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21  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Give your opinion about the current market and future on: October 23, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
What is your opinion on the current market? Good day coming soon For traders because of major coins are in oversold position. Just need some good news. It's time to buy  Ethereum, Bitcoin and others coin
Give your opinion about the current market and the future .all we know that the price if getting worse but i do believe that the future of the market will be pump permanently.
22  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What kind of coin are you waiting for on the pump? on: October 23, 2018, 02:43:23 PM
bitcoin for sure
What kind of coin are you wait in for on the pump ? I will wait for the pump of bitcoin .because when bitcoin is pump the other coin will pump too.
23  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Everyone loses money when the market is down right? on: October 23, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
Everyone losses money when the market is down . yes this is the big problem of trader but you can buy if the price is down then wait for the price pump then sell it to make profit.
24  Economy / Economics / Re: Why all people moan about the price of bitcoin? on: October 23, 2018, 02:37:47 PM
The forum is full of topics - “When Will Bitcoin Be Back To $...”, “Why BTC is under $...?”, “Final bottom at $...”, “Why BTC is down again?”, “Bitcoin will rise again ?” etc. The last two topics may appear in various forms  a dozen times a day.
I looked at graph price of BTC out of curiosity. I have noted to the price floor:

2015 - $200+
2016 - $300+
2017 - $700+
2018 - $5000+


Do you see something frightening in it?

We all can see that price drops because of actions by a Governments and big whales. Because they have the means and opportunities. They want to break into the our market on advantageous terms for them. Okay, well, I mean, that makes sense. We knew it would happen. But why that have to affect us?

In December 2017, the most people said - "Why I didn't buy BTC for $500… for $1000… f#ck it!.. for $2000...", "I will definitely buy BTC if it costs $7k-6k!..". But now when the price drops so well for us, we see "The demand for BTC is dropping". Seriously?!

So, instead to take advantage of the situation, buy up coins and altcoins, attract new people in crypto world more active than before, a lot of people stuck in indecision and think whether crypto market falls to the bottom and stays there.

Guys, are you serious? Crypto world is made by us. Governments and big whales haven’t any tricks to rule our world. It will happen only if we do nothing.

What do you think about it?

Well the price of bitcoin now is dump every dump of a price is getting worse but I hope someday the price will pump and pump and pump
25  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You cannot win in gambling on: October 18, 2018, 04:52:42 PM
I just had a really bad day gambling today with Roma losing a ticket for me and their odd was 1.20 and they were playing against the last place of Italian Serie A. I thought a bad day and move on and played another ticket this time I choose Brondby as they were playing at home against a team they had beaten almost always and the odd was 1.35. This was even worse as Brondby lost 2-4 at home to a team quoted from the bookies at 8.5

Now I am not an expert in gambling but this day was a really eye opener for me, you can never win in gambling. Imagine when you can't win in lotto , soccer betting or whatever you call it, you don't have a chance in slots.
You can win in gambling if you have best strategies .you can win with strategies and think about your actions in gambling.
26  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What kind of coin are you waiting for on the pump? on: October 18, 2018, 04:49:33 PM
which do you think should grow in the near future?
I'm in the near future on the pamp crypto Greenmed (GRMD) has long been at the bottom, engaged in the sufficiency of marijuana in the united states, in principle, in some conferences in the United States had not a bad success
For me I wait for the bit coin pump because when bitcoin will increase the other coin will increase too.
27  Economy / Economics / Re: What will you do with the current market? on: October 18, 2018, 04:47:09 PM

Looking at the current market, many people are disappointed in the market price, bitcoin prices stomping at the $ 7000 level, altcoin prices are falling deeply. Recent good news, however, shows that the market continues to grow and has great potential in the future. What would you do this time: Buy bitcoin, buy altcoin or do nothing?
For me I just hold my coin until the price will pump not now but soon I believe that as soon as possible the bitcoin will increase .
28  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My sweet and bitter experience about bitcoin on: October 18, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
I started my cryptocurrency journey around July 2017. I bought some altcoins;  verge; dodge, Xrp Siacoin on Bittrex and left some on bitcoin. It was a roller coaster for me around November to December 2017, particularly with verge, my crypo investment of just about $120 grew to a little bit over $3,000. I never new on time until I opened my bittrex. It was wao!

