its unique architecture. In this way we not only significantly exceeded the existing mining companies, but did minig much more productive and profitable.

OP, if you put 2 satoshis in this, never mind 2 btc, you need professional medical help.
1791  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: E-Dinar Coin: Meet the Revolutionary New-Generation Cryptocurrency on: August 15, 2016, 07:20:25 PM
You realy think you will fool everybody with 3 brand new profiles? O.o Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
4, 5, 6......... looks like more brand new profiles coming lol

7,8....

Cred -273% and falling.
1792  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: August 15, 2016, 11:22:53 AM
Just want to point out that Amit's image linked above is no longer available now.
It is very strange since it was hosted on bitcointalk.org proxy.

You mean this one?



As far as I can see, it was just linked to the now nonexistent website and when that was wiped, so was the image @ bitcoinalliance.in/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/amit.png

There are a few pictures of Amit still in the wild, he looks like he's put on a bit of weight in the last year or so.
That's if the 1bitcoindaily Gainbitcoin promotional/affiliate website (run by the 2 post newbie who replied to my original post on this thread) is anything to go by.
(I would think twice before visiting 1bitcoindaily's website as the https certification appears to now be invalid. Surely just an oversight, as he is posting Bitcoin related spam like a mad thing on the Gainbitcoin FB atm [19,462 likes! wow], linking to it.)

1bcdaily has four rotating images under the heading:
Pictures from behind the scene

Images from GainBitcoin Mining Facility

One of them shows a factory in a state of construction and two others show Amit? in what looks like a PCB manufacturing unit, one of them standing in front of an industrial soldering machine.
Although Bitcoin miner manufacturing obviously requires PCB's, the environments of a Bitcoin mining facility and a pcb manufacturer are mutually toxic.



Maybe that's not supposed to be Amit, but the implication is clearly that it is, otherwise what's the point?

The fourth image shows a very impressive close up of mining equipment



Which rather resembles an old image from an article about the U.S. operation MegaBitPower. Well it more than resembles it, it is the same image. Confusing.

There is an Amit Bhardwaj who helped develop an interesting site called easemylife launched about a year ago.
This Amit Bhardwaj
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is actively associated with the bitcoin community in India.  
and his picture in the linked article resembles the deleted one, maybe plus a bit of weight.

The 1 bitcoindaily thing also mentions the opaque

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About Company
VariableTech Pvt Ltd is a Singapore based venture.

"Mark Lee's" background organization.

I was under the impression that Amit was the Founder and CEO of Gainbitcoin, but not according to Linkedin



So, if one was looking for an up to date image of Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar, (some old fashioned people like to know who they are dealing with), then where would one go?

The obvious answer would be http://www.nexgenfmpl.com/ of course, Amit's software company which, according to 1btcdaily's post proudly counts both EasemyLife and Gainbitcoin among its clients.

You could if



Never mind, I'll try again, surely just some Monday Maintenance...
 

1793  Other / Meta / Re: CONFLICT Of Interest Benson Samuel on: August 14, 2016, 08:13:47 PM
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Hey guys. I raised some objection regarding the subject matter on some other section of this forum
which was being viewed by Benson and many others.  to my surprise, my post was DELETED.
May be, I touched a raw nerve there. This topic sure needs addressing. I have pasted my comment
which was deleted below:
Not deleted anything myself. This can be validated as well by any Global Mod or theymos as well.
I did see this same message notification in my email before this was posted. Neither has been actioned by me.

FYI, I reported the comment which was made on the Gainbitcoin thread for being off topic. Which it completely was.
1794  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: August 13, 2016, 08:13:17 PM
Well, some will be glad to hear that I'm not being extradited/waterboarded/dragged to the High Court for asking a few questions about Gainbitcoin and Mr. Bhardwaj/Kumar. (Somebody be kind enough to explain the multiple surname scenario sometime? I'd be obliged).
 
So, I just thought I'd have a look to see how Gainbitcoin is going along since the halving.
It's difficult to assess the overall effect of the halving on miners, as it's difficult to work out their base costs and profitability, but according to https://blockchain.info/charts both total hashrate and difficulty have not substantially changed, whereas income has halved. Unsurprising really, guess that's sort of why it's called halving.
Tough times for marginal miners without the latest low power consuming hardware.

Gain's Mining FAQ's are still rather confusing for potential clients that may want to mine Bitcoin, as they only refer to Radeon video cards used for scrypt mining, with no similar information regarding their ASIC hardware.

The main change however, is this

CONTRACT COSTS PRE HALVING



CONTRACT COSTS POST HALVING



Wow, the name change to "Amaze" is totally appropriate!
A massive decrease in hashrate charges, for 1BTC you now get 1500 G/hs, against only 400 pre halving!  Shocked

Sounds like a bargain, comparatively certainly for any new investors, but if I had a pre halving 18 month contract I'd be a little bit miffed at how drastically I had overpaid. Caveat Emptor, I guess.

