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17941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 09:12:41 PM
Oh?  So you are going to pick up the Shelby (anunymint) slack to inform us about something of substance?  Or you just want to defend a troll?  Aka banned person?  By the way, if you have arguments that are really technical in nature, then you might want to present them in another thread.. If you want to spread some unsubstantiated and confusing claims like anunymint was presenting, then maybe you will find yourself in a similar fate, as him?

You’re an expert troll. Kudos.

Your repetitively asserting such is not going to make it true - and how much credibility do you have, actually - especially, when you continue to post nonsense..... right?   And, your ongoing failure and refusal to attempt to provide any kind of substance rather than personal attacks and status assertions, seems to demonstrate that you have no real intention to provide meaningful substance in your posts.
17942  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
are bots allowed in this forum? We need a bot to report if the mempool reaches a critical predefined level. bob does a good job but he has to sleep at least 8 hours per day. so we need a bobbot.

Bots are allowed, so long as they aren't spammy or malicious.

Part of me really wants to learn how to write bots for these forums; start monitoring my node mempool activity stats, and start barking out posts upon an x% rise over y time.

Or learn how to query market APIs, learn how to use graphing libraries, and spit out graphic posts, but, TBH, my IT/Network/Coding past is behind me.

I want to pursue artistic passions.

Bitcoin/Lightning related matters keep me limber enough - staying up-to-date with tech - so as not to completely atrophy those skills. Fucking around with the official LND release now after upgrading my Bitcoin node from 16.0 to 16.1. Haven't built bitcoind from source, with support for esoteric libraries, in quite a long time.

I will write such a bot and publish my bad code. stay tuned Smiley

edit: well, I stumbled over my first problem. login requires a captcha test where the bot has to prove it's not a bot, haha Smiley
most likely it's possible to login in manually the first time and copy the cookie, I have to try that.

I like the idea of an actual productive bot.

I am sure that there are a few bots that are already here, but those bots probably don't give "bot setting up" advice.  Not in their current programming.
17943  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Discussion Thread on: July 14, 2018, 08:41:00 PM

what are the implications of this?

https://twitter.com/F0nta1n3/status/1017582396923875328

according to this guy he is a bcash butt boy.

i guess if he does break it it's free testing.

Yes, is the evidence of the article actually true, and is it a kind of spam attack that is potentially going on the lightning network?

Also, is this part of the explanation why lightning network capacity has pretty much gone onto an exponential run, in terms of the number of bitcoins on there - seeming to double in less than a week?
17944  Other / Meta / Anunymint ban on: July 14, 2018, 08:37:10 PM

A warrior can learn how to present ideas clearly consisely, persuasively and even forcefully rather than employing various emotional outbursts, irrelevancies and personal attacks.  
You’re jealous when your trolling isn’t effective at maintaining the echo chamber. But this isn’t about putting anyone on a pedastal. It's about removing the groupthink and old boys’ clubs that plunge society into clusterfucked totalitarianism.

You apparently don't understand what is a troll.  You should look in the mirror or look at your fuck buddy, anunymint, as examples of what is a troll. If you spent more time providing good arguments and substance, then perhaps you could get somewhere with your various arguments, instead you and your fuck buddy, anunymint, seem to get caught up on questions of status and personalities. 

Present some good ideas about bitcoin, segwit, lightning, big blocks, security or whatever is your supposed bitcoin (and on topic) questions/concerns concisely and clearly, and perhaps, we could make some substantive progress in our discussion.  I am waiting, waiting, waiting to see it.
17945  Other / Meta / Anunymint ban on: July 14, 2018, 08:25:59 PM
A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.

That's bullshit.

A warrior can learn how to present ideas clearly consisely, persuasively and even forcefully rather than employing various emotional outbursts, irrelevancies and personal attacks.  Bitcoin is powerful as fuck and powerful as fuck as a disrupter of traditional systems. If you are unwilling or unable to present your ideas amongst the disrupters (meaning core developers and those kind of technical folks), then what the fuck you doing spending a whole hell of a lot of time appealing to the masses with disjointed rants....

Anyhow, if his ideas were so meaningful and great, then perhaps even a BIP or two might be productive to bring attention to those supposed important various matters and to attempt to work with out great minds within core in weeding out the good, bad and the ugly of his ideas.  

Otherwise if he is engaged in an ongoing battle against core, then it merely appears that he is attacking bitcoin rather than attempting to be persuasively and warriorly constructive (and on the right side of the disrupters).

