145/300 coins of Satoshi Nakamoto batch are sold out!
Thank you all for your purchases!
A new difficulty in 3 days, what's interesting has happened this week that we can put on coins?
"Changes to Exchanges" ! |
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How about Neo as Security exchange?  (in addition to other ventures) Like your thought process, there.  |
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Oh boy... I dont want to see how labcoin is going to handle this kind a mess with their PR skills -_-
They are now off the hook, with even less obligation to 'investors' interests. |
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"Even with 20TH or 50TH they won't be able to pay dividents as high as IPO." ?
I dont get that.. So the dividend per share should be IPO price? If that happens..
I mean with difficulty change taken into account, the cumulated dividents won't reach a value for IPO investors to break even. you do know that the IPO was to fund the development and production of new chips, right? Not related to the current production, which was prefunded? Yes i know that. But many hope for nice returns in the short term and that's unrealistic. I just wanted to point out, that this is a longterm investment, which won't gain investors any profits before Q1-Q2 2014 at best. Many here seem to think, that now that they are mining they will rake in the money, but for that to happen there is much work to be done and much time needed. Im calculating a weekly return of ~ 1%, based on 10TH/re-investment of 25%/divided into 10,000,000 shares. Please put me right on those base figures if they are wrong. |
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While there is a very obvious and real lack of confidence in Ken's abilities, I think theres only one question that we all need to understand......
Ken..... is anyone else, other than you, ever going to make decisions for this company?
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Someone bought them before I could get the coins in there. I would have loved to lowered my cost basis.
How many do you want, and at what price? I wanted those 100 shares at .11872902 Is 0.15 too high? [tomorrows dividends should be close to 0.0019] Im getting ~0.00198 per share also, based on 3days@ 3.75TH + 4days@ 4.60TH, and divided into 50,000 shares. Bought @ 0.15 = 1.32% weekly return Its not bad, but im not personally excited by it yet. Incidentally, whoever got that 0.118 fill, will return 1.67% |
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ActM needs a steady stream of information release, especially for a startup. Waiting a month between updates has basically killed-off interest. There has to be something you can update everyone with.
To be more specific, it would really help if a narrative of the path that ActM is on, and importantly, where and at what stage ActM is at currently, on that path. This story has to reach non-techy as well as savvy interest alike, for that share price to go in the right direction. More picture progress, is what im saying. As Vigil says, interest is killed, without adequate and consistent engagement. |
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Anybody have a link/copy of Swede's slip-up about ".........start to hash", 9 days after they were supposedly hashing? I think he has deleted it.
You mean this one? Wow he signed the address that can prove nothing thats perfect, hold on let me open Bitcoin-QT I can do the exact same thing by creating new receiving address and signing it,
Of course anyone can create and sign an address, I do not expect this to do anything until the point that mining starts. However I figured it was best to have it done before mining starts just to 'have it done'. How is this security still at ~1.6x IPO? Much obliged runam0k.  |
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Anybody have a link/copy of Swede's slip-up about ".........start to hash", 9 days after they were supposedly hashing? I think he has deleted it.
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I honestly don't think any of these securities are worth jack at this point. Labcoin should be an object lesson in the risks.
I think that risk level awareness skill, needs to be radically re-calibrated if operators are able to perpetuate wholly dishonest statements of fact. Im not sure how a reasonably minded 'investor' is able to protect themselves when complete untruths is the information we have to hand, other than to accept its sad existence, or come to the conclusion that the bitcoin 'community' are a bunch of unattractive amateurs who make things up, as it suits. The later, is not my personal view, but how do you think this charade looks in the eyes of the newly interested? And of course, this plays nicely into the hands of interested authoritative bodies.  |
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Someone just added a 7 day put option as well, along with a 16 hour one. If they fail to hash in 7 days you could really make some money on that.
