That's because you don't understand what it really is. If this thread was not about evolution, but had to do with some changes in nature, you might have a valid point. But with regard to evolution theory evolution... you seem to be having trouble even staying on topic. Nothing you say proves or shows proof of ETE. We don't know that ETE exists.

I think I know that you are way smarter than what you show. Since you are way smarter, your goal isn't to show the truth. Rather, it is to maintain the ETE story, and keep it strong as though it were fact, even though you know it is simply science fiction. What you are really showing is that you are a troll, and that...

Evolution is a hoax.

Yet you seem to barely consider what God is, at all! For example, imagine that you built a beautiful hous of cards. And you gave it over to your kids who could enjoy its beauty, etc. If they simply crashed it, wouldn't you be upset... and more if they called you name, and despised you rather than honoring youi?

Think of the great God, who went to the trouble of building this gigantic, complex, beautiful universe for us. And then went to all the trouble of building us so that we could recognize the beauty. You respect the cops with guns when they are in your neighborhood in force. And they don't put up with people who mouth off at them. Think of God, who is millions of times more sensitive to honor and name calling then cops are? And yet He puts up with many of us calling Him names and dishonoring Him.

The depictions in the Bible are depictions of what people are doing to other people all around the world right now. It disgusts God. But He knows that if He wants to find a few people to have a good relationship with, He is going to have to put up with a lot of abuse just to find them. The Bible is a record in that way. It isn't what God commands or desires.

If you can't simply take a look at the machine nature of the universe, and realize that machines have makers, you simply aren't looking hard enough.

Even if what you say is an absolute fact, there is still no evolution proof in the sense of evolving from species to species to populate the earth. You even admit it right in your statement that includes "cannot."

Again, all you do is show your deceptiveness by attempting to draw people away from the point.

Evolution is a hoax.

We have no proven example of species to species change. We have no proof of evolution. Evolution doesn't prove itself when we don't have any factual proof that it exists.


That's not species to species change. Nor is it development of a new species.


Chromosome number differences make this impossible in nature, although science might find a way to force it to work temporarily... sometime in the future when we learn a lot more. If stuff like this was easy, science would already have figure out how to allow people to live in tip-top health for 500 years or longer. Nature is built in certain ways that it can change according to its design, but that we can't change except where it has been designed to allow us to make changes.


Except that this is not known to be evolution. No proof that it is evolution and not some other process. Remember, we are talking about evolution theory evolution (ETE) but not simple change.


Consider the complexity of nature. Why can't a bunch of kinds of crossbreeding be built in, while other kinds of crossbreeding be not designed? If you are asking why a designer would do it one way and not the other, the answer might come to you when you have finally understood all the complexities of nature.



Lab stuff doesn't work except temporarily. Why? Because when you take away from perfection by dumbing things down in the lab, you build failure in. In addition, we have no proof of billions of years, or proof that evolution happened even if there is billions-of-years. Just saying it, or just calling creatures that have similarities and differences at the same time, examples of evolution, is not proof.

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Very simply speaking, species don't change into other species. Their changes are adaptation to climate or geographical conditions, however complex the changes might be. In humans, these adaptation changes might even be for emotional pleasure or joy.

However, two things need to be proven to make evolution having happened:
1. Species change to other species;
2. Random change, that eliminates cause and effect programming.

Even if there is a change in species, somehow, programming still makes it to be something other than what evolutionists understand it to be.

So far, evolution is a hoax, because we aren't really coming close to finding a species change or change without C&E... and we know it.

I don't recall asking for any example. Are you sure I asked? Or are you just being deceptive as usual?

On dear. Nature seems to make all kinds of complex life that reproduces wildly. We can't make even one life form from scratch, and since we can't, we certainly can't make reproduction. Nature seems to have figured out the rules. But we can't seem to even learn all the rules from nature's example. And you think nature isn't smarter than we are? You contradict yourself almost 100%.

Now you ask what I think evolution is, when I have been telling you over and over? Let me say it straight out: Evolution is an imaginary process that doesn't exist and can't exist in any way we can formulate that it might exist.

If you want to know what the Theory of Evolution is, you can Google it, but it will take a lot of study of many different sites, or a lot of reading through many different books, to figure out who and what is the authority for making the gobbledygook of all that evolution info, into what should be the accepted, standard for the Theory. Have fun.

Evolution is a hoax.

If evolution is possible, then why humans are still humans,  can't we be something in a more higher form of being? Take the case of the theory where we began as monkeys and turn into these.

I don't think you really know what adaption is. Adaption has to do with social changes, and how people, particularly children, learn to integrate changing customs/traditions into their social lives.

Adaptation has to do with natural selection, which nobody knows the underlying workings of... how cause and effect program change into something at a level and complexity we can't comprehend.

Scientists are kinda smart. But they seem to be unwilling to accept that, if evolution exists, the selections made by nature are infinitely smarter than they are. After all, we see nature making complex life and reproduction in ways we can only dream of, because we can't do it at all. This means that we don't really understand what natural selection is, but only that it exists and produces certain kinds of things/results.

Since we don't really know how natural selection works or what it is made up of, we can't really understand that there is any evolution for-a-fact.

Evolution is a hoax.

What they haven't proven - even if this is the absolute, straight-forward truth - is that the mutations involved have anything to do with evolution rather than adaptation. Adaptation exists all over the place. But evolution has not been proven, yet.

However, I thank you for showing us all that you agree that I am an authority on evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

English is a difficult language at times. It's strange that you would ask me, of all people, what some English means.

Let's start with, ''One of the important things ..." This has several parts, depending on where you focus your line of thought for the moment. Lets focus on "One" first.