Seems like bullshit to put banned folks like this on a pedestal, and then to proclaim that somehow they have great, wonderful, yet censored ideas, when even while he (anunymint) was posting, he was having difficulties making his ideas clear and even staying on topic, rather than devolving into continued and ongoing ad hominen lambasts.

and yet roach can post his crap all over the place and not get banned??? yet shelby gets banned?? at least shelby is trying to help people preserve their wealth.

forum is full of double standards.

I am not an administrator, and I don't know every single factor.  Sure each of see a bunch of bullshit from Roach, but has he actually violated the same rules as anunymint?  Do you know?  I doubt that there is a double standard, and there is adminstrative discretion regarding when lines are crossed.  Surely, there would be a desire not to ban folks, so it seems pretty fucking difficult to get banned in this forum, but anunymint and several of his alts (apparently) have reached (and breached) that level of nonsense.

Regarding, the supposed substantive importance of anunymint:  I would imagine if he was actually saying something that was so fucking substantively important, then it would either not be deleted or others would be ready, willing and able to say it.. in other words, we are likely not losing much if anything substantively by getting rid of peeps, such as anunymint, who rise to such high level of nonsense to actually get banned from a relatively permissive forum.
17946  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 08:12:52 PM
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Jay, just put him on ignore. It’s likely anunymit on another ALT any way.

I don't put peeps on ignore, even when they are disingenuous shill/trolls.. or they are talking a bunch of gibble-dee-gook nonsense.   
17947  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 11:15:41 AM

then you could figure out how much trolling you would allow before you took some actions and whether flaunting a previous ban would be good for your forum?  Oh, that's o.k.. just let banned accounts come back and do whatever the fuck they want.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You cannot understand anything Shelby designs or writes about. You continue to make technological and economic errors every time you reply to anything he has proposed or written about. IOW, Ignore (which is precisely what a decentralized moderation scheme enables).

Oh?  So you are going to pick up the Shelby (anunymint) slack to inform us about something of substance?  Or you just want to defend a troll?  Aka banned person?  By the way, if you have arguments that are really technical in nature, then you might want to present them in another thread.. If you want to spread some unsubstantiated and confusing claims like anunymint was presenting, then maybe you will find yourself in a similar fate, as him?

By the way, even anunymint acknowledged that he was off topic and engaged in a kind of trolling, so it remains a bit unclear how you are going to attempt to carry the anunymint ball in this thread, but I suppose you could try.

Certainly, I take any posts and posters with a BIG ass grain of salt

Yup that is quite evident. Everything goes in one ear and flies out the other, nothing stuck inside to be worse for the wear and tear on actual thinking.

So do you have something substantive to actually contribute?  Did you analyze my 12k + posts to find them unworthy?   What point(s) do you want to make?  Let's hear something substantive from you?  You want to talk about segwit?  or lightning? or big blocks?  Or security?  You realize this thread is about BTC price and wall watching, but if you can make some kind of meaningful connection about some kind of substantive Bitcoin point(s) there may be some folks (including myself) that would be ready, willing and able to interact with you about your insights, if you have any,... .... Go ahead.... I am all ears?  Where we going to start, beside your newbie assessment about me, which is actually irrelevant..? Can you start with something related to bitcoin, maybe related to walls and price, perhaps?
17948  Other / Meta / Anunymint ban on: July 14, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.

That's bullshit.

A warrior can learn how to present ideas clearly consisely, persuasively and even forcefully rather than employing various emotional outbursts, irrelevancies and personal attacks.  Bitcoin is powerful as fuck and powerful as fuck as a disrupter of traditional systems. If you are unwilling or unable to present your ideas amongst the disrupters (meaning core developers and those kind of technical folks), then what the fuck you doing spending a whole hell of a lot of time appealing to the masses with disjointed rants....

Anyhow, if his ideas were so meaningful and great, then perhaps even a BIP or two might be productive to bring attention to those supposed important various matters and to attempt to work with out great minds within core in weeding out the good, bad and the ugly of his ideas.  

Otherwise if he is engaged in an ongoing battle against core, then it merely appears that he is attacking bitcoin rather than attempting to be persuasively and warriorly constructive (and on the right side of the disrupters).

