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1981  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MINT]Mintcoin V1.8, Energy Saving Coin *27 Exchanges *47 Merchants on: April 25, 2014, 12:42:48 AM
Anyways, I don't feel like reading 700 pages worth of threads. What's the deal with Mint and BC, and now WC? Seriously.
To make it short (and possible not completely accurate):

1. IconicExpert was an MINT holder.
2. He became the BC CM. The more it went, the harsher he was against MINT, for no apparent reason (but he was not the only one).
3. The more BC grew in price, the more incontrollable he was (first exclamation marks, then bold, then caps, then huge caps, the red huge caps).
4. WC came in. First reaction was disdain.
5. Then BC started to fall down.
6. Now that the mirage of money (1 BC = 1 Lamborghini) started to disappear, the community started to regain some kind of critical thinking.
7. He was trapped in his role (and his complex of superiority)?
8. Then CINNI came in and rat4 (BC's original developper) helped CINNI. I would not be surprised if IconicExpert resents about rat4 being a "traitor".

Between 2 and 6, various MINT holders (me, gonzoucab, stormia, moderndezign) regularly posted on BC thread to enquire about some things, to try to tone down or to call for more courtesy.. and also to defend ourselves against BC trolls (some of them havng recently flip-floped, by the way). And today stormia hit the jackpot: IE boasted about manipulating MINT prices.

Correct me if I'm wrong in this summary.
1982  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: April 25, 2014, 12:27:49 AM
NEM initial fundraising is not an IPO. It is a "call for participation". You can leave if you want and you should leave if you don't trust the development team. I encourage you to do so if the latter case is true. Waiting lists are at the same situation since they are regular stakeholders. I can call on an escrow for the auction though.
Utopian, you know I appreciate what you've done, but this call for participation IS an IPO. IPO do not have to be scam and I believe that NEM was not a scam. Much like NXT IPO was not a scam either Smiley
1983  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MINT]Mintcoin V1.8, Energy Saving Coin *27 Exchanges *47 Merchants on: April 25, 2014, 12:13:44 AM
I never visited the BC boards before today. I don't often care about the coin war stuff, but when someone is dumb enough to publicly admit to extortion and price manipulation, it's worth reading about, particularly when that person's actions affects the price of my investment, directly or indirectly.

Luckily, with alt-coins being a physical commodity, and commodity markets being regulated, such actions may indeed be punishable legally in the mid to long term. While I wouldn't expect much to be done about it due to lack of regulatory precedent being set at the present time, it could fall under acceptable time limits for a lawsuit in the future when regulatory precedent is in place (people who can prove through admission and transaction ledgers that this person was extorting and manipulating price to lower investors value may be able to sue him).

While all of the above is unlikely, it is very likely such behavior will be spread about the forums and twitter quickly. I cannot imagine it positively affecting price for BC holders, which is too bad for them, because they obviously had nothing to do with that asshole's behavior. The Blackcoin community, if they do not want to be associated with such behavior, will have to basically shun/ostracize people who either behave that way, and or prop-up/support such behavior.

Shame comes slowly for those too ignorant and/or lacking in perspective to know they have done something to be ashamed about. I imagine his actions will not have long-term effects on MINTCOIN, but WILL have long-term effects on his own reputation and self-image.

It is REALLY silly for someone to "hate" one coin or the other because it has similar properties to a coin they own. It is even more ludicrous for someone to attach their ego to the success or failure of a coin. It is even MORE ridiculous for them to act like bankers and expect people to praise them for it in an ALTERNATE CURRENCY COMMUNITY.

At all times, empathy is a better tool than resentment. It is apparent that certain people do not have the ethical or moral principals in place to function civilly and without ugly behavior within the alt-coin community, and I will assume that this is due to past issues in life directly impairing their ability to function in what most people would consider to be civil and fair. I wish there was something the community could do or say to heal those wounds and bring balance back to the Blackcoin community, but that will be up to the community as a whole and those who have rocked the boat.

That being said, MINTCOIN continues to be a very attractive coin, and as adoption of alt-currencies widens, a community of members who DO NOT resort to destabilizing negative behavior and actions will reap the rewards of a positive reputation.