As I showed with the previous coinwarz calculations, Gain's pre halving mathematics were a bit, errr, difficult to understand. Maybe it was just me being stupid, so let's use coinwarz again slightly differently, just putting in 1.5 T/hs with no running costs, and see what happens



Huh
Coinwarz shows that 10 months of mining at current difficulty and price with 1.5 T/hs of hash equals $336.10 gross. 
But Gain say that should be $600, as 10 x 10% = 100% ROI of $600... Huh
Full ROI in 535 days/300 days?

I guess coinwarz must be wrong. I never was much good at maths. There can't be any other explanation....can there?



Just looking back thru the thread, fruitlessly scanning for slander, libel, lies etc. I notice that the mug shot of Mr. Bhardwaj/Kumar is now showing as an "invalid image".
That's because the website from which it was taken, bitcoinalliance.in no longer exists.
It redirects to a brand spanking new exchange site called buyucoin.com.
As the Merkle points out, a brand new exchange on a brand new website should be treated with caution, especially when

Quote
...the website uses an online HTML form to complete the verification procedure. There is only one page to create an account, and some interesting details are being asked. Not the most secure environment to host such a form, and it may turn away some users in the long run.

Anyway, all good that there's new people coming in and providing Bitcoin services, so Good Luck to Shivam Thakral of Hapur.
Shivam's obviously enthusiastic, as his 34 Bitcoin related posts (with 1,100 views in only one month!) on Quora bear witness to.

Funnily enough, one of the questions he answered was about Mr. Bhardwaj/Kumar and Gainbitcoin. Small world.



100% legit.




1795  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: EDRCoin — Meet the brand new sustainable, energy efficient Cryptocurrency on: August 13, 2016, 01:51:21 PM
stay calm guys
edrc will pump soon just hold your coins
and wait. edrc is a good coin and it will be back on their place again

It's a piece of manipulated shit and will disappear, just like e-dinar.
look on yobit edrc is just starting to go up soon will be on right place just wait

It might well have some meaningless pump and a few people may make some money.
So what?
The "right place" for it is the trashcan, like 99% of so-called coins.
1796  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: EDRCoin — Meet the brand new sustainable, energy efficient Cryptocurrency on: August 13, 2016, 08:38:21 AM
stay calm guys
edrc will pump soon just hold your coins
and wait. edrc is a good coin and it will be back on their place again

It's a piece of manipulated shit and will disappear, just like e-dinar.
1797  Economy / Auctions / Re: Sr. Member up for Auction on: August 13, 2016, 12:36:50 AM
As a matter of interest, if the auction raises more than the debt, do you return the balance to the borrower or keep it?
I get to keep it. I hae tried contacting the borrower regarding the loan and tried waiting for another 2 weeks for him to repay but I received no response so I guess it's okay for me to get it all.
I would've gave him a share if he made effort to contact atleast since I only want to get the amount I lost.

Soo the lender take the full risk lending the money, holding the account as colateral and go auction it, if the prices cross the interest of the repayment, or the ammount lended why would the lender send anything to the person who dumped the account to him or her? Really, do you believe this is a fair question to be made? The account sell should only be allowed to who lend money and has a signed message this way we could control the bad sellers with hacked accounts.

Yes, I do  believe that it is a fair question, otherwise I wouldn't have asked it.  Roll Eyes

There is the (slim) possibility that something beyond the borrower's control may have prevented repayment or reply. You know neither his intentions or situation.
Irrespective of that, if there is a balance left over after the collateral has been liquidated, why should it belong to the lender, not the borrower?

In the real world, if you had a $100k loan secured against a $200k house, but were unable to meet repayments, are foreclosed and the house sold, would you expect the lender to keep the whole $200k proceeds, or just the $100k that they are owed?
 
I was not criticizing jacee or his answer, just curious about what common practice is in these situations.
1798  Economy / Auctions / Re: Sr. Member up for Auction on: August 12, 2016, 09:53:27 AM
As a matter of interest, if the auction raises more than the debt, do you return the balance to the borrower or keep it?
1799  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Genesis-mining.com || World's leading hashpower provider! on: August 11, 2016, 06:01:16 PM

Just got a mail from support@genesis-mining.com

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Super Doubler for Bitcoin
500-btc.com

It is obvious that this mail is not from you. 
But i wonder where the sender has my address from or where he knows that I use
GM. Did you have a Database-Leak?

Maybe look a bit closer to home.....start with Cldmine and work thru the Ponzis.
1800  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Something Fishy about Steemit and Steem? on: August 11, 2016, 12:34:31 PM

.....

Work hard in a meritocracy .....
I am all for working for the good, and making a profit in a meritocracy while doing so. ....

Quote from: dictionary
meritocracy
ˌmɛrɪˈtɒkrəsi/
noun
government or the holding of power by people selected according to merit.
....
a society governed by people selected according to merit.
....

a ruling or influential class of educated or able people.
....

Quote from: dictionary
merit
ˈmɛrɪt/
noun
1.
the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward.
....
synonyms:   excellence, goodness, standard, quality, level, grade, high quality, calibre, worth, good, credit, eminence, worthiness, value, virtue, distinction, account....



Where do you live then? Somewhere nice?
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