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181  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What are the chances of an address collision? and what happens when it does? on: August 29, 2012, 05:32:23 PM
Chance are negligible. If collision occurs with a funded address, attacker you can transfer funds elsewhere.



Chances are still negligible when 1 billion people are using it?  also can't I just run some kind of bots, that randomly generate addresses to see if
they have funds in them?

Yes, chances remain negligible. You could run your bot, but it'd be a waste of electricity. Chances are you'd wait the lifetime of the universe before finding a collision.

Not to mention that even if you could find addresses, if the block reward went to zero TODAY without a billion people using Bitcoin, even today's minute amounts of transaction fees would still be worth more per cpu/gpu/fpga cycle than if you'd spent that same cycle looking for populated addresses. Given that the same equipment you'd use in such an address search should, because of the similarity of the tasks, be capable of mining as well, it would be more profitable to use that equipment for mining purposes.
182  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What are the chances of an address collision? and what happens when it does? on: August 29, 2012, 05:28:45 PM
can't I just run some kind of bots, that randomly generate addresses to see if they have funds in them?

See this question on the StackExchange site for a rundown of why brute-forcing private keys (which is essentially what you're describing) is also a no-go.
183  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What are the chances of an address collision? and what happens when it does? on: August 29, 2012, 05:26:37 PM
Given your example of 1 billion users at 10 addresses each:

There are 2^160 or about 1,460,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible addresses
In your scenario, 1,000,000,000 people are using 10 addresses each for a total of 10,000,000,000 possible addresses
10,000,000,000 / 2^160 should yield the probability of a collision occurring
10,000,000,000 / 2^160 = 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000684

So the chances of a collision occurring in your scenario are approximately 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000684%

See why we don't consider collisions an issue?
184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Good Wife record beaten on: August 24, 2012, 06:34:42 AM
Step 1: Find, by sheer chance, leaked IRC log on PasteBin, write up article and promote the hell out of it
Step 2: Get re-blogged by CNN without attribution
Step 3: ? ? ?
Step 4: CNN capitalizes on the biggest media frenzy Bitcoin has ever seen, reaps all the profit.

(Optional Step 5: Hang self in closet with belt?)
185  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA on: August 21, 2012, 05:17:51 PM
new bitcoin hashing algo will use proof-of-stake and a memory-hard algo so that CPU mining will be the new thing.

Care to cite a source for your FUD?
186  Economy / Goods / Re: Bitcoin Checks on: August 20, 2012, 10:42:11 PM
Sorry I was afk for so long, work has been crazy.

I did get a set of replacement checks and while I don't have any pictures I can say that simply putting an extra holographic sticker on the back absolutely solved the flashlight attack and I haven't found a way to break the new checks yet.
187  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: told to kill myself on IRC? on: August 20, 2012, 10:35:10 PM
issue resolved. Thanks to all the nice people. And thanks for exposing yourself as untrustworthy nasty people to all those who used this thread to tell me to end my life.

Oh you're so so welcome! We consider it a valuable service to have made your skin a little thicker. The world is, after all, a not-so-nice place and entitled thin-skinned folks like yourself haven't got an "immune system" so to speak to protect you from the true assholes out there. By being a milder version of such assholes, we build up your tolerance before the real douchebags get to you.

YOU'RE WELCOME.
188  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitinstant paycard on: August 20, 2012, 10:22:42 PM

And signed up!

So awesome you guys.
189  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitinstant paycard on: August 20, 2012, 10:14:01 PM
I'd want 2 or 3 when they're out and if there is anywhere to sign up for one of the first please point me to it Smiley

https://docs.google.com/a/bitinstant.com/spreadsheet/embeddedform?formkey=dHZtVkZSVm92X0otR2gzb3UtckFVNVE6M

190  Economy / Speculation / Re: BitInstant Credit Card and Bitcoin Prices on: August 20, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
I have been saying for ages that one of the biggest hurdles to getting Bitcoin in every 7-11 and WalMart is the "can't pay my electric bill with it" factor. Now you can pay almost any costs you have with Bitcoin you receive from sales. This opens up the ability of merchants to use Bitcoin like a real currency, which maybe reduces volatility a little.
191  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitInstant debit/credit card at #4 on HN on: August 20, 2012, 05:01:03 AM
And it looks like we're falling again, back to #4 already. Was fun while it lasted...

Still, the last 2 hours have made my blog's traffic graphs for the rest of the month look like a flat line.  Grin
192  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitInstant debit/credit card at #4 on HN on: August 20, 2012, 04:48:10 AM
#2!



Thanks, in the excitement I forgot to post!