Seems like bullshit to put banned folks like this on a pedestal, and then to proclaim that somehow they have great, wonderful, yet censored ideas, when even while he (anunymint) was posting, he was having difficulties making his ideas clear and even staying on topic, rather than devolving into continued and ongoing ad hominen lambasts.
17949  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 03:22:14 AM
All you kids wanting to get in on the ground floor of something big.  Its not too late.  You have about a year to build your Bitcoin holdings.  Chasing shitcoin pumps is going to get you nowhere.  

Well this is not really true there is no more 50X a year coming and there are some shitcoins that will manage that.

I would prefer to frame the matter in terms of a pump period, rather than in terms of a year, and in the past pump period, from about October 2015 to December 2017 (26 months), we got about a 78x price appreciation.  

Now if our next pump period takes us from $6k to $300k, then that would be a 50x price appreciation for that pump period... It might not be completely expected, but it remains possible.

I personally get a bit offended when folks decide to "invest" in other coins because they believe them to be more easy to pump 50x or some other similar quantity.  Even though I get a bit offended, I understand that is the way of the world, so I accept it as it is, so there are all kinds of goofballs who are going to make killings of money by participating in pump and dumps and other scams, but I am personally not going to spend my time or energies to sink to such lambo chasing ventures.. when there are more honorable ways to invest and to make money, and I can already by my "lambo equivalent" with my already gotten bitcoin profits, if I were to want to buy such.. and I believe that my investment in bitcoin continues to be sound and a good investment - even though I am also prepared to transfer (or diversify) my investment into some other coin or project, if such a thing were to come about.  Currently, I do not see any such projects, and in my view, since we were also talking about dash (in regards to BJA's latest pump attempts), dash is also not that thing (I recognize that you seem to agree about that, but you might be more inclined towards getting involved in some other shit coins, no?).   Wink

So we are on the same page, afa shitcoins, I don't get involved with them. Monero is the only coin I hold (for obvious reasons) and I don't think there is anyone left that feels that is a shitcoin. But I do keep an eye on new tech as I don't believe we have invented all the human race will ever achieve as of yet and the future might hold a better option to anything current.

I do not participate in P&D's and been asked multiple times to endorse shitcoins. Funny thing about that is they offer ETH instead of BTC to shill their shit. I have called out a few scams and will continue to call them out when I see them.

And yeah, 300k is not on the horizon in anyones opinion at the moment and I'd bet my Dick Mcafee wishes he never bet his! Cheesy

You gotta be pretty confident to bet your dick, or just be an attention whore.

The fact of the matter is that you should not be betting your dick, unless it just does not work anyhow.. but it seems to be amongst the most valuable of assets.... don't they say that one of the most important things that you can have is your health, which is kind of a factor of time and years to live, and gosh, I would think that you would want to have your dick for such time, if you have time that is available, then it should be quality time..  which in sum, means using your dick to the extent feasible.  Perhaps, I am too sentimental?

We do hear about some guys who agree to some kind of treatment (such as prostate cancer) or other kinds of drug treatments that take away libido, but then we have other guys who take viagra to off-set those other drugs.  It is difficult to proclaim to know the answers for other people, and I do understand diminishing hormones that comes with age too, and surely some guys might not be wanting to use their dicks no more...

Anyhow, my point is perhaps moderation, and don't be betting your dick, because none of us know.

By the way, I don't need $300k to be happy, and I probably could be happy with $6k.. or even $2k, yet I have a decent amount of confidence that bitcoin is going to continue to appreciate in terms of price, so we have a certain great investment and icing on the cake for any price appreciation that comes from here.... Gosh, anything approaching $300k, and I might not know what to do with that much wealth.  hahahahahahaha.. but I would probably figure out something.. perhaps helicopter lessons, though I might prefer a chauffer (private pilot) rather than to end up killing myself because I don't know how to fly my (currently hypothetical) helicopter properly.
17950  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 01:15:51 AM
All you kids wanting to get in on the ground floor of something big.  Its not too late.  You have about a year to build your Bitcoin holdings.  Chasing shitcoin pumps is going to get you nowhere.  

Well this is not really true there is no more 50X a year coming and there are some shitcoins that will manage that.

I would prefer to frame the matter in terms of a pump period, rather than in terms of a year, and in the past pump period, from about October 2015 to December 2017 (26 months), we got about a 78x price appreciation.  

Now if our next pump period takes us from $6k to $300k, then that would be a 50x price appreciation for that pump period... It might not be completely expected, but it remains possible.