Good job MINTCOIN community for keeping it positive. My condolences to the Blackcoin holders who just wish the Negative Nelly's and criminally minded would just go away, but have to deal with them bringing their coin down anyway.
What a beautiful post, Walken. Thank you.
1984  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MINT]Mintcoin V1.8, Energy Saving Coin *27 Exchanges *47 Merchants on: April 25, 2014, 12:10:59 AM
Edit: Some of the other coin threads creep me out for real. I'm just gonna stick with Mint and our sane community.
You summed it up much better than I could. We have a sane community. Of course one part of this is that the price is low, but I expect the community will remain sane even when the price will rise.
1985  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MINT]Mintcoin V1.8, Energy Saving Coin *27 Exchanges *47 Merchants on: April 24, 2014, 11:07:20 PM
I am questionning Iconic's sanity. Did hunger for money made him that mad? Or the feeling of falling from his pedestal?
Even BC holders ridicule him
I for long thought Iconic was just a sincere albeit overzealous community manager (I assume good faith with people). Now I am considering some darker things. Consider this

There are MILLIONS of dollars at risk here, and I am not in the habit of losing money for fun.

If (I repeat IF) this is true, this mean we have truly dangerous people in front of us. I always considered Iconic was sincere just overzealous. Now my position is changing. I think this person has gone crazy because of money. I am seriously questionning either his sanity or his honesty.

See where hunger for money can lead. I don't like to use the word "mafia", but well...

Back on track: I believe Iconic will have a lot of work to do with BC going down, WC soon ending its PoW period and CINNI being at least partially created by the "traitor" rat4. This plus its scheme against MINT being seemingly exposed, Mint could go better in the future. I know some whales are interested in massively buying mint for long term. Plus, as stormia said:
and that it is impressive if this is where Mint stands after having been targeted by this type of market manipulation.
And
Overall, this is a good sign for Mint. It means that Mint is currently artificially underpriced!
1986  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 09:30:17 PM
I already saw people at voting-system just following the crowd ( such as; check where the majority is going to and follow the trend, because I know am not expert )

so I am not expert either and I'm not really sure the implications among options ... but as Albert Einstein quoted... If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
That's why I asked for explanations and got them on IRC. Go vote there #bitmonera @freenode.
1987  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 09:12:08 PM
We have added a poll in the freenode IRC room

"Poll #2: "Emission future of Monero, please vote!!" started by stickh3ad. Options: #1: "Keep emission like now"; #2: "Keep emission but change blocktime and final reward"; #3: "Keep emission but change blocktime"; #4: "Keep emission but change final reward"; #5: "Change emission"; #6: "Change emission and block time"; #7: "Change emission and block time and final reward"

To vote type
Code:
vote 2 #

Where # is what you vote for.

Right now everyone is voting for #4, including me.
Please summarise below the pros and cons of each solution.

Edit with the answers:
<tacotime> change emission: need to bitshift old values on the network or double values after a certain block.  controversial.  not sure if necessary.  can be difficult to implement.
<tacotime> keep emission: straightforward, we don't keep change emission or block time.
<tacotime> change final reward is simple.  if (blockSubsidy < finalSubsidy) return finalSubsidy; else return blockSubsidy;
1988  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 09:08:16 PM
blockchain.bin will not be written unless "save" is used in bitmonerod.  Save after synching and before exit.
"exit" should suffice, since exit automatically starts a "save" before it exists.
At least this is the way it works with BCN.
1989  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 08:55:24 PM
Unfortunately there's no blockchain.bin (searched the complete drive), but maybe I have to wait here also.
Hidden folder Smiley
Windows?

Hidden folders are visible...for now I'll just wait.

If nothing happens till tomorrow I'll build the Linux wallet.
If you're on Linux, did you try
Code:
locate .bitmonero
1990  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
Unfortunately there's no blockchain.bin (searched the complete drive), but maybe I have to wait here also.
Hidden folder Smiley
Windows?
1991  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 08:46:07 PM
Do I have to wait until the daemon has fully synced?
Yes.

