I just have one question: Do you go to college to become a conspiracy researcher or do they offer on the job training?
Well, let's see, i'll send you the course for just $99.95. How about that? Actually, all it takes is being a truth seeker, and not accepting anything as reality, unless it's been tested against some scientific method established for discerning the truth. The method of course is individualized. Some people are just more intuitive by nature and some are actually psychic. But most folks that are serious about researching conspiracies, start with something like the JFK assassination or the Illuminati, nowadays, since the advent of the internet, it's a lot easier to learn about almost any conspiracy. But conspiracies are no more than puzzles or mind games. They are fun for some, and others take them much more seriously. The funny thing is, that a conspiracy is defined as such: con·spir·a·cy [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA –noun, plural -cies. 1. the act of conspiring. 2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot. 3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government. and so therefore, it's not very difficult criteria to meet to call something a conspiracy, yet when someone claims a conspiracy, they get called a "conspiracy theorist", which is itself a form of degradation to the truth seeker. If you want to know one way to smell a conspiracy or detect one, is to see the situation from all sides, without bias one way or the other, and then to take into account all the known facts, and to see what the detractors are saying with an open mind. In this case, the only facts we have are these. 1.) a person registered on this forum under the name AllinVain, which in itself, is highly suspicious considering what happened to him, supposedly. 2. That person claimed to have had 25,000 bitcoins stolen, the first theft of it's kind, and an amount highly unusual and suspect for anyone to have and keep unprotected, if we are to believe it. 3. 25,000 bitcoins were transferred from one account to another. 4. That person spent all their time afterwards on this forum extolling his losses and stupidity and thoughtlessness and crying about the flaws of security and the virtues of central banks. That's all I know for sure. Everything else is suspect. don't forget the fact that he had 3.90 btc hacked from his acct 12h before the 25K btc.  |
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I do not see how this is applicable to the hardcore bitcoin people. They are in this because they reject the mainstream media's and the government's (same thing btw) propaganda and brainwashing, not in order to earn a quick buck.
this is precisely why allinvains claims are suspect. i would consider him one of these ppl given how long ago he signed up and began mining. but heres the thing that you're missing from those types of hardcore bitcoin peoples profile: a propensity for security. not only of their identity but of their btc. there's the rub. |
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Ok, the new ones are crypt MD5 salted hashes. But 2 months ago they were all plain MD5 unsalted. Let me try to go more descriptive here, to see if you understand my line of deduction: Notice there the evolution in the prices 2 months ago:  My theory goes around that by such time MtGox's db was already compromised. At this point the hacker would start to get pwds and entering some accounts to check its users' activity. Allowing him to sort some dormant accounts with credit. Those with BTC on it were probably just wiped out, those with USD the hacker used it to buy BTC (bringing the price up this way) and later cashed out the BTC resulting from those trades. Some of those users started to complaint to M'Tux who decided to implement his crypt(pass,salt) function. Up to this point, and up to yesterday M'Tux was most likely believing it was about users' giving away their passwords not his site fault. Lately the thief tripped some wires or the legit owners checked their accounts making a load of requests to MtGox who came forward and put that thread on the forum. Seeing this, the robber decides to go on his final blow... and here we are. the $1000 limit withdrawal applied to BTC so why would they convert USD to BTC only to be limited from cashing out? your theory is crazy. stealing either USD or BTC from mtgox would have resulted in a FALL in the price of BTC as liquidity was being stolen out of mtgox, not the other way around. |
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how many times have we seen the NYSE reverse trades and in only one direction; back up after a flash crash. they've been guilty of doing it so many times in the last several years. "fat finger" trades they call them. only when its in favor of Wall St traders!
banning short selling esp. of financials comes to mind as well as a slew of financial rule changes when things weren't going the way of Wall St.