I personally get a bit offended when folks decide to "invest" in other coins because they believe them to be more easy to pump 50x or some other similar quantity.  Even though I get a bit offended, I understand that is the way of the world, so I accept it as it is, so there are all kinds of goofballs who are going to make killings of money by participating in pump and dumps and other scams, but I am personally not going to spend my time or energies to sink to such lambo chasing ventures.. when there are more honorable ways to invest and to make money, and I can already by my "lambo equivalent" with my already gotten bitcoin profits, if I were to want to buy such.. and I believe that my investment in bitcoin continues to be sound and a good investment - even though I am also prepared to transfer (or diversify) my investment into some other coin or project, if such a thing were to come about.  Currently, I do not see any such projects, and in my view, since we were also talking about dash (in regards to BJA's latest pump attempts), dash is also not that thing (I recognize that you seem to agree about that, but you might be more inclined towards getting involved in some other shit coins, no?).   Wink
17951  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 12:52:03 AM
wait, doesn't the Trezor stuff you in segwit addys?

You can chose legacy or segwit, even within the same wallet to have two divisions and to be able to view overall balance or the balance of the separate formats.

I am pretty sure that if you seed a trezor with a wallet that you already have, then it will keep the same format, and you can view each of the locations... and move coins between segwit or legacy addresses too, to the extent that you feel more comfortable with one versus another or some combination.

This is a very good post. I had no idea you had such technical insights. My bad.

Yeah right.  Sounds a bit patronizing.

I was just describing my experience with the Trezor, not very technical at all.

I knew you would think I was patronizing you. Why is everybody so cynical and paranoid all of a sudden? Huh

I just needed something to lash out at, and you seemed convenient.   Cheesy
17952  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 12:48:02 AM

What should I buy, the trezor https://amzn.to/2NdhnKE or save some money and get this keypay wallet https://amzn.to/2ulIMmQ ?


I have been dabbling with Ledger Nano S. It handles many currencies. For a long time it's only direct connection was with  Electrum on Tails Linux (very good) or Chromium plugin on Chrome (less good). They recently released a standalone Linux client for it (very good).

One feature I like, is that you can add a second password, for a second amount. Plausible deniability.
This one https://amzn.to/2unbgwr ? I’m gunna start loading up now, I just have a feeling like we’re not gunna see the lows all these so called “experts” are claiming. I’m not waiting any more.

Even if I largely agree with you that the bottom could be in.  There certainly is no certainty in that, and therefore, it is still good to buy incrementally.  Let's say that you have $10k that you want to buy with.  You might by 1/3 right now ($3,333) and then strategize with the remaining funds ($6,667).  But do whatever suits your personal situation including finances, expectations, risk tolerance and timeline.
17953  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 12:43:16 AM
wait, doesn't the Trezor stuff you in segwit addys?

You can chose legacy or segwit, even within the same wallet to have two divisions and to be able to view overall balance or the balance of the separate formats.

I am pretty sure that if you seed a trezor with a wallet that you already have, then it will keep the same format, and you can view each of the locations... and move coins between segwit or legacy addresses too, to the extent that you feel more comfortable with one versus another or some combination.

This is a very good post. I had no idea you had such technical insights. My bad.

Yeah right.  Sounds a bit patronizing.

I was just describing my experience with the Trezor, not very technical at all.
17954  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 10:39:24 PM
wait, doesn't the Trezor stuff you in segwit addys?

You can chose legacy or segwit, even within the same wallet to have two divisions and to be able to view overall balance or the balance of the separate formats.

I am pretty sure that if you seed a trezor with a wallet that you already have, then it will keep the same format, and you can view each of the locations... and move coins between segwit or legacy addresses too, to the extent that you feel more comfortable with one versus another or some combination.
17955  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 10:06:57 PM

What should I buy, the trezor https://amzn.to/2NdhnKE or save some money and get this keypay wallet https://amzn.to/2ulIMmQ ?

I thought that trezor was kind of the gold standard, and other hardware wallets are not quite up to snuff...   Trezor also have just come out with the new version model T.

Second, I also thought that it was best to attempt to purchase any hardware wallet directly with the manufacturer, so I am not sure if going through Amazon is necessarily acceptable... a problem with some of these wallets and their being tampered with.
17956  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 07:56:43 PM
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little sons of bitches, to be flashed like the south korea regulator... no need to play nice with those things... just hardcore... it is sad, but it is a war... Smiley... and pow uses a lot of energy...

I agree that there may be a bit of a war going on, but your point about POW using a lot of energy makes little sense.  Do you even bitcoin, bro?
17957  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 07:50:43 PM

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Please, shelby has more IQ then the population of the city where you live - together.