One of the important things... means that this is only one of more than one. Next, lets focus on "important."

One of the important things ... means that, as the dictionary definition of the word "important" says - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/important?s=t - "1. of much or great significance or consequence." Simply click the dictionary link to check out other meanings for this word. Not that  "important" is modifying "things." Now let's check out the word "thing."

One of the important things ... means "1. a material object without life or consciousness; an inanimate object" - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/things?s=t. You can click the link to check out other aspects of this meaning. Now let's see if we can get a sense for the words "of the."

One of the important things ... shows the relationship of "One" to "important things." "Important things" is plural. "Of the" shows the relations ship of the word before "of the" (one) to the words "important things" (plural)... in this case the number of important things being talked about.

Since that number is only one, and since the "important things" is plural, that means that there must be other important things, right? So, we have "One of the important things ..." shown in the rest of the part of the wording you supplied us with, but didn't seem to understand, yourself.

With regard to the evolution story, some of the other important things are found in my writing directly above, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg44130813#msg44130813:
If you want to see the truth a little bit at least, you really need to slow down and absorb what is being said a little. You're a big enough boy that you can wipe your own nose. You don't always need a nursemaid to explain everything for you.

No proof for evolution as a fact.

Evolution is a hoax.

What? You are so silly. Now you want to base evolution on things that are said in this forum. How in the world more unreal can you get?

Where did you lose it? Was it in school? Were you so limited in your ability to think that the teacher made you wear a dunce cap in the corner, and now you don't care, because if you blab it, you totally think that it is correct?

You seem to be two-faced all in the same short post. You accept that I am saying a complete talk about evolution theory, you ignore parts of my post you don't like, you forget other parts of your own posts you have posted previously, etc.  Isn't it kinda time you sat in your rocking chair out on the porch with granny?

How in the world much are they paying you to spout all your self-contradictory nonsense with nothing to back it? The way you do it doesn't even make you a reasonable troll.

You forget that simply showing that these things exist isn't proving that they are evolution, especially evolution theory evolution. We haven't gotten deeply enough into the "programming" of the various forms of cause and effect using the various forms of physics that exist. The whole thing is very complex, and we simply don't know if we have discovered it all, so that we can make a correct judgement.

Why do I say this? Because everything in your link can fit a complex form of adaptation rather than evolution. And it can fit adaptation much easier and better. On top of that, C&E shows that it is programming rather than random anything, like random selection.

Evolution might be a fun story, but nobody has shown that it really exists. When you keep on saying that evolution is a reality after you have been clearly shown that you don't know, you are attempting to promote and further a hoax.

Evolution is a hoax.

It isn't what I need to find. It is what you need to show me.

For example. You say, above, "It is not going to happened, they are not available anymore, they are gone, dust." Let's examine that statement from the pile of dust standpoint. You have a pile of dust, say, rust dust. Then you say, this pile of rust dust used to be a Mercedes Benz. But how do you know? It might have been a Chev or a Ford or a simple I-beam, or anyone of dozens of things.

With regard to evolution, there has to be a way to show that the pile of dust was evolution and not adaptation. Of course you can't show this by looking at things that have turned to dust. That's the whole point. find something that you can use to factually show evolution. Since things of the past won't show it - as you said - why do people keep on using fossils of the past to suggest that evolution is happening, when the past suggests adaptation way better... or nothing at all?

Another example. In this thread the post at - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg43890150#msg43890150 - Moloch shows this picture:



The picture shows a bunch of similarities between creatures in their development. What the picture doesn't show is the DNA differences. The DNA differences are always there. That's why the creatures turn into completely different types and species. It doesn't have anything to do with proving evolution. In other words, if evolution exists, the picture doesn't prove it one way or another. So, why use it? Get to the point and show the proof for evolution.

All the things you talk about in your post aren't proof of evolution. The whole thing shows adaptation, simple change, and intelligent design way better than it shows evolution, evolution which can't even be found for-a-fact.

One of the important things that will need to be found to prove evolution is, two living creatures that are almost exactly the same, one of which has a mutation within it, to make it slightly better than the other one, and better than it was before. The mutation has to be in the DNA. It has to be very tiny - microscopic - because the odds are against big mutations, or multiple mutations, happening at once are too great.

This is the thing scientists have been looking for, for decades. They haven't found it. They might not recognize it if it stared them in the face. And proving that the mutation would be a beneficial one rather than a detrimental one, would be extremely difficult, because it probably wouldn't change the creature's life in any recognizable way.

The world is full of plants and animals. By now somebody should have found something that they can prove is evolution in process. Since they haven't, how in the world do we know for-a-fact that evolution even exists, since everything they have found so far fits adaptation and intelligent design better?

Evolution is a hoax. Evolution is a bunch of people making up a science fiction story about some things that they see in nature, but can't prove that their story is true.

I don’t understand what it is you need to find?

You want to find 1-10 specimens of a given kind, for every year, spanning a million years – 100 million years in the future. It is not going to happened, they are not available anymore, they are gone, dust.

Those specimens we have are at best 1000 of years apart, at worse millions. Lots happen in these timeframes. You are never going to find, offspring after offspring spanning 1000 of years, in order to see a finger turn into flipper, or reverse or something like that. Does not mean you can’t find two specimens 100.000 - 500.000 years apart, with some sort of evolution.

As I said earlier, prove to me that the average height of humans have increased 10-20cm in the span of 200 years. But do it in 100 million years’ time. You can’t. But it did happen. They are going to have a likewise discussion by then, like us, on just this subject.

Evolution is observable on the daily basic, on trillions of examples, including humans.

In 25k years they are going to argue about whether the Giza pyramids even existed.