There you go again.  Attempting to place yourself as the smartest person in the room, but you are not really engaging in any kind of clarification of your ideas, to the extent that you might have some ideas that matter.



I don't really know what the fuck you are attempting to accomplish with your changes.


Infofront can do whatever the fuck he wants.  He can also make decisions for himself.  How could I be forcing or pressuring him..?  You make little fucking sense, but apparently you have had some effectiveness in persuading a few peeps in this thread.    He also owns this thread, so there is that too.

By the way, you keep threatening to leave us, but you don't follow through with your threat... Sad for us..  

Segwit has been activated and implemented into bitcoin by normal consensus... therefore, if you support bitcoin, then you should be attempting to utilize and support its current and newest features... eg.. segwit... Keep a decent percentage of your coins on segwit addresses and using segwit features,...Ibian.    Get with the bitcoin program... modern bitcoin... not old bitcoin.

Apparently infofront believes that anunymint is contributing to the thread?  Even infofront has decide to follow anunymint's advice.. seems like...

Stupid ass statements like this shows your true agenda to denigrate and to attack bitcoin through your own misleading.

First of all.  I thought that you had decided to childishly wish me luck in losing my coins, and you were going to continue to attempt to dialogue with me?  I guess you changed your mind?

Second, I develop a considerable amount of skepticism whenever I hear people describing or characterizing themselves as "the smartest person in the room" or anything close to that.  Instead of describing and characterizing yourself as smart, wouldn't it be better for you to actually demonstrate such smartness through your ideas and presentation of ideas.  So far I have not seen it.  So far I have seen a lot of name calling that seem aimed at inflaming and provoking rather than being justified descriptions about what is happening and inaccurate generalizing that includes the reliance on several faulty presumptions.


Get the fuck out of here.

First of all you are attempting to characterize core as if it were some kind of centralized business, when instead it is largely open and pushed by merit.  Those people who have good ideas and present their ideas well gain respect in such community.

The system is not exactly democratic, but certainly there are strong democratic aspects that allow meritorious participation... strongest ideas win...  Also, like Adam Back said in the quoted posts there are incentives built into mining, that kind of assume lack of trust and self interest, but that miners will do the right thing based on not wanting to kill their golden goose.  Sure there may be some powerful players who attempt to burn the thing down, but likely those evil players will get shunned and miners will move away from them. Of course, economics, game theory and politics play out too... and bitcoin has been adapting to some of the gamesmanship and one-upsmanship, too.

Likely bitcoin has gotten stronger from the multitude of attacks through 2017, and sure your spreading FUD about segwit is just another one of those attempts at an attack to attempt to get peeps to move off of segwit.



Now you are a "we"?  A royal "we"?  (which would just be you).... If not a "royal we", then  who are the members of your stupid ass propaganda/FUD spreading team?

I don't want to repeat... but if you did what you say, then you should be "sitting pretty" about now.

Yes... everyone do what troll anunymint suggests, and that way your coins will be safe.. panic, everyone.

Yes.  I agree.  I watched it, and surely his bullish bitcoin expectations has some expectations that younger generation demographics is going to help to push bitcoin/crypto currencies, and that fairly major changes have already occurred based on the practices of the younger generation.  Thanks for the link.

You have to be exaggerating a bit, no?

I understand that you might not have been as bullish as you should have been about bitcoin in earlier times, but still haven't you made any money in bitcoin? 

You have been around long enough to get 3 digit BTC.. but let's say you really screwed up and your average cost per BTC is around $3k... .. aren't you still up 2x? 

Couldn't be as bad as you are making out the situation, even understanding that BTC prices are down about 70% from the mid-December 2017 peak.

Seems like another one of those temper tantrum / rage quit scenarios of "I'm taking my marbles and going home."  hahahaha

Sure, there are going to be some folks who are like that, but I would imagine, you are mostly referring to a minority.  Folks looking in, are going to criticize bitcoin supporters like that, and generalize that it is like a BIG ass religion.  I might grant the point, if there were not actual solidly strong fundamentals behind BTC.  Alt coin pumping has way more religious attributes than bitcoin.. but whatever, I will grant that any of them, including bitcoin, could appear more like a religion if there is either some lack of understanding of its fundamentals or a failure to believe regarding the significance of some of the fundamentals.  I will also grant that there is a certain level of technicals, economics, politics, computer programming that must take some faith to accept because there are not too many people (even the really smart ones) who are going to understand all aspects of bitcoin, even if they specialize in some of them (including some of the developers not understanding some of the politics and economics, but they still end up supporting the right principles that cause bitcoin to serve as a stronger and stronger product of course with varying valuable use cases).



The whole experience might remind you of that, but of course, there are going to be considerable differences, and as many of us likely know there are likely a lot more holes in various religions whether we are referring to individual interpretation and practice or broader theories. 

Thanks for the link and the further elaboration.  I think that links help when making assertions that seem to be based on polls.

You are providing support that "core" has a marketing team?  Maybe this assertion flew over my head?



Edit:  fluidjax seems to have provided a more clear response on the topic.  Thanks fluidjax.

Congrats on achieving your extra time, jbreher, and sounds as if you largely accomplished such on your own terms.  Hopefully, your freed up time will move you a bit away from bcash shilling and/or bitcoin bashing to result in more meaningful contributions here.. to the extent that you continue to spend time here.

Let us pray.




Edited: Added response.