No, I don't think the price will drop to 0.00091 in 7 days. Even there's no mining income, as long as people still believe labcoin will bring 500TH (2-gen chips) by the end of this year, the share price will be still above 0.001, the IPO price. Actually, the failure of 1-gen chips itself will not completely kill this project, cause it at most halves the potential reward. The failure will kill this project only because it severely hurts the creditability of the Labcoin team. They may have no way to make the 1-gen chips work, but they can still rescue their credibility in the coming 7 days, by just be a man, stand up and explain everything happened. Idk how people can believe anything labcoin says when they put out a definitive statement like this:  and have it be completely untrue. It appears as though generation 1 has failed completely. What kind of message does it send out, when blatant lies regarding on-going operations can be so easily communicated. This paves the way for companies who cant cut it, to deceive and defraud, with just a paragraph of made up shit. This issue needs to overshadow all future decisions of every security, or this really is the wild-west where anything goes. |
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Voting Update
Here are the results of recent voting: | Ticker | Exchange | Result (Yes-No) | | COMINING | LTC-GLOBAL | Abstained 180-115 | | HOSTED-MINING | LTC-GLOBAL | Abstained 181-115 | | CIPHERMINE-PT | BTC-TC | Approved 293-4 | | CIPHERMINE.B1 | BTC-TC | Approved 150-48 | | TAT.NEOBEE | BTC-TC | Approved 387-48 | | ET-DIFF | BTC-TC | Abstain 137-88 |
John Bolton
John Galt Asset Management
Whats the logic/thought pattern of voting 'no' for a benign futures instrument? |
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Here we go! Don't be a bagholder! 22,000 share ask wall and 20,000 shares sold... someone must want cheap shares .  'cheap' shares, implies some sort of value. How much value does a wholly contrived succession of lies have, these days? |
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Remember when Labcoin blatantly lied about having 2 TH? So this has been addressed and found to be an honest mistake, yes?? |
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Thanks for the new thread. I see it as a very positive step in the right direction. Would it be an idea to encourage people to use the speculation thread once again to help keep this one free from clutter?
Just be quiet, or be moderated. |
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Surely an argument to suspend?
Someone mentioned earlier about whats being played out here, being a good example of a scammers guide. How can this charade be anything less!?
Never seen so much intelligence, insulted.
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Nobody can help me? With my question 2 posts ago.
Thanks
Either/or, are not particularly accurate or consistent in my experience. Better to read the trade tape/transaction record instead. |
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Im assuming 50,000 shares are currently issued (if its not higher, then hardly anyone went for the OTC share sales).
Calculated using known daily income of 1TH = 4.46btc per day.
So, 3.75 (average LR hashing rate) * 4.46 * 7 = 117.07btc per week.
So, 117.07 x .75 (reinvestment fund) / 50000 = 0.0023 div per share
Check your math on that. I still come out with about BTC0.0018 We have taken different routes for the same end. Im not familiar with your expression, so lets see. Your question about income comfortability is probably subjective, with wide bands of acceptable risk and expectation. I think the fundies will be happy 0.5% per week, while the casual players happy with 2% per week, while short time traders would be hoping that they can exploit opportunities above that. But as you say, sustainability would need to exist (for the first two examples, anyway). Trouble is, as we have just found out, its not easy when there's not a concise enough consensus of what value/price is, or perceived to be, while its a constantly moving market place.....as LR is going to demonstrate, i hope. |
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Looks like LRM is on track for ~BTC0.00179977 per bond this weekend. Call it BTC.0018
Speculative Bond price with Price:Dividend (P/D) of x120 => ~BTC0.216 bond price; x190 => ~BTC0.342
Using current P/D = 0.17/0.00116401 = x146 => ~BTC0.2628
Let's see how the prices/dividend ratio helps or not in speculating price this weekend. I'm not confident, but the outcome will be interesting.
The ratio could go still go down since it's already x146...maybe some kind of equilibrium will bring it closer to x120 or x100... or lower?
Any thoughts on what people think a weekly or annual return would attract the average person to hold or buy?
x100 = 1.00% per week = 52% annual (if sustained)
x120 = ~0.83% per week = ~43% annual ""
x146 = ~0.68% per week = ~36% annual ""
x190 = ~0.53% per week = ~27% annual ""
Most shares were bought at maybe 0.17 or 0.18 on average. So, those may want to hold onto bonds more tightly than those that bought at 0.20.
Im assuming 50,000 shares are currently issued (if its not higher, then hardly anyone went for the OTC share sales). Calculated using known daily income of 1TH = 4.46btc per day. So, 3.75 (average LR hashing rate) * 4.46 * 7 = 117.07btc per week. So, 117.07 x .75 (reinvestment fund) / 50000 = 0.0023 div per share Therefore, if bought @ 0.15 = 1.53% weekly return 0.16 = 1.43% weekly return 0.17 = 1.35% weekly return 0.18 = 1.27% weekly return All depends on what kind of interest you have, in how you relate and react to those figures (fund managers will like, short term investors will not like). mmmerlin was making a point about seemingly unobtainable ROI's of 7% last week. If you believe KNC will deliver within ~10 days as intimated by KNC yesterday, i trust people have researched the current price/ROI of SNQI + SNQII ??  |
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