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1961  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling as a profession: there's people who live out of gambling? on: December 23, 2019, 04:07:44 PM
So, if it's not a secret, can you tell how did you increase your betting balance by 1%?

Wasn't I doing exactly this recently?

I advised you to read my martingale thread here but you seem to have already read it or so you said. Anyway, I increased my balance by hitting an outlier like 24 losing streaks. I don't see them very often but that's the exact reason I see longer streaks even less often, the implication being that it is hard to kill me, especially when I use some of the profits thus earned to actively postpone that moment

Yes, of course I've read it. But if there are only words without numbers, it's hard to grasp, you know? What I was asking you in my yesterday's post, was, as long as you just had this experience, to describe it in more detail

These are not just words, these are actual statistics:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168782.msg52376236#msg52376236
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168782.msg52524317#msg52524317
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168782.msg52617625#msg52617625
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168782.msg52703467#msg52703467

Back then, I was running on a 37% win chance (now it's a little higher than that), and I started with the minimum bet ever possible with doges. And if I remember correctly, I set the increase on loss to something like 120% initially which allowed me to survive losses up to 33 losing streaks. Then, as my balance grew (I started with like 20 doges of free coins), I increased this parameter keeping the killing streak more or less the same. And as a matter of fact, the exact numbers had been disclosed in that thread (though, maybe, in a few posts scattered across the entire thread)

That's what you need to know to repeat my setup (if that is your goal)
1962  Economy / Economics / Re: Hi Excuse me Are currencies a "store of value on: December 23, 2019, 01:01:25 PM
But what I also found out during my research is that there are two conflicting theories in regards to what causes the demand for money. One of them, the Cambridge cash-balance theory, saying that "money's ability to store value is more important than its function as a medium of exchange". And another one, Fisher's theory, saying that "demand arises because money is needed for exchange"

Keep in mind that both of these theories had been developed with hard currencies in mind and circulation, i.e. paper money back in the day was redeemable for gold. With fiat money, the Cambridge cash-balance theory becomes obsolete, especially now when many people are living on credit (read, households have negative cash reserves)

I think it's interesting to note that currently the demand for Bitcoin is mostly formed by people's treating it as a "store of value"(although formally BTC isn't one). But I think in the future the demand for BTC will be formed by people's willingness to use it for exchange

Most people are here for the quick buck

It means that their primary incentive and driving force is speculation (otherwise known as "buy low, sell high"), and this is what gives Bitcoin (as well as other cryptocurrencies) its value through its speculative utility. If we could somehow make Bitcoin prices rock-solid, which would make it a real store of value (like gold), many so-called investors would quickly lose interest in this market. And that's basically the reason why prices cannot be stable for long

Thanks for the correction! It nudged me to do some research, and now I see that, formally, there is a difference between what's called a good investment asset and a store of value. A speculative asset, such as Bitcoin today, for instance, can't be called a store of value because it lacks stability

You're welcome!
1963  Economy / Economics / Re: BTC to GOLD on: December 23, 2019, 10:50:12 AM
As the poll question states, in your opinion, is it a good idea to buy (stack) gold?

Feel free to elaborate your answer.
what's wrong with gold? is there any news about gold will experience a drastic increase ?, whereas Bitcoin 2020 will do the halving, is it worth selling and replacing it with gold? I don't think it's not time yet, sir  Wink
Don't be expecting the price to rise during halving. There is a pretty much good chance that the price won't even be impacted at all. The price halving is only going to affect in the long run. Short run affect is going to be minimal. Everyone knows about this "event" that is going to take place, thus the expected outcome is also bound to change. Look at the prices when halving took place. The prices weren't affected much but we have seen the price dropping instead (2016)

Just before the 2016 halving the price crashed because people had been booking profits. But let's not forget the fact that prior to the crash Bitcoin had been rising for over half a year (since autumn 2015, to be exact). However, I agree with you, to a degree, that with each halving the law of diminishing returns starts to reveal itself stronger and stronger, so we shouldn't in fact expect the effect of the next halving to be mind-boggling