#2!!!
193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitInstant debit/credit card at #4 on HN on: August 20, 2012, 04:22:53 AM
Now at #3

194  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / BitInstant debit/credit card at #4 on HN on: August 20, 2012, 04:20:12 AM
My blog post about the BitInstant credit/debit card is currently #4 on HN. Shall we make it #1?



And of course in no way am I selfishly promoting that link because it goes to my blog  Grin
195  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I want firstbits key pair for 1gig on: August 16, 2012, 05:48:23 AM
So 3* addresses are usable by clever folk, not people like us Smiley

Well I personally count myself in that "clever folk" category, but I also count myself in the "way too lazy to deal with experimental software" and "entirely too lazy to deal with git and a compiler when an executable is available" - either way, the effect is similar  Grin
196  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I want firstbits key pair for 1gig on: August 16, 2012, 01:20:57 AM
Oh, and he couldn't get firstbits 3gig right now anyway since firstbits doesn't seem to support those address versions either:



Granted, this is probably erroneous, but it does lend further credence to my "invalid vs unusable" argument.

Blockchain.info is probably more popular and does support version 5 address firstbits.

I'll concede that, given that I had blockchain.info bookmarked and firstbits.com wasn't, but it just further makes the point that "coverage is spotty" for v5 addresses, spotty enough to make them largely unusable.
197  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I want firstbits key pair for 1gig on: August 16, 2012, 01:03:41 AM
Oh, and he couldn't get firstbits 3gig right now anyway since firstbits doesn't seem to support those address versions either:



Granted, this is probably erroneous, but it does lend further credence to my "invalid vs unusable" argument.
198  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I want firstbits key pair for 1gig on: August 16, 2012, 12:26:02 AM
Prefix '3GiG' not possible
Hint: valid bitcoin addresses begin with "1"

Are you sure?

How do you explain this address then?

https://blockchain.info/address/3A5XQWZPzG4GrpVeYFaDBZ1s4sXkYB69Wf

But don't let a fact get in the way of a strongly held belief Wink

I'm not understanding how the 3 addresses aren't valid...their relation to op_eval, multisig, hashes of scripts, etc....but by this link it appears to me that a 3 address can both store Bitcoins and transfer them to a 1 address: https://blockchain.info/address/3DLCRW4v2zcMoWfk8HH95JvMtQgCKhgKYt

Now, please, I don't want to be responsible for killing anyone...if you feel you might rupture an intracranial aneurysm, please stop reading and go see an interventional neuroradiologist or neurosurgeon.

 

OK so differentiating between "valid" and "usable" is a bit pedantic IMHO but let's go ahead and change the language we're using anyway. Whether or not they're valid, they're not USABLE. Let's see what happens if we try to send coins to 3DLCRW4v2zcMoWfk8HH95JvMtQgCKhgKYt with some various clients/services:

Blockchain.info wallet:


MtGox withdrawal:


BitcoinSpinner Android Client:


Bitcoin Wallet for Android by Andreas Schildbach:


I haven't had a chance to test with the Satoshi client yet since this is a work PC and I don't (can't) have Bitcoin installed on it, will update when I get home. At the very least I can say at this moment that none of the web-based or Android-based clients support this Bitcoin address version yet, which makes it largely unusable. I suspect that the 0.6.3 Satoshi client doesn't support them without special configuration either. Even if it does, none of the exchanges, eWallets or other services will send to such an address so it would only be usable in the one direction.

I suspect that all the 3* addresses in the blockchain folks are linking to as "proof" are live tests of OP_EVAL using experimental forks.
199  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I want firstbits key pair for 1gig on: August 15, 2012, 07:12:52 PM
Where there is a will there is a way and what ever the way is I will find it!

No, there's not. This has been proven many many times over. If "where there's a will, there's a way" were true, those hippies in the 60s would have successfully levitated the pentagon. There is no way for you to 1) get the privkey for that address without contacting its rightful owner or 2a) get another key to match those firstbits without 2b) changing the algorithm behind firstbits, which you also can't do.

Just give up on the 1gig firstbits man, it is literally an impossibility.
200  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I want firstbits key pair for 1gig on: August 15, 2012, 01:13:16 AM
Email bounced for contact@firstbits.com

What is this guy's username on here?

What, exactly, are you going to ask him? If he can change the algorithm that assigns firstbits because you're so super special? It's not a big database that he can just overwrite or something, it's an algorithm that finds the first address in the blockchain matching 1gig* - it's published, widely used and there's a fair chance that even IF firstbits.com would change their copy of the algo just for you, the community would abandon it for another site that adhered to the publicly published standard.

firstbits 1gig is in use, you're not going to change the algorithm, you're not going to brute force the privkey, just choose a different target and move on with life. It's gone man, it's gone.
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