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i have a question:
when in Ubuntu live cd after having opened up bitcoin client and clicked in a few new addresses; why not download entire block chain and send coins to one of those addresses and wait for confirmation to verify that everything is working with the new wallet before saving the wallet.dat file to the usb stick?
i worry about a bunch of unclaimed coins sitting on the block chain which i might not claim for 10 yrs or so.
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In case anyone here is interested in an all-in-one solution (this request came up frequently in the newbie discussion), I created a poll to see if there is any interest in having something like a simple, grandma-friendly tutorial and a prepackaged operating system, which would come in the form of a bitcoin-only USB-stick that allows safe transfers without the need of any technical affinity. Head over there if you want to express your opinion about this: Poll for an easy security HOWTO (+ operating system)i need clarification. while in Ubuntu live cd, should we download the entire block chain in the client and then send btc from another wallet to the receiving address, and then wait for confirmation before closing the client and then copying wallet.dat to a usb stick? or do u advocate just closing the client after obtaining the receiving address and then copying it to a usb stick before getting confirmation of the transfer of btc to the new receiving address? the former would just give more confidence that what ur doing is gonna work over the long term since you won't be able to view any balances from here on forward w/o compromising security. |
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Everyone's bitcoins are safe on the site. We still are holding all the coins safely in reserve. The vast majority of the coins are stored offline so they are impossible to compromise.
if this is what they say about whats happening, i guarantee its the truth.
i've dealt with these guys extensively in the past several months and they've delivered on everything they've promised. be calm, everything's under control.
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is there a way to "search" this csv list for my username instead of scrolling 60K names?
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If they cant get the passwords because they're hashed, then... ummm, how did they do it?
What do you think Bitcoin miners are doing? Cracking hashes. What do you think the passwords are protected with? Hashes. So it's easy to crack hashes passwords, takes a few minutes per password, as long as it takes to crack a new Bitcoin block (about 10 minutes) is how long it takes to crack a hashed password. thats bullshit you ass. miners are bruteforcing to attempt to come up with a number below the target hash. hashes are unbreakable and cannot be reconstructed back into the original password. |
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the hacker tried to withdraw BTC's, not USD's!
from the announcement, he sold the large amt of BTC in the large hacked acct down to $.01. at this point he could have tried to cash everything out in USD's.
what does he do instead? he buys as many BTC's back in USD's as he can driving the price back up to $13 and tries to steal the BTC's but was stopped by the USD equivalent of $1000 per day.
LOL, we have a Bright Future, i would say!
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can u tell me the pathway to the wallet.dat in Ubuntu?
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Whether or not the $500,000 theft is real we must assume that the government will use all tricks to stop Bitcoins from becoming established.
Making Bitcoons outright illegal is probably only the last thing they would resort to.
Before that they will certainly be spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to no small degree.
The way I see to counter that is to make sure we have a well running system and spread the truth about Bitcoins.
Also, to stay calm during wild market swings (I wouldn't be surprised if some goverment agents just buy and sell Bitcoins to make it more volatile).
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I'm familiar with all your examples, I'm just not sure what point you're trying to make, or how your examples may support that point. And I don't wonder why people are suspicious, I just wonder why they see images of human bondage and new world order superimposed over what appears to me to be old-fashioned greed.
the pt is you should be astounded by what lengths these ppl have gone to lie, cheat and misrepresent the truth to their own ends. my jaw hits the floor weekly now when i read about the bankster exploits. i wouldn't be surprised if someone has paid off allinvain to create FUD. this would be a quaint example compared to what i listed above. why should this community be immune to these manipulations esp. when it would be the banksters only possible strategy if btc is as secure as we all seem to think here? |
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don't u realize the USD is the worlds reserve currency and all other currencies are pyramided and leveraged off of it. not being in the US will make your economic downturn far greater when it comes. just who do you think bailed out all you guys in 2008? the US Fed and its taxpayers and this is well documented and a fact from there release of info forced upon them. by being suspicious and non trusting of what the Fed was saying at the time allowed short sellers like me to capitalize and protect myself from that first round of financial disaster.
economic implosions usually start from the periphery countries first and spread back to the US which is why the Fed bailed out most foreign banks to the tune of 700 billion USD.