If the price is going to hit the new highs, it won't be because of the halving alone
1964  Economy / Economics / Re: Stock To Flow Model: Modeling Bitcoin's Value with Scarcity on: December 23, 2019, 09:46:08 AM
I read up to this point:

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Bitcoin has unforgeable costliness, because it costs a lot of electricity to produce new bitcoins

And it was enough for me to stop reading any further. It is utility that gives value to something, not its cost of production. No matter how much one bitcoin is worth in terms of production costs (electricity, time, effort, etc), if it loses its utility (right now mostly as a vehicle of speculation, and as a store of value, to a degree), its price will be zero, and no amount of scarceness will be able to fix it. In simple terms, when someone talks about scarcity without referencing utility at the same time, they are likely not very competent in economic matters

So value comes through utility, and scarcity adds a price tag to it

I think you misunderstood the “ unforgeable costliness”. This is not to set a minimum threshold for bitcoin valuation, like an “intrinsic value” as they used to be

That's how I got it

Anyway, introduction of new terms like this one is not a very bright idea overall, especially in the field with an already established and well-defined vocabulary as it only leads to confusion and misunderstanding. Regardless, the cost of mining a bitcoin, or as you put it, the cost to write a piece of information to the public ledger has nothing to do with its market value, let alone a store of value. Put differently, if you could render the information in the blockchain as immutable as it is now at no cost at all, Bitcoin would be as valuable, if not more, provided you kept it capped at the same 21M coin limit as of now
1965  Economy / Reputation / Re: List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign on: December 22, 2019, 07:25:44 PM
Didn't they stop it? I saw a post in reddit about them emailed they are stopping this useless the campaign.
Are you talking about the signature campaign here or the pay-per-post in cryptotalk? Both are still active from what I know. The only campaign that ended was the 1 BTC posting contest. Please look for that reddit post you read and put the link here so we can also read.

This https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinTalk/comments/edcegq/yobit_not_paying/

Why would they inform about the closure some random guy out there, and not the campaign manager here? Seems more like photoshop to me. But that doesn't take anything from their rather frivolous approach to paying the participants (and post counting, while we are at it)

Or we don't know something?
1966  Economy / Economics / Re: Stock To Flow Model: Modeling Bitcoin's Value with Scarcity on: December 22, 2019, 05:14:59 PM
I read up to this point:

Quote
Bitcoin has unforgeable costliness, because it costs a lot of electricity to produce new bitcoins

And it was enough for me to stop reading any further. It is utility that gives value to something, not its cost of production. No matter how much one bitcoin is worth in terms of production costs (electricity, time, effort, etc), if it loses its utility (right now mostly as a vehicle of speculation, and as a store of value, to a degree), its price will be zero, and no amount of scarceness will be able to fix it. In simple terms, when someone talks about scarcity without referencing utility at the same time, they are likely not very competent in economic matters

So value comes through utility, and scarcity adds a price tag to it
1967  Economy / Economics / Re: What if crypto vanishes? on: December 22, 2019, 04:35:20 PM
What will happen if crypto vanishes overnight or due to some or the other reason if crypto becomes inaccessible to public? I know this does not make sense as crypto will not vanish but still what if it happens? What about those huge chunk of investments made by whales and other investors?

Nothing out of the ordinary is going to happen

People lose money everyday. Money gets stolen and money gets gambled away, up to the last penny. The world doesn't stop. Besides, for whales and the vast majority of investors you mention cryptocurrency investments is not the last money anyway. All in all, we will see what we had already seen before in the dotcom era with billions lost. Actually, they were not lost, they just changed hands. The same will happen to "those huge chunk of investments"
1968  Economy / Services / Re: CryptoTalk.Org Signature Campaign [Yobit Panel] on: December 22, 2019, 04:11:43 PM
Is bot working? I've made 6 posts since morning (without this one), and nothing has been added today (as of yet):