If you dont see the value in his posts i cant really help.

The multiposting was a bit annoying, but he got punished for it and it should be fine now.

Yeah, right.. you are gonna get the forum to reverse its ban decision?  Maybe presenting your ideas in meta would be better, and maybe if you had your own forum, then you could figure out how much trolling you would allow before you took some actions and whether flaunting a previous ban would be good for your forum?  Oh, that's o.k.. just let banned accounts come back and do whatever the fuck they want.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
17958  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 07:45:10 PM
Guys, yo' game, step it up yo



What the fuck?

Crypto industry needs to "step up their game"?  What the fuck does that mean?

He seems to consider that bitcoin is some kind of centralized entity?  He truly does not understand bitcoin.. and seems to be describing a feature, rather than a bug.  So if some nefarious players are able to send money around, but that is disempowering to other players, then the other players better figure out some other ways to battle the allegedly "nefarious players."  

Guys, yo' game, step it up yo



Can we please get some "representatives" who aren't ignorant pieces of shit?



("...says the guy with the Donald Trump avatar." I beat you lefties to it.)

Whether I am a leftie or rightie or whatever, you surely beat me to it.    Cry Cry
17959  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 07:21:24 PM
Fuck it. Let's all just dump into convertibles and personal watercraft. I'm sure we'd be happier for it. Giddy like school boys. Cheesy


Sure, pull a bit of profits, here and there.  We want to have some fun.

There were several guys posting about all the toys that they bought in bitcoin when the price rose to $700, and they were posting similar things when the price rose to $2k.. but surely some short-lived gratification, since they could have bought 10-20 of those same things with the same amount of bitcoin or even at today's prices 3-8 of those same things.... gratification versus deferred gratification with an appreciating asset such as bitcoin.

For anyone who has been into bitcoin for 2 or more years, because our investment into bitcoin has done so well, it is quite likely that we could still buy some pretty nice shit, and only pull out relatively small amounts along the way.... and even if we kind of over extended, and we need a bit of cash flow, we can still pull out small portions at these $6k prices and still be decently profitable by balancing our pull outs.

Some of the guys (and gal) who are putting so much emphasis on their consumer good purchases, seem to either be really short sighted in valuing their wealth in fiat or they are purposefully trolling the folks participating in/reading this thread.

I wouldn’t believe half of the crap some people say on here Jay.

People with a load of money don’t tend to brag about it, they’d rather be discrete. Nobody of any real means wants others to know their personal wealth.

I’m pretty confident of that btw.

Certainly, I take any posts and posters with a BIG ass grain of salt, and I think that any of us are better protected when we might misstate our own situation a bit or to present some hypothetical numbers, rather than our actual holdings. 

At the same time, there are some truths that come out.. and some flaunting of consumer goods in order to emphasize that aspect of bitcoin.  Do you remember mtech or whatever the fuck his name was.. he comes back from time to time, but surely he was somewhat correct, when he sold his whole stash on the way down  from $1200 to $200, and he supposedly sold around $600 - but he was still lording it over folks and trolling the fuck out of the thread and saying how rich he was, blah blah blah... Those peeps need to be called out and challenged, no?  Sometimes they do come around and sometimes they do buy back in at lower prices, but frequently the message from those kinds of folks tends to be aimed to troll and to act like they know more than everyone else (and suggest bitcoin is dying, blah blah blah) rather than to really attempt to contribute to any kind of meaningful bitcoin conversation.
17960  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 07:11:14 PM
I sold all the way up, Bro.  I was down to dust at the top. Bought some really cool night vision goggles on purse.io.  I can't really use them on the SeaDoo I bought before that. Or the convertible. or the other convertible. or the motorcycle. or the house. How u doin?

Lol, guy bragging about how he liquidated all his bitcoin for a bunch of depreciating assets to stroke his own ego.... to Bitcoin holders who are in it for the long term gains and possibly early retirement.

How about we won't be broke in 10 years. Like u, Bro?

I get a regular stream of income from my masternode. The amount varies depending on trading price, but I don't have to worry about market timing which admittedly I suck at.

You also suck at controlling your emotion, which means that we can almost never rely on you to keep your word to sell all your BTC and to never come back... hahahahhahahaha...

You are going to be in and out of bitcoin as long as you have free will to hit the "buy" button. So, yeah, we are likely stuck with you, and your many seemingly pumping and dumping warts, too.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Wink
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