Anybody bought on c2c? I tried with 2 accounts but received no verification mail. Waiting for support since yesterday. I wanna buy sky but can´t 

Apologies for the noise. I decided to reverse this trade. I see that LTC has a wedge pattern that is rapidly closing so it should breakout to the upside. Also on study of the ETH chart, I don't like the current pattern. Its very difficult to determine at what level the firm support is for ETH.

I need to ignore the discouraging discussion with the redditards and stay focused on the economics of what I had discovered.

That cost me ~$250. Fuck.

Lesson learned. Don't waste time talking to Redditards.

I have not looked at qtum's code.

We know the qtum founder and he is one of the largest investors in Skycoin from four years ago, before qtum or any of this. Some of the people around him are legendary scammers, but he is not a scammer.

I think Patricks role in the bitbay situation is exaggerated. I read through the arguments and it just sounds like drama.

Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.

I think Patrick was blamed for Bitbay because his personality makes him an easy victim for sociopaths and the human predators in the bitcoin community. There are people walking around, sizing people up and trying to determine whether they can manipulate someone, setup a scam, steal things and who is going to be gullible or a fall person.

If you knew the people involved, you would understand what the social dynamic is.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.

Yes, but it's not possible until at least 80% coins distributed. currently only 13.7% coins are distributed 

You guys have been doom and gloom for the past 3 months. Since I got into AMP I have only seen people here talking negatively about it.


- First you guys said that AMP was a scam.   -> It's not
- Then you guys were fearmongering about the CTO leaving.   -> Get over it.
- Then you guys were complaining about the dumping of RCHAIN -> Now it's fixed, the team have found an alternative
-Then you guys were fearmongering about the lack of a prouct -> Now we will see updates next week.


So every time you come up with a new excuse to criticize AMP, meanwhile I am just sitting comfortably in my chair and laughing.

But I had no doubt back then in January, and I have no doubt now. Maybe I am just a more experienced investor, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out the shameless FUD attemps in this thread.

So I suggest you to just get over it, and don't complain until you see evidence about something wrong. Baseless speculations are not good for any of us.

these guys are not random crypto devs working on a scam coin for sure. but yes their skills in marketing suck. maybe it's good cause we got in cheap

I've received this "potential news" so I am just posting it here. There is a rumor buzzing that polo will add another coin. started by this tweet:

https://twitter.com/crypto_leaks
#poloniex add confirm will be open this friday to sunday. Cheer

Now if we assume the leak is true then the main candidates, at least according to buzz, for now are either pivx or ark. They might have confirmed which coin to add this sunday  and if leak is true will probably add it on monday.

However another twitter account with almost the same name (probably same person)  tweeted this 6 days ago:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CryptoLeakz?s=09
There's a rumble in the jungle, There's a whisper in the trees, The animals are waking up and rustling new cryptoleakz

These two twitter accounts have made some leaks in the past so there is certain credibility.

now the quote is taken from the Rumble in the jungle and here is the photo:


Now I dont need to tell you twice what animal is on that page.

interestingly enough, 2 days before that tweet this user here noticed  that something strange is going on:


yes, like he asked: Something brewing we aren't aware of yet?

Now this is all really very indirect, even far fetched, coincidental, (adn even polo add is just a rumor for now) but I though you should know.We will see soon I guess.

any comments?

The major real economic effect of the compounding stock split is to incentivize investors to buy & hold earlier so they can maximize their stake relative to those who buy later, due to the power of compounding.

That is actually quite a powerful effect. That is a clever feature to add to a coin. I think I will copy it.  

"Mais dans 3 ans, tu penses que nexus, wawes ou shadowcash seront encore dans le top 10 ? Improbable."

Nexus est à peine à 30 centimes et n'est même pas dans le top 30..

En outre, leur projet d'envoyer des mini satellites en 2018 afin d'avoir un réel systeme décentralisé montre qu'il s'agit d'un projet à long terme

Nice to see Bittrex is interested in XRB. This active community deserves big exchanges.

Je confirme ca serait top ! Je suis nouveau dans ce forum et je m'aperçois que niveau infos sur les altcoins il faut apprendre l'anglais car en français elles sont rare ...
J'ai investit dans le MAID, le pivx, le shadowcash et STEEM, vous en pensez quoi ?
Sur des anciens message je vois qu'il faut s'interesser au lisk, waves, syscoin et nexus? vous confirmez? Merci d'avance

 No discounted distribution, please. As I invested almost 2 years ago @2500 SKY per BTC I didn't gain a lot being an early investor (while those BTC I invested might be more profitable in other ventures during that time, 20% price change is nothing for such a risky endeavour, especially in crypto). Early investors were communicating with the dev via bitmessage and it will be hardly possible to distribute the remaining coins to them as Spratan proposed. I think that such a steady price increment is an obstacle for ICO. Why the hell should we risk that much if next partial ICO will be about 1500 SKY per BTC?

The marketcap will be zero unless you guys stop focusing on the damn price and actually start contributing. We just announced IOTA Learn which is key to getting developers into the IOTA ecosystem, and instead of discussing this people are just speculating about the price. Fuck sake.

I saw the trade record on ydx.  Selling is more than buying.
yesterday, a lot of iota have been sold at 18 mBTC.

yes, it is current partial ICO (max 500000 skycoins)
I see big players are coming in...