Oh, and where is the blockchain persisted?
~/.bitmonero/ on Linux. Probably %APPDATA/bitmonero on Windows? Name is blockchain.bin
1992  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 08:43:20 PM
Is this really anonymous?

Can anyone make a clearcut argument as to how it would not be?
I can't find the exact location at the moment, but I read on the white paper that it is not fully anonymous because full anonymity could not prevent double-spending. According to the author, still Cryptonote is easier to handle than Zerocoin (they do not talk about Darkcoin, which did not exist at the time they wrote the white paper. The white paper is I believe the best document to read.
1993  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 08:09:31 PM
why in gods name are you posting ANN topics in main ?

there is no conceivable way in hell you didn't know better.

if you do this ? i'm out .
The moderator was contacted (theymos, I think) to move the thread but did not act. Deleting it was the first option but someone have reply before it was possible
1994  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 07:54:03 PM
its not about me not mining a block. its about being 5 days late and not mining anything. its about me having a normal computer chip with 6 threads and not being able to mine anything 5 day later. while few people own 150k+ coins already.

this coin was forket because it was too late to mine Byte coin and %80 already were mined in bytecoin. this coin was forket to give people a new chance to use cryptonotes. it was suppose to be fair.

Well guess what, it is not.

disclaimer: i currently own 0 bytecoin, have not tried to mine byte coin due to all the coins being mined already.
You are not the first one to tell us this. This is very strange. I have a low-end computer and I get a block around once a day. Granted, it mines 24/7 and I mined from day one. I also remember that on the first day I did not get anything, but I was mining with only one thread.

I don't know what to tell you, really apart from the fact that you are not the only. I guess you enter "refresh" on the wallet, right?
1995  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 07:21:38 PM
FYI, I am at 3,5 with a Mintbox 2 passive nettop.
1996  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: April 24, 2014, 07:04:50 PM
Could someone point to the right discussion thread for NEM (be it on bitcointalk or elsewhere)? I am lost with so many threads.
Plus, where could I have the current status and roadmap for NEM? Thank you.

You are in the right thread. I can't give you dates because there are no ETAs but this is what's coming in the very near future (in no special order):
  • stake auctions
  • release of final stakeholder list
  • refunds
  • alpha
  • other stuff that comes up Smiley
Thanks Smiley Could I have some information about what really is proof-of-importance?
1997  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: April 24, 2014, 06:58:28 PM
Could someone point to the right discussion thread for NEM (be it on bitcointalk or elsewhere)? I am lost with so many threads.
Plus, where could I have the current status and roadmap for NEM? Thank you.
1998  Local / Annonces / [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: April 24, 2014, 06:53:20 PM
(L'ancien titre était: Monero, la crypto Cryptonote qui monte)

(relecture bienvenue de l'aspect traduction)
Monero (XMR) est une nouvelle monnaie numérique centrée sur le quasi-anonymat et utilisant le protocole CryptoNote (voir plus bas pour plus d'informations). La référence open source de Cryptonote a été codée à partir de zéro, ce n'est pas un dérivé de Bitcoin.

Monero a pour objectif de devenir une monnaie électronique non-traçable et particulièrement fongible. Elle est plus proche de l'anonymat que ne le sont Bitcoin et ses dérivés. Lancée le 18 avril, 2014 (pas de préminage, d'IPO, etc.).

Nous rejoindre sur Freenode (en anglais):
#monero
#monero-dev pour le développement
#monero-otc pour les échanges OTC (de la main à la main)



monero.cc


Giveaway sur reddit. Obtenez des MRO gratuitement!


Fonctionnalités:

  • Paiements non-traçables
  • Transactions non-traçables
  • Immunisé à la double-dépense
  • Résistant à l'analyse de blockchain
  • PoW égalitaire
  • Paramètres adaptatifs

Détails en anglais dans le livre blanc CryptoNote.