Yes.  Surely, you and I are starting out with differing starting perspectives.  You have tended to want to read some kind of free market  "all is fair in love and war" acceptance of various BIG blocker attempts to undermine bitcoin.. and to recognize those supposed avenues to keep bitcoin in check as reasonable.

I just don't see it that way.. nor the ethics of attacking to be a fair and honest pursuit of ones vision.  surely, there can be academic ways to recognize the two sides of war, but I don't recognize a lot of the tactics of either bcashers or BIG blockers to fit within those fair and honest adversary. Sure, there are likely some good and decent people within the movements, but I find it reprehensible for folks to be supporting people like Roger Ver and Craig Wright.  Takes only a small amount of time to notice that each of those goofballs is 1) full of shit, 2) disingenuous, 3) an obsessed and emotional narcisist and likely some other negative descriptors that escape me at this moment.  Surely, bcash and BIG blockers are not just composed of nutjobs like Roger and Craig, but still they seem to be somewhat idolized by the BIG blocker and bcash community.


You cannot give up on your bcash is bitcoin vision, and even though theoretically, i can accept that some projects could start out as scams and then progress into something meaningful, and even while bcash started out as a scam, the passage of time does not seem to be legitimizing it with any kind of legitimacy.. especially when it still seems to be engaged with deceptive practices that try to trick peeps into believing that it is "the real" bitcoin.  Hard to go along with that as legitimate or to consider it as anything other than a bitcoin attack vector.


Get the fuck out of here with that attempt at equivalency nonsense.

Bitcoin has the community and the networking effects.  Bcash does not even come close to serving as "the real" bitcoin.

Having equity in your investment helps.  Having a cushion of equity helps.  Having a plan to buy more if price goes down helps.  Having confidence that the BTC price is likely to go up in the future helps.

What the fuck you talking about Ibian?   BTC is decentralized.  You seem to be framing "core" as if it is some kind of centralized team that is making decisions about the direction of bitcoin.  That is NOT the case.  You should understand a bit more about bitcoin, by now.  The direction of bitcoin becomes established by consensus.. and segwit was agreed to, tested, and then activated and implemented through consensus.

Each of us can decide the extent to which we want to invest into decentralized projects or to hedge our bets with various projects that are likely to be more centralized..   In other words, on the spectrum of centralization, there are no other projects that are as decentralized as bitcoin... If you have an example of one, then name it and describe how it is more decentralized than bitcoin.

It is not pure "belief".  There is evidence to back up bitcoin being secure and ongoing attacks through physical attempts (such as spam), market manipulation and FUD spreading attempts.  So, anyone supporting and investing into BTC rather than pumping a bunch of alt coin and ICO nonsense gotta take "concern spreading" about BTC with a BIG ASS grain of salt.

Link or it didn't happen.   

Ultimately, you can do whatever you want.  I am largely suggesting that if you support a system, then you should use it to make it stronger rather than getting scared away by fear mongers.. and largely a lot of speculative disinformation that is not likely to play out in real life scenarios.  Yes, I recognize that you seemed to have identified a compromise that you believe to be acceptable (and that is surely for yourself to decide what you feel comfortable with), but maybe you should question the extent to which you might be overly cautious and not even attempting to use the segwit aspect of addresses for storage.   

Largely you may be correct that there is not much of a difference... there also may be a certain non-necessity to move coins from legacy addresses to segwit addresses if they are already sitting in those addresses.


Yes.  I am not really talking about fees and transaction times for long term storage.  I do think that there are modern solutions to privacy that are being worked on with segwit.  I am not sure if there would be as much development on legacy systems... but I am not really sure.  So for example, I think that it can be helpful to divide your coins into different wallets, instead of keeping them in one wallet, and sometimes wallets will engage in some kind of unclear method of combining addresses within the wallet that you may have been trying to keep private, but then when you send, the wallet combines the addresses, so the output shows both addresses connected to you.  In that regard, there may be newer wallets (such a segwit wallets) that are trying to deal with this issue and give more power to users to control.


I should not have to explain this concept.  If segwit fear spreaders are trying to cause folks not to use segwit or to adopt it, then they achieve part of their objective when users act on such fears and fail/refuse to use segwit.  It is largely a systemic issue rather than an individual issue.   


We remain early adopters and kinds of guinea pigs.  We are going out of your way to use bitcoin, and to learn about bitcoin.  The more we learn, the better we understand it.... Of course, there is a balance and only so many hours in the day to learn about new systems.  When I first got into bitcoin, I attempted to learn about just a couple of aspects, and through the years, I have added more and more kinds of activities and for me, my participation in the bitcoin ecosystem has continued to be an ongoing learning process.. but I admit that I can only do so much at any one time.  I am currently considering adding another wallet for myself, and so I understand that it can take a while to learn and to add more bitcoin tools to my bitcoin toolbox.

This whole line of discussion seems a bit strange because there surely are a lot of merit worthy posts in the forum.. I personally think that it is just a matter of reading through posts. 

For example, if you are eager to give away a certain quantity of smerits (let's say 50 smerits), then you could have a target to give away 5 merits per day for 10 days or you could have a target to give away 2 merits per day for 25 days or you could spread those goals over a week or a month or whatever time period is comfortable for you. 

Giving away smerits does not seem to be a difficult problem to solve or a bad problem to have, but if you want to attempt some kind of reasonableness or fair distribution (without becoming anal in regards to making the perfect the enemy of the good), then it does take a bit of work to sort the better posts from the less quality posts (all under nearly whatever standard (in your own discretion) you create for yourself).