I think the OP has a valid point. Anything requiring a third party goes against bitcoin's philosophy.
I don't think so, but for mainstream acceptance a little help from businesses is going to be needed. With anything that becomes popular capitalists will try to capitalise from it. People can chose not to pay with third-party merchants and just use straight transfer. You also have a valid point. But on the other hand, having third part processors negates some advantages Bitcoins have, such as no chargeback... True, but the payment processors would probably insure against this if it happened. I also don't think double-spending is such a big issue, as long as you get one confirmation you should be able to accept that it's a done deal.
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Wikipedia was probably a CFR/NSA/CIA front from the very beginning.
The whole premise of the site is to mix factual trivia with the many 'Big Lies' in falsified history, including major government black ops like the fake 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Norway, Boston marathon and Sandy Hook terror or serial shooting attacks.
Wikipedia is clearly aligned with the global fascist government drive. It appeared out of nowhere with massive bandwidth and server resources, with no adequate explanation of how it secured these. It continues to report fully debunked and discredited falsified events as real, to aid the UN plans for gun control, free trade open borders, international socialism on steroids, the attack on Christianity, attack on the family etc.
I understand that only reference links from the likes of the BBC, Reuters, AP and CNN are permissable on Wikipedia now. In other words, Wikipedia is nothing more than an echo chamber for the SIX companies that control the global media. Most of the editors are university professors, doctors, economists, civil servants, teachers etc. who are Fabian socialists. The site is a complete joke.
Personally I reckon it's time for a true anarchist/libertarian version of Wikipedia.
![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabinabecker.com%2Fmedia%2Falex-jones-hotdog.jpg&t=663&c=R51y8bNWfpYkuQ) How do you know Bitcoin isn't a CFR/NSA/CIA front? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.dangerousminds.net%2Fuploads%2Fafiles%2FjonesALEXjdjdjd9.jpg&t=663&c=E8lSv-O24FrqHA)
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I think the OP has a valid point. Anything requiring a third party goes against bitcoin's philosophy.
I don't think so, but for mainstream acceptance a little help from businesses is going to be needed. With anything that becomes popular capitalists will try to capitalise from it. People can chose not to pay with third-party merchants and just use straight transfer.
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You need to understand bitcoin to make assumptions like that. Waiting time is an agreement between buyer and seller. The transactions is acutally seen on the network within seconds, so for a pint of milk, retailers could simply wait until the transaction is "seen" and take the risk that the transaction is undone. For buying a car or a house, yes you might have to wait 10-30 minutes, or even the full hour. As each block is generated the likelihood of the transaction becoming undone get exponentially lower, esp with the huge hashing power of the bitcoin network.
This. Merchants will also probably use a payment processor service which will insure against bounced payments and such. Does it stand any chance as a night2night currency? Perhaps in the grey market on thedark web that's only roamed in the odd hours?
![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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I don't agree that accounts should be openly allowed to be sold, nor do I agree with the logic that we can't stop it so just let it be. You can't stop it, but you can police it and make it more difficult. I made my points in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=367586.0An account is a commodity like any other. Why should it be treated differently?
Should we treat your identity/passport/social security number as a commodity to be bought and sold to the highest bidder too? IMO, account selling is somewhat analogous to selling a business.
Not if you're selling it to the mafia as a front to commit crimes and fraud. Obviously there's two sides to this argument, but allowing it seems like you're not only condoning it but encouraging it. My 0.02 BTC.
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What is a Brish man ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) ? +1^ Guessing British man? haha
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I was thinking about offering a similar service based in italy ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) , i think we would not overlap our markets because our food is pretty different. Could you plese give me an hint on where i can find the regulation regarding international shipping of food? And about your earnings, are you already running an activity or you're going to consider a btc--->item exchange as barthering things between privates? If you want i should be glad to barter some of your porky-things with some italian food ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . Also, if you want to resell it (i'm probably not going to set up a business by myself because of the lack of time) i can bulk-ship food from italy I'll send you some "proper" pizza haha. Each country had different rules on shipping food. Australia is really strict on what you can ship or bring in for example. In America Kinder Eggs are not allowed because they didn't pass food safety laws or something. It's best to check on a case-by-case basis, but most countries are fine with most food.
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Hey guys, i just minted some metaphysical bitcoins, i will meditate them into your brain or whatever for no cover cost, let me know
Can we get them delivered to alternative universes?