Spécifications:

  • Algorithme PoW : CryptoNight [1]
  • Quantité maximale : ~18.4 million [2]
  • Récompense de bloc : varie légèrement [3]
  • Temps de bloc : 60 secondes
  • Difficulté: modifiée à chaque bloc

[1] Pour le moment, CPU uniquement. Conçu pour être limité par la mémoire en utilisant le cryptage AES et plusieurs candidats au SHA-3.
[2] Quantité d'unités atomiques M = 264 - 1. Un subside minimum pourrait être implémenté à l'avenir avec une inflation <1% inflation afin de continuer à encourager les mineurs.
[3] Utilise une relation de récurrence. Récompense de bloc = (M - A) * 2-20 * 10-12, où A = circulation en cours. Sera miné à environ 86% dans 4 ans (voir Graphique).


Téléchargement

Code source
Binaire Windows 64-bits (patch de sécurité 0.8.8.1, MAJ: 17 mai)
Binaire Windows 32-bits (patch de sécurité 0.8.8.1, MAJ: 17 mai)
Binaire OSX (patch de sécurité 0.8.6, MAJ: 8 mai)

Graphique
implémentation .NET par BitKoot's d'un portefeuille graphique pour Windows (beta).
CryptoNote Easy Miner pour le minage en pool sous Windows, par zone117x.

Blockchain (synchronisation plus rapide)
Blockchain Windows 64-bits (à placer dans %AppData%/bitmonero, MAJ : 16 mai)
Blockchain Linux / OSX 64-bits (à placer dans ~/.bitmonero, MAJ 16 mai)

Miroir (à n'utiliser que si nécessaire)

Pour bien commencer
Suivez le guide ci-dessus pour obtenir les logiciels et commencer à miner.

Places de marché

Place de marché CryptoNote (fil de discussion)
SwapHole

Aussi possible en OTC (anglais):
MRO Monero trading thread and OTC exchange
IRC : #monero-otc


Pools

Répartissez le hashrate! Rejoignez les petites pools pour améliorer la santé du réseau.

moneropool.org
moneropool.com
extremepool.org
monerominers.com
http://monero.crypto-pool.fr/

Explorateur

monerochain.info


Développement

Pool open-source - butin de 5000 MRO et ça monte

GUI open-source - butin de 2600 MRO et ça monte

Compétition pour le logo - butin de 300 MRO et ça monte


FAQ

Qu'est-ce que CryptoNote?

CryptoNote est la technologie permettant la création de cryptomonnaies orientés vers le quasi-anonymat. Vous pouvez consulter leur site web ici. Le niveau de quasi-anonymat que permet CryptoNote est intrinsèquement impossible avec une base Bitcoin.

Deux des particularités principales de CryptoNote sont les signatures en anneau qui masquent l'identité de l'expéditeur par mixage et les transactions intraçables accomplies en créant des clés à usage unique pour les paiements individuels. A elles deux, ces technologies assurent un haut degré d'anonymat sans effort supplémentaire de la part de l'utilisateur.

Contrairement à Bitcoin, vos fonds ne sont pas détenus à l'adresse que vous donnez aux autres. Au contraire, chaque fois que vous recevez un paiement, il va dans une adresse intraçable générée avec des nombres aléatoires. Quand vous décidez de dépenser les fonds de cette adresse unique, le montant sera coupé en petits morceaux qui seront indiscernables d'autres montants identiques dans la blockchain.

Par exemple, si 556.44 MRO sont envoyés, le protocole le coupera en 500 + 50 + 6 + 0.4 + 0.04 et une signature en anneaux sera effectuée avec d'autres montants de 500, 50, 6, 0.4 et 0.04. Contrairement à la méthode de mixage "CoinJoin", CryptoNote mixe les sorties, pas les transactions. Ce qui signifie qu'aucun autre expéditeur n'a besoin de participer en même temps que vous ou avec les mêmes quantités. N'importe quel montant envoyé n'important quand pourra toujours être rendu fondamentalement indiscernable (une preuve mathématique est donnée dans le livre blanc).

Les signatures en boucle sont expliquées ci-dessous. Reproduit et traduit de CryptoNote:

Une signature normale ressemble à ceci. Il n'y a qu'un seul participant, ce qui permet une mappage un-pour-un.