Can anyone confirm?
1969  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Халвинг Лайткоинга, чего ожидать on: December 22, 2019, 02:11:58 PM
Получается чтобы лайт вырос в цене нам нужно чтобы на нем было падение объемов торгов, так? Но если так, то мы с июля по октябрь катились вниз как ценой, так и объемом торгов. Что то не сходится

Чтобы лайт вырос, нужно чтобы его активно покупали

А если его будут активно продавать, то как он может вырасти? Правильно, никак. Однако и в том и другом случае мы будет наблюдать рост объема торгов. И какой из этого следует вывод? А вывод простой. Цифра объема торгов сама по себе ничего не говорит про направление движения цены. В общем случае объем торгов показывает лишь активность участников рынка, поэтому нужно смотреть на разницу между совокупными объемами спроса и предложения, а не на их сумму
Так, а теперь давай посмотрим глубже и попытаемся понять кто его будет покупать через полгода после халвинга, глупцы или идиоты? Я допускаю покупку на локально дне на недельке, но глобально кому он он сейчас нужен?

Раз лайт покупают, значит, он кому-нибудь нужен

Но речь даже не о лайте в принципе. Я имею в виду, если исходить из такой предпосылки или целой парадигмы ("но глобально кому он сейчас нужен"), то тогда вообще никакая крипта не нужна. А как же спекуляции, поддержки там сопротивления, двойное проникновение, наконец? Если лайт никому не нужен, то логично было бы его зашортить в пол или вообще в дно, разве не так? Или дураков шортить лайт уже не осталось?
1970  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling as a profession: there's people who live out of gambling? on: December 22, 2019, 12:56:03 PM
So, if it's not a secret, can you tell how did you increase your betting balance by 1%?

Wasn't I doing exactly this recently?

I advised you to read my martingale thread here but you seem to have already read it or so you said. Anyway, I increased my balance by hitting an outlier like 24 losing streaks. I don't see them very often but that's the exact reason I see longer streaks even less often, the implication being that it is hard to kill me, especially when I use some of the profits thus earned to actively postpone that moment
1971  Economy / Economics / Re: Taxless society idea on: December 22, 2019, 10:26:48 AM
It's really impossible, just imagine the life we have if we don't have tax, do you think people can work without any compensation at all? Without tax, there is no government so it would be  hard if we will have a country which has no government at all, there will be no unity and no opportunity at all.

I don't believe that it is possible to eliminate tax 100%

It may be technically impossible for now

But from an economic point of view, taxes are not a thing unto itself (read, they are utilitarian), and something which can be implemented in different ways. Taxes are the payment that some or all members of society have to pay for public services which should be equally available to all members of this society (like roads, education, etc)

And it just happens that a government levies and collects these taxes (that's basically why these mandatory payments are called taxes in the first place). In other words, if we can remove the government from the equation without affecting the financial support for the public good, we won't need taxes as we currently perceive them
1972  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling as a profession: there's people who live out of gambling? on: December 22, 2019, 07:13:44 AM
Professional gamblers are often seen at casinos and famous gambling spots, but I am surprised that some of them are well-known business people and government officials, so the true definition of the gambling profession is not very clear because they clearly have a better source of income. Online gamblers who depend their lives financially are also not easily visible in the real world, except for a few colleagues who are seen discussing gambling activities with me as often as possible.
Those who are totally relying on gambling for their income do not feel like talking about it because this is something usually people take as a negative or bad habit. People take gamblers usually as lunatic or May be addicts. As far as rich people are concerned they are do gambling simply for entertainment and to kill their time. Even if they lose their money, this does not make them suffer from financial crisis

It is not only that

People who are "professionally" involved in gambling, even though this use of the term seems a bit oxymoronic to me (unless you are a casino's owner, of course), should be extremely superstitious up to a point where them telling someone about their gambling habits (or someone accidentally finding out) could be considered potentially ruinous to their luck. Whether it is really so or simply no one can be lucky all the time is open to discussion
Rich people in a physical casino bet with high amount to show their financial status of how much they can afford for these entertainment purpose but not all the rich people will do this.But someone who goes to an online gambling site and bet with huge bets has the intention of making more money alone.Even a single hit can give them better life which also comes with risk who may be considered as professionals

But they are not professional gamblers, or are they?

