I'm amazed at the level of denial here. "Bitcoin will one day rise again like the phoenix." "The price is great the way it is going." "The lower the price gets the more I am considering the possibility that this is intentional." It's far too late for that. This thing is over.
Again, if you have cash in any of the exchanges, get it out now. None of those guys are audited.
Hey Nagle, can I borrow your time machine? I'd like to find out who wins the world series. |
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now I feel again that I'm on the track of another innovation of Bitcoin mining, which will be DDoS resistant yet easy to use and with steady payouts like normal share based pools
Something along the lines of p2pool, or another peer to peer mining pool? I feel that such a pool is going to be huge for bitcoin security and trustworthiness. |
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So... when you convert it into a different asset... is that not "spending"?
You would consider converting USD to EUR spending? lol It's not "hoarding"/saving USD... |
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that are DDOSing the pools.
If someone finds these pricks, lay them a good beating for me. Make sure they require two chest tubes after the beating.
So use p2pool instead? |
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I count believing strongly as investing strongly in terms of dollars, anything else is very hard to measure. As large amounts of people are selling they must be less invested in the currency and as of such are leaving in the way that matters... with their capital.
"I'm right, therefore I'm right (I said it so it must be true)!" |
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Actually you moved the goal posts when you asked me to point to "a single person" who left bitcoin and the community I was just refuting your argument and showing that by your target of "a single person" I am correct.
I couldn't have moved them, that was my first reply in the thread. You did in fact shift the goal posts, in two ways: many of the original investors who felt most strongly became people who invested thousands - you're talking about two different groups of peopleare leaving became [not] stay fully exposed - you're talking about two different actions |
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Also the fact the currency is falling in value and many of the original investors who felt most strongly are leaving could well damage its future prospects as these are the people who believed in it as a medium of exchange.
The idea that you are suggesting people who invested thousands are all gonna have enough faith in bitcoins for every one of them to stay fully exposed to bitrcoin is crazy.
giarc uses shift goal posts...
It's not very effective!it takes people time to rebuild confidence in the stability of a currency, exchange rate changes do matter as people rarely can buy and spend their bitcoins instantly.
Bitcoin was never designed to and may never be stable in exchange against fiat currencies. |
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I think something to keep in mind too is that even though a 6 cent price was sustained a year ago, there's waaaaaaaaaaaay more bitcoins in the chain now, so if bitcoin truly does crash down to the point where the 'core supporters' are the only ones left, I think even $0.06/BTC would be a bit much  You're forgetting that there are more "core supporters" now than a year ago. I'm one of them. |
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You're confusing a lot of things here. Honestly, it all sounds like a grab bag of half assed arguments to try and bolster your belief that you can disrespect the efforts of others.
Can you please do me the courtesy of responding to my arguments, the same standard to which you hold me, instead of dismissing them? I already presented my arguments. Feel free to go back and reread them. I don't hold that your current arguments need addressing. For example, if I presented an argument to you regarding this topic, and you came back and started discussing the length of giraffe necks, I'd just shake my head and move on. If you wish to address why you believe a particular film would just magically come into being in the absence of those who created it, or wish to address why you believe you can deny compensation to those who put forth a huge effort to make a film, then do so. As it stands though, your arguments just aren't worth much. If you've got arguments that address the issues highlighted in this post, please use them. Otherwise, if you continue to insist that others respond to your posts but deny them the same courtesy, then you are a hypocrite and have nothing further to offer this discussion. If you refuse to respond to my arguments and instead rely upon character attacks, you are admitting to this fact. |
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You're confusing a lot of things here. Honestly, it all sounds like a grab bag of half assed arguments to try and bolster your belief that you can disrespect the efforts of others.
Can you please do me the courtesy of responding to my arguments, the same standard to which you hold me, instead of dismissing them? |
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The moment I gain the ability to travel large distances across space, I'm going to find an alien race and cut up their livestock to dick around with them instead of opening lines of communication and learn about them.