I took out some money since I was in need about $1000. With the euphoria of bitcoin suppasing $20,000, so I watched until my investment shrinked from about $2000 to $1500, then $1000, I decided to take out some little more until I had about $800 left.

That amount have shrinked further to about $450. The worst came when I took a third of the amount to buy Mithril coin when the news came that it won a vote to be listed on binance,  and suddenly it was disqualified,  and the price have falling like packs of cards, more than 50% right now.

Its a question of if I had known, I would have withdrawn the $3000 the moment I saw it on my bittrex account. Who can tell the future?

But I am wiser now.

Does anyone have similar experience
My sweet and bitter experience about bitcoin is when the bitcoin will pump and the alt increase too because of bitcoin we can buy whatever we want but when the price dump I think is it the bitter situation in this world .
29  Economy / Economics / Re: You're not wealthy yet, so you're not allowed to be wealthy on: October 18, 2018, 02:30:43 AM
The rule that only accredited investors, which means people who are already wealthy, are allowed to participate in certain ICOs is senseless imo. It's like saying "YOU'RE NOT WEALTHY YET, SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE WEALTHY." Stupid society, with obsolete rules, we're living in.

Disclaimer: I'm not a US citizen, and I've not read that law
You're not wealthy yet so you're not allowed to be wealthy what was that? If you are not wealthy you can make you life wealthy everyone on is not wealthy but bacaues of their determine and confidence they can be. A wealthy more that the wealthy peoples.
30  Economy / Economics / Re: What can be done to make bitcoin stable? on: October 18, 2018, 02:25:55 AM
I am relatively new with regard to bitcoin but what I have noticed is that a lot of people just invest on it and then cash in when they feel like it is already enough to make a profit. I do not think that this will not be great in the long run because of it being unstable. So what can be done to make it stable?
What can be do to make bitcoin stable for me dont do anything just continue what are you doing now if your doing now and dont stop investing in bitcoin.
31  Other / Archival / Re: The Founder of Bitcoin on: October 18, 2018, 02:22:08 AM
Many believed that the inventor of Bitcoin wants to remain anonymous to avoid legal consequences as what happened during 2007 about E-Gold, one of the first digital money (Bernard, 2017). On the other hand, I think it would be better if the founder of Bitcoin will reveal his identity since many countries recognized the essence of this cryptocurrency.

If this might happen, it will contribute for more development of digital currency and regulations in Bitcoin procedures. Also, the acknowledgement must be given for the person who invented the most efficient digital currency in our society.

What are your thoughts?
The founder of bitcoin I think this is not good ice to know the founder of the bitcoin .every people have a private matter if it is a private no one dares to know his/her private life his/her private I to remain anonymous to everyone . we didn't know that what will happen if he/she reveal his/her identity .
32  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Addiction Stories! on: October 18, 2018, 02:07:04 AM
Just curious to read some addict or former addict stories and probably some of us like me will be glad to see how things actually did roll in for them during this period and I believe some other persons tending towards that path can also learn from it. Also, if you have a friend or relative you can speak for, it would be appreciated.

Personally, this is what I would like to know though.

1. How did you find yourself ending up to become an addict? What instigated it to the point that you just found yourself not being able to control the impulse any longer? What was the feeling like and during those period of being an addict, did you know and were you willing to pop out of it?

2. What were the steps you took or the steps you are taking to get out from it, and on the scale of 1 to 10, how can you rate how you are doing now?

3. For those who are out of it, do you still gamble or still wish you could? In the case where you are still gambling, how do you want to make sure what happened initially does not end up repeating itself.