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These people are trying to get many alternate cryptos by making multiple accounts and posting different addresses. They appear legitimate with there many posts, each of which consists of almost entirely posting for giveaways. Some of them are trying to get paid for their signature space ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) . Case study: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=367744.0I think there are worse and more nefarious uses of alt/sock puppet accounts, to be honest. I suggest you just state in your terms that it's only one per person and you must be a regular contributor to the forums, and that you will not pay out to anybody who you suspect has multiple accounts, but obviously this is difficult to prove.
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Yeah, sorry. You can not upload pics anymore. Host it on imgur, then point it there.
Do you mean you could have profile pic that is previously hosted on imgur?! I tried but it did not work at all ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) No, that's currently disabled too.
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So , I should start carrying paper wallets in my wallet ? Because right now , if I'm out of cash , I have my cc , if that fails I have my id and can withdraw from a bank (if it's still open). If my phone battery is dead , how I'm going to pay with bitcoins?
We need to start thinking of the infrastructure before tearing the old building down.
We're a long way off yet, but there are many solutions and different ways to spend Bitcoins, and I'm sure they'll be many more created.
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Are pork scratchings not available in the US, or is it just the Mr Porky ones that aren't?
They probably are, but its like comparing a microwave pizza from frozen to a fresh pizza made with a stone oven in Italy. It's really down to personal preference, but pork scratchings in the UK are so tasty! I dunno, they all kinda look and taste the same to me. And pizzas in Italy are shit. Biggest disappointment of my life haha. All down to personal preference, everyone likes different things, it's what makes the world so diverse ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) That is true, but me and my friend consider ourselves Pizza connoisseurs and were so excited to try genuine Italy Pizza, but both were severely dissapoint ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . In the wise words of my father when I was receiving my last ever school grades... "Expect the worst, hope for the best, and you'll never be disappointed." I usually follow that mantra myself, but I guess the hunger for pizza got the better of me ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) .
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English is a notoriously difficulty language to learn. I don't begrudge anyone for not having perfect grammar. English and Americans are generally lazy when it comes to learning another language anyway, so I find it rich when they criticise others when they themselves cannot use the language properly, nor can they speak another language other than their own. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever met somebody with perfect English grammar, and of course that includes myself and, ironically, most so-called grammar nazis.
How would you know if English is your native language (is it?)? I don't think it difficult (English grammar at least), neither do I find myself specifically capable at learning foreign languages (now it is a matter of vocabulary for me)... I won't point out all the grammatical errors in the above statement ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) . There are many ways in which English is difficult to grasp. Obviously there's no test to rate languages on a scale of difficulty, but I've found the majority of people who speak English as a second language have told me how difficult they find it, and I often read about how hard it is to master the grammar, but obviously some people pick languages/grammar up quickly than others. Maybe try find a multi-lingual person and ask them haha.
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Well, I prefer the term Libertarian Socialist for a number of reasons. I'm not afraid of being labelled as an Anarchist, I'd just rather not fall victim to peoples' ignorance on the subject and because Socialism fits my specific beliefs better. It's easier to tell people with a fresh mind what Libertarian Socialism is rather than try convince them what Anarchism is not. Also, Anarchism is a broader more general term and has a bigger scope as well. It's like calling a dog a canine. Yes, a dog is a canine, but so are wolves and foxes, but they are all different.
You have a fair point my friend and I salute you! I distrust any label anyway, for they lead to dogma and I prefer to deal in catma instead ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Also I would like to point out to the OP, that in his thought experiment there remains the need for some sort of organization or authority to execute this plan. We're talking about one single entity controlling all the monetary wealth of the world (for some period of time). Good luck populating it with people of good will, who will resist the corrupting influence such a position of power brings with itself ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) No, there would be no need for it to be centralized for the same reason that there is no reason to centralize Bitcoin. As long as the DNA readers couldn't be hacked or messed with to cheat the system there would be no need for there to be any central authority. Just like Bitcoin a program is created and released. A user connects to the internet with a DNA reader connected to his computer, the reader uploads his unique DNA signature to the Blockchain, a digital wallet is created with 1000 DNAcoins and the user is shown the password to their wallet. The DNA uploading and transactions are processed by mining. Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this DNA databank idea ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . I think if bitcoin does become truly mainstream, some sort of fingerprint scanner app would be a good idea before you can send/spend coins. Yeah it's pretty Orwellian hehe. The upside is that there would be no need to connect each DNA signature to a name; so even if the police found your DNA at a crime scene they wouldn't be able to connect it to a real person, they might be able to get some Metadata such as 'he downloaded his coins on such and such a date' but not much else. If anything else could be used as reliably as DNA to identify a person and record their participation it would be fine, so maybe finger prints or a retina scan could work. DNA is kind of cool though because it's a code and computers are good at processing codes ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) The trouble with any kind of database is it's valuable to the powers that be, so they'll try to get their dirty little hands on the data, whether illegally or legally. Just look at the back-door access the US gov have on social networks already.