I mean they are rich through something else (probably by being born into wealth), while professional refers to what you do for a living. You may do nothing as you might have inherited a fortune but that still wouldn't count as professional gambling unless we consider "professionally" wasting money as one's profession. But in that case it would feel as highly ironic. If not, it would sound oxymoronic to me
1973  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Как вы пользуетесь стопами? on: December 22, 2019, 05:45:31 AM
Открываете, например, на Фениксе две короткие позиции - одну на продажу, а другую на покупку, и будет у вас виртуальная пара битка к битку. А дальше может ездить на волатильности туда-сюда. Другое дело, открывать такие позиции на одной и той же бирже не совсем комильфо, поскольку получаемый таким образом хедж используется не столько для торговли, сколько для снижения убытка при возможном дефолте биржи

Не совсем понимаю вас, постоянно около нуля плясать? Или я что-то не понимаю в вашей стратегии, можете поподробнее рассказать?
И как это у вас покупка стала короткой позицией?

Короткая позиция - это позиция, открытая на заемные средства

Купить в долг вы можете точно также, как и продать в долг. В этом случае у вас будет короткая позиция на покупку. Слово короткая в данном контексте относится к периоду, в течение которого предполагается держать позицию, т.е. какое-то незначительное время, что связано со срочностью кредита

Зачем вам нужно торговать биток против битка, вам лучше спросить у себя, ибо вопрос о такой возможности был задам вами. Но, тем не менее, я отвечу (хотя я уже ответил в своем посте) - это используется для хеджирования. Объяснять, что такое хеджирование я уже не буду
1974  Economy / Economics / Re: Hi Excuse me Are currencies a "store of value on: December 22, 2019, 05:34:06 AM
Bitcoin is another kind of currency which doesn't have a stagnant value unlike $1 it would always be $1 and with inflation that value goes down. With the character bitcoin has, you can check the history of it and assess if it's a good store of value. Before 1 bitcoin was equals to less than $1 but now 1 bitcoin is equals to more than that.
So, what do you think? with that simple comparison. Can you tell if bitcoin is a good store of value?

Yep, with the exception of two or three short periods of time, Bitcoin has been one of the best stores of value for the past 10 years. Few people realize that investing in Bitcoin was a much wiser decision than investing in Apple or Netflix 10 years ago. When saying "few people" I mean the world, not this forum, of course

What you are referring to here is correctly called an investment asset, not a store of value

Bitcoin has been able to grow like many thousand times but that only makes, or rather made it, an excellent investment choice provided you invested in it early (as its future is uncertain with respect to its price). But quite a few startups in different fields were able to gain as much or comparable. Does that make them a good store of value? I don't think so

It feels like a good investment doesn't necessarily make a good store of value, and the reverse seems to hold true as well. For example, gold is a goddamn good store of value proven in ages, but for the last 40 years or so it was a poor choice as an investment vehicle since it has been unable even to beat the US dollar inflation
1975  Economy / Services / Re: CryptoTalk.Org Signature Campaign [Yobit Panel] on: December 21, 2019, 12:55:10 PM
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That is why the number of your current posts was displayed when you first apply to this campaign (display on Yobit). It also explains why this campaign needs Yahoo62278 to check the quality of the posts of participants regularly. To be honest, I think this is just a bot to count the number of posts, not a quality bot

It is about how posts are counted, not how their quality is assessed

Automatic or otherwise, there are different ways to count posts. Experienced campaign managers count the number of posts which you actually make within the required period. They don't pay particular attention to total post counts before and after as these totals can change arbitrarily (and dramatically at that) even without your posts being deleted (this is a nasty bug in the forum software) up to a point where you can end up with fewer posts at the end of the period than at the beginning of it while still making enough posts
1976  Economy / Services / Re: >>> Pay $5 - 50 in BTC/ETH/PP now for answering 20 simple questions about crypto on: December 21, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
Count me in and see the forum topics created by me here
1977  Economy / Services / Re: CryptoTalk.Org Signature Campaign [Yobit Panel] on: December 21, 2019, 11:33:42 AM
I added the signature and seem to have successfully enrolled at the exchange with my post count set to its current value (minus this post). But I'd like to know what is going to happen when the post counts are updated at some point, and due to a bug in the forum engine the number of posts gets diminished as it happens now and then? Anyone seen that already?