4. Any other thing you feel you can add is welcome.
Gambling addiction stories . in gambling addiction no one can stop you even of you don't have money you will find a way to have none and plate gambling but this is bad to your health yoi can get a sick because of gambling.
33  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why not play games online instead of gambling? on: October 18, 2018, 02:03:50 AM
Many but not all gamblers are claiming they gamble for fun and pass time. I was just thinking. If it is the reason why people gamble then why not play online games? There is a lot of good and challenging onlne games wherein you can interact with other people online?
Why not play games online instead of gambling? Am we know that when you play gambling you can loss or win in gambling money is important but in online games you can't loss anything of your money .
34  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Give your opinion about the current market and future on: October 18, 2018, 01:44:46 AM
What is your opinion on the current market? Good day coming soon For traders because of major coins are in oversold position. Just need some good news. It's time to buy  Ethereum, Bitcoin and others coin
Give your opinion about the current market and future? The current market now is getting worse because in this world expect the think that the market will getting low and high I kmow that the future is will increase the markets .
35  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: are you now afraid to save bitcoin until December 2018 on: October 17, 2018, 08:31:10 AM
I saw a lot of news in the media about the price of bitcoin.
and they predict bitcoin can go to the month again in December 2018
and there are some media that say the price of bitcoin will go down and this news makes investors afraid to buy bitcoin.


do you believe the price of bitcoin will rise?
or believe the price of bitcoin will drop!
For now? I'm doubting because the market is getting worse but I dont loss my hope I know before the end of november 2018 the market will increase .
36  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: If you want to be successful in trading.. on: October 17, 2018, 08:28:28 AM
I have seen a tip from somewhere that in order for you to be become successful always in your trading, you have to to a sniper rather than a machine gunner.. If you trade always see all opportunity, every indicator, every momentum, etc. before starting to trade. Don't be hasty to trade every signal day. You just have to find that one trade that can bring you good profits and not painful losses.
It you want to successful intrading you must learn the rules of traders . after you learn it then apply be wise when you trade .
37  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Buy low sell high? on: October 17, 2018, 08:25:33 AM
So I have seen Coinbase is the main "source" for buying/selling BTC, but I was wondering if anyone has used the method of converting bitcoin to another currency when it reaches a high point, then converting it back to BTC when it is low enough.

If so, what wallet(s), exchanges, etc. are you using? And more specifically, what crypto do you recommend converting BTC to, in this situation?

Any help is appreciated!
Well tho is the true nature of trading . buy low and sell high but this I not easy sometimes you cant get profit but sometimes yoi can get profits .
38  Economy / Economics / Re: How can we make this world economically better? on: October 17, 2018, 08:21:27 AM
The society is divided into haves and haves not, poor people are getting more poorer and rich people are getting more richer, Value of money is decreasing and inflation is increasing, Many people around the globe suffer death mostly Africa and asia because hunger and unable to fulfill basic human needs.
What actions should governments need to take and how individuals can contribute?
Well for me the government will help the people to increase the economy just like in bitcoin if we want to increase our economy here then we need many peope to use bit coin.
39  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money on a long-term period on: October 17, 2018, 08:17:43 AM
How to save money on a long-term period or an essay on black metal.
       This is the translation of my original article. The original is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4452770.0

I apologize for my English. This is not my native language and I have to use an automatic translator. But I think that you will understand my main thoughts.