Une signature en anneaux voile les identités parce qu'elle prouve uniquement qu'un signataire appartient à un groupe.



Ceci permet un haut niveau de quasi-anonymat dans les transaction de cryptomonnaies. Voyez-le comme un mixeur décentralisé sans besoin de confiance.



Comment ceci se compare-t-il à d'autres solutions de quasi-anonymat ?

Les signatures en anneaux proviennent des travaux de Rivest et al. en 2001 et l'implémentation de CryptoNote s'appuie en particulier sur les travaux de Fujisaki et Suzuk sur les signatures en anneaux traçable. Il existe deux autres implémentations de quasi-anonymat actuellement en développement : l'une repose sur les preuves de connaissance zéro de ZeroCoin/ZeroCash. L'autre est basée sur CoinJoin, l'idée de gmaxwell (tel que les services de mixage de Bitcoin ou de l'altcoin DarkCoin).

1. Comparison avec ZeroCoin et les approches de type ZKP

Vous pouvez vous documenter sur ZeroCoin et les preuves de connaissance zéro (zero-knowledge proofs, ZKP) here. Le plus grand risque est que c'est une recherche récente en cryptography, qui n'a donc pas encore des années de recul en cryptanalyse et par conséquents, des failles peuvent apparaitre. Les signatures en anneaux sont plus mures, bien que CryptoNote représente leur première utilisation dans une cryptomonnaie.

Parmi les autres problèmes de ZKP, notons le fait que l'on doit faire confiance au générateur de la clé RSA privée d'amorçage de l'accumulateur pour bien la détruire après usage. De plus, l'ensemble de l'économie est voilée, pas juste l'identité de l'émetteur et du destinataire. Ceci peut être problématique si adviennent des bogues ou des failles amenant à une inflation ou une manipulation, car les dégâts seraient cachés à tous. There is a tradeoff between these inherent risks and l'anonymat total que permet la ZKP. CryptoNote vise quelque chose de différent grâce à la combinaison d'une double couche de quasi-anonymat permises par les clés à usage unique et les signatures en anneaux.

2. Comparaison avec les approches de type CoinJoin

MRO is qualitativement plus proche des implémentations de mixage comme CoinJoin. The differences arise in the departure from the Bitcoin protocol, ce qui permet à MRO d'utiliser une nouvelle cryptography qui permet une mixage décentralisé et sans confiance de meilleure qualité. Le problème principal avec les services de mixage est le besoin de faire confiance aux opérateurs. Ainsi, le mixeur de blockchain.info donne l'avertissement suivant : "Cependant, si le serveur était compromis, ou que nous étions sous injonction de paraitre (subpoena), il pourrait être nécessaire de conserver des logs. Si ceci devait arriver, vous n'auriez gagné aucune privauté mais vous n'en auriez perdu aucune non plus."

DarkCoin, basée sur CoinJoin, pratique le mixage avec des "masternodes", puisqu'il utilise des signatures ordinaires qui peuvent être mappées en un-pour-un. Ce n'est qu'une amélioration négligeable sur un service de mixage plus centralisé puisque un node sélectionné aléatoirement a moins de chance d'être de mauvaise foi (par exemple en conservant des journaux). Cependant, cette approche repose toujours sur l'intégrité et la bonne volonté des nodes, ce à quoi l'approche plus fondamentale de MRO n'est pas vulnerable. Même dans des conditions optimales, la qualité du quasi-anonymat avec cette méthode est faible par rapport aux signatures en anneaux de MRO.

Les signatures en anneaux de MRO sont aussi bien plus sécurisée et pratiques que CoinJoin car elles mixent les sorties, pas les transactions. Ce qui signifie qu'une transaction n'implique par d'attendre que d'autres envoi quelque chose avec quoi mixer. De même, un utilisateur n'est pas restreint à mixer uniquement avec des personnes mixant la même quantité. Des échanges de taille arbitraire peuvent être envoyés à n'importe quel moment sans la participation d'autrui. Cette fonctionnalité rend une analyse temporelle [NdT timing analysis] de la blockhain inutile pour mapper les identities. Le degrée de quasi-anonymat est aussi un choix plutôt que d'être décidé par le protocole : voulez-vous être caché au milieu de cinq ou au milieu de cinquante ? La taille de la signature croit linéairement tel que O(n+1) avec l'ambiguité donc une meilleurs anonymisation est payée par des frais plus élevés pour les mineurs.