I'm not arguing that my country (New Zealand) is immune to downturn. I do argue that in the face of the sort of worldwide catastrophic financial meltdown that people on here like to prophesy, I'd feel much more comfortable being in my own country with it's emphasis on self-reliance, large non-subsidized agricultural base, and small population than in the gutted industrial wreck that is the US. After all, the sort of currency devaluation you predict is in essence the end of US-centered finance, so it's hard to see how the US would end up a relative winner. In any case: 1) You resort to too much hand-waving in your arguments. Yea, I get that bad things are afoot, but that's about as specific as you get about what's coming down the pipeline. 2) I rarely take advice from people who write "u" instead of "you," or confuse "there" with "their." Not fair, perhaps, but a good rule-of-thumb. by ignoring what these banksters are doing and looking for absolute "proof" to conspiracy theories, you place yourself at a severe disadvantage. the banksters will always tell you 2+2=6, not 4. I'm not looking for absolute proof. I'm looking for any, or just an argument free of hyperbole in lieu of that. But I'll make sure and look for "banksters" under my bed tonight, I'm sure they're more interested in fiddling with my little life than in enjoying their own fabulous life of wealth and privilege.
don't u realize the USD is the worlds reserve currency and all other currencies are pyramided and leveraged off of it. not being in the US will make your economic downturn far greater when it comes. just who do you think bailed out all you guys in 2008? the US Fed and its taxpayers and this is well documented and a fact from there release of info forced upon them. by being suspicious and non trusting of what the Fed was saying at the time allowed short sellers like me to capitalize and protect myself from that first round of financial disaster.
economic implosions usually start from the periphery countries first and spread back to the US which is why the Fed bailed out most foreign banks to the tune of 700 billion USD.
I'm not arguing that my country (New Zealand) is immune to downturn. I do argue that in the face of the sort of worldwide catastrophic financial meltdown that people on here like to prophesy, I'd feel much more comfortable being in my own country with it's emphasis on self-reliance, large non-subsidized agricultural base, and small population than in the gutted industrial wreck that is the US. After all, the sort of currency devaluation you predict is in essence the end of US-centered finance, so it's hard to see how the US would end up a relative winner. In any case: 1) You resort to too much hand-waving in your arguments. Yea, I get that bad things are afoot, but that's about as specific as you get about what's coming down the pipeline. 2) I rarely take advice from people who write "u" instead of "you," or confuse "there" with "their." Not fair, perhaps, but a good rule-of-thumb. by ignoring what these banksters are doing and looking for absolute "proof" to conspiracy theories, you place yourself at a severe disadvantage. the banksters will always tell you 2+2=6, not 4. I'm not looking for absolute proof. I'm looking for any, or just an argument free of hyperbole in lieu of that. But I'll make sure and look for "banksters" under my bed tonight, I'm sure they're more interested in fiddling with my little life than in enjoying their own fabulous life of wealth and privilege. have u paid attention to whats been happening the last 4 yrs? lets see if i can provide some facts and examples of outright deception and lying coming from the Fed/banksters: 1. Hank Paulson continued to say "we want a strong dollar" while he and Bernanke printed up 700 billion USD to hand out to the banks. 2. the banks said they needed that money to keep credit and loans to small business going to prevent an implosion in the economy. well, the economy imploded anyway and the banks did not increase lending. evidence of this fact is the explosion in bank reserves to prevent their own implosion. i can provide graphs if u want. 3. Dick Fuld of Lehman Brothers insisted up to the day they went under that their financial situation was under control. do did the head of Bear Stearns, Merrill, Countrywide. 4. Angelo Mozillo was selling 50,000 shares of stock weekly for an entire year before its implosion all the while saying he was just doing the prudent thing and the company was fine. 5. Bernie Madoff stole millions from clients in a classic ponzi scheme. 6. Benanke refused to reveal Fed bailout data until forced to by a Congressional demand. we now find out that billions were given away to foreign banks, like the Bank of Libya as well as small strip malls in Oklahoma. 7. the Fed is privately owned by banks like JPM, GS, Deutche Bank, UBS, Credit Suisse, etc. Who does Bernanke answer to? 8. the Fed controls our money supply; who do they give their bailout money to? 9. Bush, Bernanke, Paulson never revealed to us how much trouble we were in and in retrospect they tell us we were 10 min from financial destruction. i'm tired now but i could go on and on with examples of lying and deception. and u wonder why people are suspicious. |
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I think it would be more effective for the CIA to kill a high ranking member and overtake all their accounts & who's to say it hasn't been done already? Vladimir didn't post at all on June 15th! That's plenty of time to torture the true crypt password out of him and and take over his forum account. Now it's just a matter of time before his account joins allinvain on the bitcoin banker team.