Hello friends! Bitcoin is cool. I am an enthusiast of bitcoin and I hope for his growth. But periodically, all holders have to face problems. In this topic, I would like to share with you my idea (and experience) on how to keep the constant value of your money (and even multiply it by a percentage higher than inflation) over the long term. What do I mean by long-term? Period of time in the range from six months to several years and even up to tens of years. The latter is also possible (I think so), although, personally for me it is more of a theoretical interest.
Why is this relevant and how is it related to the cryptoworld? I think that you already guessed). It's wonderful to be a holder and a tractor) crypts on bull (and, especially, a long bull market), but from time to time come to us very different times. Yes, from time to time long bear markets come to us. As an exemplary example of such a market, you can cite the year 2014, when almost the whole year bitkoyn, and with it the rest of the crypt, basically fell.
       I foresee a similar scenario in the not-too-distant future; of course, after the cue ball is once again otzemunitsya (well, if it really happens).
       So, suppose that you are an investor with some margin of crypt. Let's say that you were able to correctly anticipate all the roller coaster growth and the beginning of the bearish crypt market. There are signs that this is serious and for a long time. You'll have to wait for turbulent times in fiat or its steeblechkan equivalents.
But!:
Will it be right to keep money in fiat on a long-term basis? (by default, we mean that the fall will be indefinitely - long, from six months to several years - the bitcoat cycles are stretched).
     Finite money for long-term storage has many drawbacks. Firstly, whatever they say, and Fiat - it's just pieces of paper and figures in the database (in the case of a non-cashier), not protected against rampant inflation (which, by the way, is very different from officially stated). Nobody and nothing can prevent the state from printing these pieces of paper and tsiferok as it deems necessary. A real example before our eyes is the depreciation of the ruble against the dollar in 2015 +/- 2 times and the subsequent price increase. In my opinion, only solid material assets (or bitkoyn can protect you from such devaluations, but it, as we agreed, in this case is in the hands of bears). Below I'll talk about this in more detail, and now a little about how I came to the conclusion about the effectiveness of saving funds in black metal. I came to this idea spontaneously - intuitively.
    In 2014, I thought about building a house with a garage, more precisely, first about the general extended foundation for them. For these purposes, I purchased a sufficient number of metal fittings. I bought with a decent amount of this excess, as I kept in mind another building object. After the construction of the foundation, the majority of the reinforcement remained, however, and the construction season was crumbling. For a while I forgot about my metal. He was lying on my plot in front of the future garage with a huge heap (tied up). I remembered about the valve only in 2015 after the devaluation of the ruble. And I was pleasantly surprised at the preservation of the value of my money))). I tried to test the remaining metal. After the announcement on Avito, several real sellers responded at once, which pleased me pleasantly. They were ready "right now" to buy up all of my armature.
Although the price I put even higher than the market ... it's by the way, eloquently speaks about the liquidity of black metal. This gave me serious food for thought and I ... changed my mind about selling, and used metal for construction on another of my real estate properties. But the very idea of ​​keeping the value in black metal, as they say, has deeply sunk into my soul. I realized that in this capacity, black metal, perhaps, would plug the belt and gold and real estate and, even more so, cash (there were crypto accumulations at the time, but no one knew how long this "exhausting flat" would last) . Before the next crisis in the crypt (the current one I do not consider a crisis), I plan to decently recoup with black metal. Most likely in the form of reinforcement, it can be profile and round pipes, most running sizes)
      And now let's compare in order the black metal as a means of preserving value with cash, gold, real estate and, for example, antiques).
      1.) Black metal and cash
1. "Internal Value" (hereinafter referred to as the consumer value). Cash has no intrinsic value; they are unable to perform functions other than exchange (for other money, assets or goods). That is, theoretically they can depreciate completely (a fantastic scenario, but nevertheless). Black metal can always be used for its intended purpose in construction.
2. Stability of value on the long-term. In the long term, Fiat is gradually depreciating, black metal is not. It, of course, can rust, but we mean responsible dry storage indoors. The joke is that my armature was lying open for several years. It is a bit rusted, but no one pays any attention to it, the cost is preserved).

3. Compactness
Black metal is not as compact as various forms of fiat money, but it is not necessarily seen as a drawback. But it's not so easy to steal it). Compare that it's easier to steal: a bundle of banknotes (crack non-cash money) or a ton of black metal))).