Sorry if this has been asked before

Posts on Yobit dashboard are updated every 3-4 hours and are not counted from the total number of posts. If a post is credited by the Yobit bot, it will still count, even if later is deleted. I mean post deletion has no effect on the counting of posts by the Yobit bot

So far it doesn't look that way at all

Today I deleted my daily bump post here, which I had posted yesterday, and then made two new regular posts. After a couple of hours I see in the panel that I have only made one new post. So by the looks of it, the bot just counts the difference between the post count at the end of the previous day (read, it saves that number) and the current number. It doesn't really count your new posts

In essence, it means that if some of your posts get deleted, even if they were made years ago, or your post count gets adjusted by the forum engine and you end up with fewer posts after the adjustment, you will have to make up for the difference if you want your new posts counted (read, post until your count exceeds the stored value). So the question still remains open (as I might be missing something)
1978  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Как вы пользуетесь стопами? on: December 21, 2019, 10:00:44 AM
Поскольку он все больше и больше в последнее время превращается в токсичный актив. Самое разумное решение, на мой взгляд, это держать криптоактивы в личном кошельке (но это, в принципе, всегда так было), а торговать исключительно в короткую и держать убыточную позицию на бирже, захеджированную монетами в своем кошельке, а не на счете биржи. В этом случае крах биржи (например, Bitfinex) приведет не к вашему убытку, а к переносу этого убытка на биржу, что, как по мне, будет весьма справедливо

Жаль что BTC к BTC торговать нельзя, поэтому и приходится искать ему другую пару. Конечно же из нескольких зол не выбирают, но как я вижу в наше время это наилучшая пара для торговли с BTC из соотношения объемов и спредов. Риск есть, но как без него на крипто рынке

Вообще-то очень даже можно

Открываете, например, на Фениксе две короткие позиции - одну на продажу, а другую на покупку, и будет у вас виртуальная пара битка к битку. А дальше может ездить на волатильности туда-сюда. Другое дело, открывать такие позиции на одной и той же бирже не совсем комильфо, поскольку получаемый таким образом хедж используется не столько для торговли, сколько для снижения убытка при возможном дефолте биржи
1979  Economy / Economics / Re: Question about MarketCap and Cashing Out on: December 21, 2019, 09:07:45 AM
Is there a better metric than Market Cap or is this the only metric that is used to measure the actual value of BTC ?

Not to my knowledge, or at least not a commonly adopted standard. Anyone got any ideas?

Trading volumes are a by far better metric

Indeed, we don't know how much of the reported trading volume is real as in the first half of 2017 (and before that) most of Bitcoin trading volume was fake due to Chinese exchanges showing simply insane figures (like the total supply of bitcoins changing hands a few times a day)

However, if they are pretty close to real, which seems to be the case now, it is in fact a useful metric as it represents the real activity of traders and their interest in a particular coin (Bitcoin is still the preferred choice, though). And trading volumes is not the only pebble on the beach anyway (as there are many others)
1980  Economy / Economics / Re: Question about MarketCap and Cashing Out on: December 20, 2019, 08:22:56 AM
Would the market cap go down if i took out 95k out of the market cap?

Market cap is a mathematical abstraction

As you may know, it is simply a product of multiplication of the amount of coins mined so far by their market price. In this way, no matter how much money you take from the market, it is not going to affect the market cap unless your sell order is large enough to change the price. If this is not what you meant, then the market cap is very misleading as it doesn't tell us anything about real liquidity of the market since this is what actually counts

How would anyone know or how would the metrics figure out that 95k has been taken out in cash if i have just sent BTC to someone else?

If you are selling in the open market, that could affect the price (depending on how much you sell)
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