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This is why I'm a libertarian: these horror stories will only stop once people take responsibility for their actions. A part of this responsibility is not allowing other men to commit immoral atrocities in your name. We're all responsible for these deaths.
I'm not responsible. The government has nothing to do with me. They are a racket that steals my money at gunpoint, nothing more. If a thug steals my money on the street and buys some bullets with it and shoots someone with them I am not responsible. If I cheered the thug on or made excuses for the murder that would make me pretty immoral which is why I don't defend the government at all. I think it could be argued that we, as US citizens, ARE responsible (to a much lesser degree -- I don't think anyone would equate a US citizen to the US government) unless we're actively resisting. But I definitely would say it's an "argument," not some self-evident truth. You know - I think of it in a comparison between the actions of what happened on flight 95 vs flights 11, 175, and 77. On 95, passengers actively resisted and minimized casualties. This was not successfully done on any of the other flights. I don't think anyone would argue they shouldn't have resisted and crashed the plane into a field, and I think the question's really whether or not everyone has that moral obligation to resist (and resist how much?). If we're paying taxes and not actively opposing laws which allow these kinds of things to happen, then to some degree, whether it's at gunpoint or not, I think we are responsible. We know where our tax money's going. We know these kinds of tragedies happen fairly frequently. We contributed to these fifteen murders in Yemen. I don't think we can completely wash our hands of it. At best, we failed in resistance, and at worst, we didn't actively oppose it. This. Every bomb and bullet that is fired by a soldier is paid for with your taxes. This should outrage any half-decent human being. Why don't they cut their defence budget in half and use the money saved to pay off some of their debt or dish out free healthcare or free education? Unfortunately America and the UK was taken hold of by corporate interests long ago, so this isn't likely unless you can get somebody into power who is willing to stand up against corporate tyranny, but of course, elections and politicians are easily bought and paid for so it's incredibly difficult. It always annoys me when Americans and my fellow Brits think criticism of their governments is an attack on them personally, or that they are not responsible for them and are completely apathetic towards change or protest. The only people who seemingly aren't bothered by what their countries' leaders do are usually racists and ignorant blind patriots. I think it was Einstein who said 'Nationalism is the measles of mankind'. As Lowkey says, "I'm not anti-America, America is anti-me": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4OI0GUCI_Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB-vYuYhdSE
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married, with children ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) lol it's amazing how one word or just punctuation can make all the difference. 'Cum on children' vs 'Come on, children' ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) .
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I'm gonna keep them. Even if they go down in value any extra sale is presumably generated by a customer I would not had otherwise (Bitcoin customer). If not, just quote some average price, for example from preev. I'd like to quote a price which makes the customer confident she/he's getting a good deal. So far Mt.Gox seems the best for the buyer (and worst for us, but this is fine). Also, I'd like the customer to see this before, not waiting for my quote. This is the reason why I can't quote the Bitstamps price: the customer wants to see Euros and won't see them there. And I'd like to spare him the effort to make the USD/EURO calculation in his mind. P.S. We don't sell goods and don't pay for what we sell so we can afford to lose the whole transaction (would not like to, but are not damaged by it). So this is actually an interesting scenario where BTC adoption could spread as the risk is really low, even in case of crashes. Preev is your best bet. Its an average of several markets and you can choose between USD, GBP EURO etc. Price data is continually gathered from multiple markets, and averaged according to the trade volume at each market. You can, if you prefer, choose a specific source from the settings menu.
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I'm just curious what you charged him to take a picture of yourself with a message that probably took two minutes of your time.
This ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) It's not like there's anything particularly interesting about the subject of the photo anyway, why is anyone paying or being expected by Speaker to pay for this service? Because they're men and are easily exploitable. Why do some men pay women to kick them in the balls and take all their money? Because they're dirty little perverts haha.
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