very funny Vladimir. but theres a distinct difference from making conspiracies up out of thin air versus putting clues together from statements, time links, language patterns, context, motivations, history, and economic incentives. if diligent, one can "see" whats going on behind the curtain. |
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Of course, you don't need to know about nothing, you just have to pay when the U$ 14.000.000.000.000,00 of debt that US own to the Federal Reserve's bankers needs to be paid.
Actually I don't, as I'm not a US citizen - my country has its house more or less in order, thanks. In any case, it's in no one's interest if the US defaults on its debts, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make - especially as I was talking about bitrebel's tenuous grasp on reality rather than economics in the proper sense. you severely betray you're lack of understanding of economics i'm afraid. don't u realize the USD is the worlds reserve currency and all other currencies are pyramided and leveraged off of it? not being in the US will make your economic downturn far greater when it comes. just who do you think bailed out all you guys in 2008? the US Fed and its taxpayers and this is well documented and a fact from there release of info forced upon them. by being suspicious and non trusting of what the Fed was saying at the time allowed short sellers like me to capitalize and protect myself from that first round of financial disaster. economic implosions usually start from the periphery countries first and spread back to the US which is why the Fed bailed out most foreign banks to the tune of 700 billion USD. look at Europe and the Middle East. its starting all over again b/c it never finished in 2008, only postponed. by ignoring what these banksters are doing and looking for absolute "proof" to conspiracy theories, you place yourself at a severe disadvantage. the banksters will always tell you 2+2=6, not 4. |
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before the completion of 100 transactions.
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this thread should resonate with you: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15052i too use VMWare Fusion Win7 guest on a Macbook pro host. i may have more questions than answers for you but this is what i do: i have my multiple copies of wallet.dat files on several encrypted Ironkeys spread around geographically. i use Win7 with the client installed to keep block chain updated for speed. when i want to update my wallet, i plop the file into the app folder for a short time to update and then immediately move it back to Ironkey. then i use Eraser to wipe/delete the file in Win7. i don't browse or email in the VM. i try to minimize programs i use within the VM. questions for u: 1. how do i password access to VMWare Fusion? looked around but don't see that option. 2. for the Bitcoin client internet connection i use NAT as i believe this is the most secure vs. bridged or host. is this true? 3. is it true if a trojan, virus, or malware gets onto my host Mac side that it would most likely NOT find its way into the VM? 4. i also disabled the Share Folder option to close off a perceived portal. reasonable? |
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i find it interesting that allinvain only posted once to this thread early on but has disappeared since. if my reputation was being attacked like this unfairly, i'd be fighting back every other post.
I don't have time to deal with your bullshit. If I had to respond to every idiotic comment some people leave on this forum regarding what happened to me I'd be here 24/7. This will be my last post on this thread. how about one more post? why didn't u shut ur computer down after finding out 3.90 BTC had been hacked from ur rig 12h before the 25K btc hack and why would u leave that amt of btc sitting wide open to the net? |
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