I've personally not found a reason to change my trust depth or move away from default trust. I suppose if I start to miss out on people who are running scams I will consider adding to it!

There will definitely be collectors, just like there are collectors of old Apple prototypes:-)

Amir isn't involved. If you look at the commits on github (https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar/graphs/contributors) you can see that genjix (Amir) only contributed at the beginning, after that Brian forked it to OpenBazaar and has been the main developer.

I want her job!

A hot wallet is like the wallet in your pocket, and a cold wallet is like your safe at home. If you are robbed on the street or even in your home they will take your wallet that is on you, but they won't be able to steal the safe. It's the same with Bitcoin: if a hacker breaks into your computer they can steal your hot wallet, but to get to your cold wallet they have to go through you.

Beginning of 2013, forgot about it for a bit, and then rediscovered it towards the end of 2013!

Darlings, I'd like to know if I can get in on this action? illodin doesn't seem to have grasped elementary school math, and I'd love to make an easy 0.4 BTC!

Karpeles will give back all the stolen Bitcoin?

I think that blockchain 'technology' is going to be the next big buzzword. I can't wait for my boss to ask me when we're moving from the cloud to the blockchain!

That's not true at all, darling. It seems that every time I have an important transfer there's a 1 hour Bitcoin block! If yours 'usually takes 5 min' you are the exception and not the rule.

How are you not Legendary yet?!

I think vertoe saying that it 'reaches deep into the code base' means that its more than just organizational.

You need to take the analogy further than that. If the MNs are the FireChat users, what are normal nodes? The argument that I've seen made over and over is that MNs use the same code as normal nodes, but now you're saying that MNs are somehow a network on their own? It doesn't match up.

I understand. When I write clearly and understandably you feel the need to diminish what I wrote by insulting me. Are you insulting me just because I'm female and you think I'm soft? Do you think you can get away with attacks like that because I won't fight back? Shame on you.

It is an indictment of the Dash system as a whole because it is not just liberties taken with trolls, it is stated on the Dash website. The about page, https://www.dashpay.io/about/what-is-dash/, says "No central authorities to trust because of full decentralization, even for the anonymization process" when that isn't true. Dash sets out a definition of it that is false. It is up to us, former and current Dash holders, to decide whether this false definition is 'accidental' like the instamine or evidence of an outright scam.


The Wikipedia page keeps saying that components in a decentralized system act on local information. This is what makes so much sense to me. Think of it like the FireChat app that was used in protests, http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26285-hong-kong-protesters-use-a-mesh-network-to-organise.html, have you read about that? Each phone talks to other nearby phones, exchanging 'local information' only. If a protester is 1000 feet from another one then the message has to go through this chain. Here's a picture I found describing it.



If component 9 wants to talk to component 1 it has to go 9 to 7 to 6 to 1, or it can go 9 to 4 to 3 to 2 to 1. Even if you start taking components out it will still find a way! When you have MasterNodes influencing that path or trying to improve the performance of the path the MasterNodes become the central control. The reason that protestors don't just setup wifi networks is that they're easy to monitor or to take down.

I also think it's best if you don't try argue this point seeing as how vertoe agrees that it is centralized. When your own core developer says this, and many clever people agree, you can't argue that is false based on bias or what you describe as 'faulty logic'. You have to argue it based on its merits and you haven't done that. All you've done is insult me and my intelligence.

Kim Dotcom is so cool, I'm sure he's going to be doing something awesome with Bitcoin. Adding Bitcoin to Mega won't be big enough for him!

Another girl woman checking in! I am interested in the Bitcoin technicals, but a lot of it is outside of my understanding. I'm learning more and more every day!

The same way you double your USD: get a better job or steal from someone:)

Isn't the fee really small?

toknormal I read through your post, and I have spent some time thinking about it and researching it. I find it worrying that you write with such precision but your writings are filled with such inaccuracies and inccorrect statements. I'm sure investors look up to you which is why this is even more worrying.


You do the cryptography in Monero a disservice when you describe it as off-the-shelf. Ring signatures are not new cryptography but the application in Monero is definitely innovative.

I also haven't seen anything formal from Evan about "network quality control and performance", have you?

In my research I have also found a section on the Monero website that seems to describe a lot more than just 'technology for hiding transactions'. Have you seen that page? It's this one https://getmonero.org/design-goals/


If I had to guess I'd say 99% of the merchants out there use Bitpay or Coinbase or one of the others for interacting with Bitcoin, so I am not sure this is much of a problem, if at all.

I also think it's very cheeky of you to make a statement like this as if attributing the API compatability or the Dash GUI wallet to Evan's hard work. You and I both know that he hasn't worked on any of that from scratch. Maybe we can give him credit for minor changes to the Bitcoin GUI.


See above.


Now you're just lying, toknormal, and that's doing harm to the whole Dash community. Why would you lie on something so obviously wrong?

Dash has nobody competent besides Evan now that vertoe has left!

I used the People Behind Monero page on the Monero website, https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/people, and I researched all the people there. They are mostly people who have been in the cryptocurrency community for years. They've been on Bitcointalk since 2011-2013, except for NoodleDoodle and eizh that have only been on Bitcointalk since the beginning of 2014. On that page they also list 8 other developers who have contributed and they link to their github pages.

If you click on github contributors page link on that page it lists 25 contributors. Most of those contributors have contributed only to Monero. What I mean is if you look at the Dash github page, https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/graphs/contributors, the top 5 contributors are working on Bitcoin not on Dash, they don't even care about Dash. If you look on the Monero page there's only amjuares that worked on Bytecoin BCN and everyone else is a Monero developer. Even vertoe worked on Monero!

You are passionate about Dash but it is easy to see that Monero has quite a number of developers. I don't think it's good to compare Dash to Monero on that.


So I did some research on decentralization. My starting point was Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_system. That page has a very good description right at the beginning that I want to paste for you. 'A centralised system is one in which a central controller exercises control over the lower-level components of the system directly or through the use of a power hierarchy (such as instructing a middle level component to instruct a lower level component).' Doesn't that sound like MasterNodes?

I know your answer is going to be that MasterNodes don't 'exercise control' but they do. You've just said that they are going to influence performance, which is exercising control. And we definitely know that they act on behalf of Dash users when they are mixing. By that definition the Dash network is 'centralized' and I don't think it's right to argue it any other way.

The Wikipedia article continues, and I think its important to go over some of the sentences and contrast it with Dash and Bitcoin/Monero, because this is a Dash vs Monero thread.

'A decentralised system, on the other hand, is one in which complex behaviour emerges through the work of lower level components operating on local information, not the instructions of any commanding influence.'

In Dash the lower level components (nodes) don't operate on local information. They rely on the MasterNodes to exert control and provide information and provide structure.

'This form of control is known as distributed control, or control in which each component of the system is equally responsible for contributing to the global, complex behaviour by acting on local information in the appropriate manner.'

This is the clearest indication, for me, where we see that Dash is centralized. The components in Dash are not equal. MasterNodes have way more power than ordinary nodes, and that means they are controlling things.

There are other excellent points in that Wikipedia article but I think the point is clear, and that is that Dash is centralized, Bitcoin and Monero are not.

Karpeles time will come, trust me!

Would you also like to know my mother's maiden name, the last 4 digits of my credit card, and my date of birth?;-)