What if the act you consider "opening lines of communication" ends up being perceived by them as "cut up their livestock to dick around with them"? |
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Tell me, is copying your fellow classmate's test answers appropriate or allowed? Is copying your fellow student's thesis acceptable? You're confusing copying with plagiarism. Why are you arguing against your own perceived set of counter-arguments against your stance? What? No. Continue reading. Freeing slaves "harms" the slaveowner's ability to own slaves, but it was never their right to own slaves in the first place. Demonstrate to me that it is statistically likely in the next trillion years or so that the number would've been found otherwise. It does not. Fucking. Matter. Demonstrate to me that it is statistically likely in the next trillion years or so that the number a method of picking cotton without slaves would've been found otherwise. Anyway, your fundamental premise is wrong. Ideas are simultaneously discovered all the time. If you can do that, your case might be stronger. Otherwise, it can mathematically be demonstrated that any other person would never benefit from the number's existence unless the original discoverer found it. So? You may, someday, benefit from us dropping logic bombs upon you as we have been doing for the past 50 pages or so. Does that entitle us to some sort of payment? NO. And lastly, since you have pointed out, physical property is not the same as numbers. Given that, you're going to find it tough to demonstrate that the idea of 'copying' a number has any meaning. In mathematics, the set of all numbers means each number is unique and only exists once - rendering the idea of copying nonsensical. Since all numbers are unique and only exist once, it can be demonstrated that your possession of it is in fact stealing, as opposed to copying.
Ugh. No, numbers do not "exist once". If I think of a brand new number, it only exists in my mind. If I share it with others, it simultaneously exists in their minds. The fact that it exists in some other mind does not diminish the fact that it still exists in mine and I can use it. Contrast this with any physical property. |
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Honestly, are you dense? Copying the number 925 and a number the size of which resides on a DVD are both acts of copying. Both are different in degree though, and that is what matters. Same as something touching your back. Both are acts of force, but different in degree.
I'm referring to your continued insistence that copying == theft. I will admit that copying a number without the permission of the "finder" does "harm" to the extent that they were entitled to profit by controlling the use of the number. However, it does not harm them in the same way that they are harmed if I take their physical property. Furthermore, I do not agree that by finding the number they are entitled to control its use by others (who use their physical property to do so). |
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Sorry, but no. I am not going to call all mimicry theft. By your logic, a pat on the back is the same as a cannonball hitting your back at 200 miles per hour. The two are different.
You can't just make up some stupid shit and say "by your logic". Both a pat on the back and a cannonball are physical force. Your logic is that physical things and ideas should treated the same. So a better analogy would be "a cannonball hitting your back at 200 miles per hour and the thought of a cannonball hitting your back at 200 miles per hour are the same thing". |
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Why not, since it would never be found otherwise? You just quoted his post, which is copying the information he found, without permission. Pay him restitution or we will come kidnap you! |
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Nobody's mentioned the Silk Road yet?
Dont' know the address and howto. |
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Who needs Options?
Who needs margin trading? Individuals or organizations (like businesses) that want to hedge the risk of the fluctuating exchange rate, yet still use Bitcoins as a medium of exchange. |
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Nobody's mentioned the Silk Road yet?
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I still don't think that the occupy movement will do much (if anything) to bitcoin in the long run.
The more the merrier. It would be more people to spread the word about BitCoin, that may be good considering the occupy movement seems to consist of people that are mainly active within their movement, so therefore this can benefit similar like minded movements. It just depends whether the occupy movement would see BitCoin as a similar and like minded movement, I believe they would. I think the Occupy movement first needs to decide what it's protesting for/against. I went to my local protest just to look around and there were people protesting everything from marijuana legalization, to tax rates, to 9/11 conspiracies, to wealth inequality. Seems like a lot of people who are pissed about a bunch of stuff. Spreading the word about Bitcoin is fine but it looks like they have other issues they want to deal with first. They're all related, unfortunately many don't realize that the problem is government, just one of the symptoms is corporations. Bitcoin (or the concept of decentralized currency anyway) is one of many cures. |
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