2.) Black metal and gold.
Gold has many of its forms, each of which is not very convenient for long-term storage:
Gold bars (hemorrhoids with banks, registration, difficulties in selling back, state monopoly and seller bank, unfair prices for you.) If you store gold in a bank, you pay decently for storing your gold, as a result your savings melt)
- Investment coins. Again, you will trade with the bank in a way that is not profitable for you, because you are in unequal relations with it.
- Jewelry. The problem with the sale. There is no uniformity, each product is unique. A substantial part of the price contains the work of a jeweler, which your buyer can evaluate.
- Various forms of non-material gold ("paper gold", assets tied to gold, various derivatives on / from it) Intangibles here are the main minus.
Gold loses to black metal in practical use. In the regulation and limitations of its turnover. In too great a variety of forms and the absence of rigid unification (which could have a positive effect on liquidity)

3.) Black metal and real estate
Real estate loses to black metal:
1. The need to register transactions in a specially created for this purpose state institution
2. Real estate objects are too diverse and not uniform, which can make their sale more difficult. Each property is unique in its own way.
3. Black metal has a "volume flexibility". You can buy a little more or a little less in a fairly large range. The real estate object needs to either buy in its entirety or not buy at all ("take what is given")
4. Black metal is mobile)
5. Buying a property you "buy" and neighbors and infrastructure that may wish for the best and with what (and with whom) you have to put up. With black metal, this is not necessary.

4.) Black metal and antiques
Antiques can be uncomfortable for a novice investor. In it it is necessary to understand. It takes years to develop competence. This is a separate occupation. Again, internal heterogeneity and a huge variety of antiques can affect liquidity. In regions and small towns this direction may be undeveloped (and most likely not developed). The practical importance of black metal is much higher than that of antiques. I think that in a crisis this is manifested more strongly.
 So, I briefly outlined the prospects for investing in ferrous metal. We can say that this is one of the ideal instruments that hedge the risks of crypto currency. But does black metal have drawbacks? Unfortunately - yes, more precisely, I would say, features. More precisely, I see only one feature - a disadvantage. For a resident of a city, especially a large one, owning an asset such as ferrous metal may not be very convenient). All the same, you need a garage, or some kind of storage space on the property rights or opportunities for free access. Friends, that's all. Write how you wait for the bearish long-term markets)

             09/09/2018
Many people who comment on my topic, do not read my arguments at all. And do not know what it's written about. I am writing about the preservation of funds from depreciation during the BEAR PERIOD in the bitokoin market. Of course, when the bull will begin and the currency will begin to grow, there is no longer any need to keep funds in black metal.
   The people write nonsense about the fact that you need to put money in the bank, that you need to cut unnecessary costs and so on. This all has nothing to do with the subject of  topic. The desire to put money in the bank to save the cost of their money - for me this is a sign of low intelligence.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.metall does not have a hard fork
2. It is impossible to forget or lose a private key
3. He will never depreciate to zero, he will always have a practical application.
4.He will never have more technological competitors.
5. Black metal does not become obsolete
6. Black metal has no errors in the code, + it can not be hacked by hackers
6. It has no attack risk of 51% and all other attacks
7. He will never be banned by the government
etc///

How to save mine in a longterm . for me i invest 10-15% of my coins and the other I will withdraw it and save it to my savings because we didn't know if the market will dump or pump .
40  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is one of the saviors. on: October 17, 2018, 08:13:30 AM
we certainly hear a lot of people whose their lives change 180% because of Bitcoin

based on https://www.livebitcoinnews.com/venezuelans-turn-to-bitcoin-and-online-gaming-to-survive/
when government policies make them miserable, they find ways to survive.

Do you agree with Bitcoin is one of the saviors and are there any of us who have saved their economic lives since focusing on Bitcoin?
and honestly, I'm one of the people whose economic needs have survived because of Bitcoin  Grin
Well for me is bitcoin is a saviour to our need . you can't be rich or you can't buy anything without bit coin . bitcoin is the to get rich .
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