Aperçu d'une transaction

Bob décide de dépenser une somme, qui a été envoyé par une clé publique à usage unique. Il a besoin de Extra (1), TxOutNumber (2), et de la clé privée de son compte (3)  afin de récupérer sa clé privée à usage unique (4).

Quand il envoit une transaction à Carol, Bob génère sa valeur Extra au hasard (5). Il utilise (6), TxOutNumber (7) et la clé publique du compte de Carol's (8) pour obtenir sa clé de sortie publique (9).

En entrée, Bob cache le lien vers sa sortie parmi les clés étrangères (10). Afin d'éviter la double-dépense, il embarque aussi l'image de la clé, déduite de sa clé privé à usage unique (11).

Enfin, Bob signe la transaction, en utilisant sa clé privée à usage unique (12), toutes les clés publiques (13) et son image clé (14). Il adjoint la signature en anneaux en résultant à la fin de la transaction (15).




Autre

J'aimerai participer au développement / design / marketing ...

Contactez-moi par MP. Wink

Je veux intégrer ces nouvelles monnaies dans mes services (pools, block explorers, exchanges etc)

Merci de vérifier les page de l'API : https://wiki.bytecoin.org/wiki/Main_Page
L'API est loin d'être complète. Merci de m'envoyer un MP pour de l'aide ou poser la question sur le forum CryptoNote: https://forum.cryptonote.org/

Références:

Page de la technologie CryptoNote: https://cryptonote.org/inside.php
Livre blanc CryptoNote: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf
Forum CryptoNote: https://forum.cryptonote.org/
1999  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 05:15:53 PM
It's not that you have crappy hardware, it's that you purchased the very best your money could afford. You are rewarded accordingly.
This one is acceptable.

It's not that you have a crappy job, but that that is the best job your mind is suited to -- based on your own capability. Again, you are rewarded accordingly.
This one is not. Lot of very smart people did not have the required luck money to go the best school, or even more simple the right disposition of mind to fllow the educational patterns of the school system. Consider gifted people, people with disabilities...

The situation you are in is reliant on you in this scheme, not that society dictated that you deserve them. That is the world I see with cryptocurrencies.
[...]
In this sense, any monetary system will leave behind those that do not wish to contribute . . not those that do not have a wallet of a certain size.
[...]
Are you on par with this logic, or will I be expecting you to raise questions of income redistribution next? The article you quoted explains that when the gap becomes too large, there are problems. Not that a gap exists at all.
Skillful day-trader get a lot of money out of crypto. Do they contribute to the crypto? No. I wish to contribute much more than average Joe, (for instance here on monero). Will I be in the monero's richlist? Probably not (except by donations, I guess). Granted, you could say that if I really want to contribute, I'll find a way to buy an expensive rig, setup a botnet or what else. Still, I'm not convinced. Hard workers are not necessarily hard earners and the other way around.

We're going politics (I started it, I know), I just don't agree with this vision of life, I beliieve in a better mix between interventionism (income redistribution) and liberalism (rewarding initiative), and NXT is going in that direction (not enough if you ask me, since most bounties requires you to be a coder, but that's a start).
But better not to continue on this one this would lead us nowhere and certainly probably not in improving monero.


2000  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology on: April 24, 2014, 05:05:03 PM
Hell, I started get pissed ...

Every time I refresh (in about every 5 mim) I receive about 200 new blocks ..

When I try to mining I always get error:
mining has NOT been started: possible lost connection to daemon ..
That's normal. Syncing takes time and you can't mine as long as syncing is not done. Yes, it is frustrating, I know Smiley Avoid closing down the daemon, even if you plan to start it up again two minutes later. For unknown reasons, it always take time to resync, even if you properly stopped the daemon with the "exit" command.
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