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21  Other / Off-topic / Re: How to hide a website without TOR on: July 08, 2011, 05:08:02 AM

 Smiley Smiley

You just got 1 upped, how does it feel?
22  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Capital cost. on: July 08, 2011, 05:06:30 AM
More risk, but much more reward.

Considering how risky bitcoin is already why would you want to add to that?

That's the point. With a higher risk on initial investment, you have a greater potential reward. Say you buy $8k worth of BTC for $14 and sell for $17. You get much more out of that than buying $100 of BTC.

I also understand where you're coming from: the safer standpoint, which is where I stand too, so don't take this as me bashing you  Wink
23  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why underclock video memory? on: July 08, 2011, 03:48:02 AM
Video card RAM is not used for textures.  Those are stored on the system memory and hard drive.  The RAM on a video card is only used to store the rendered frames before they are sent to the monitor.
That was true a decade ago, it's definitely true now. Here's two ways to see that this can't possibly be true:

1) 32-bit color, 1900x1200 = less than 9MB per frame. You really think they put 1GB on video cards so they can hold 117 frames?!

2) How could that possibly work? The GPU is running at blistering speed. How could it possibly apply textures if it had to keep copying between the GPU and system memory? Low end cards these days exceed 40 billion texels per second. You really think they could sustain that rate to system memory (that's already busy with system stuff) that tops out at less than 8GB/s?

The whole point to having all that fast memory is so that the GPU can render textures without bothering the CPU or main memory.


 Do I really think they put 1GB on graphics cards to hold 117 frames?  YES.  How else are you going to get smooth framerates?  In Rift I get 40 - 60 FPS.  In PlanetSide I get 100+. In EQ2 I get 30 - 50.  If the rendered frames had to compete with textures then your computer would grind to a halt.  I run LOTRO with Hi-Rez textures.  That folder ALONE is over 11GB.  That very fact makes it impossible to store textures on the VRAM.  Since it would have to pick and choose what textures it needs, it would have to call them from the hard drive, to system RAM and finally the VRAM.  That's idiotic.  Especially when it makes far more sense to only send the textures you need for a given frame. 

You should research video cards before trying to make such arguments, or at least know when to look things up when someone tells you you're wrong.

"The RAM on a video card is only used to store the rendered frames before they are sent to the monitor." - This statement is just wrong, mainly because of that "only." VRAM stores lots of things besides acting solely as a frame buffer. This Memory section of the Video Card entry in wikipedia explains very briefly what VRAM is used for.

You're statements of 11GB of textures and the way you think they're loaded makes it seem like you have no idea how caching systems work. Maybe you should read about that before trying to act like an expert.

If I've learned one thing from these forums, it'd be JoelKatz is usually right about hardware.
24  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Other is closing in on 50% on: July 07, 2011, 05:25:21 PM
Deep was in the land of DDoS at that time
25  Other / Off-topic / Re: $7 per pack. on: July 07, 2011, 08:16:30 AM
Read up on Urban Sprawl on wikipedia, it explains why Americans would get mad at higher gas prices. To summarize, and from personal experience, a lot of Americans cannot get anywhere without a car because a lot of cities are designed like a bowl of shit. To add to the shitty design, most can't/don't find work within 10 miles of where they live. Source: I live in a suburb of Kansas City.

While you're at it, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal. Gas needs to skyrocket by a few hundred percent to make average Americans realize how screwed we are in the long run. Public transportation just isn't an option in a lot of towns anymore. In my town the nearest bus stop is over three miles away and the buses don't run anywhere useful.
26  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Question about adding a specific fan on: July 07, 2011, 07:49:53 AM
Read up on positive and negative case pressure. The posts about burning out fans if the CFM's aren't equal are not true, assuming that your case isn't a PoS. I've have about 2.2x output CFM than intake on multiple computers for months and all the fans are fine.
27  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: triplemining.com on: July 06, 2011, 10:21:49 PM
I can understand paying a fee to the pool you're mining at, but I don't know why anyone would want to pay a fee to the person who referred them.
28  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Anyone Interested in starting a triplemining team? on: July 06, 2011, 10:18:49 PM
It's not a pyramid scheme, more of a referral spam instigator. As long as you have 0 referrals, or the people you referred are below your hashing power, you're taking a loss.

Calming that you can triple your income is quite funny and misleading.
29  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Did I break my 5870? on: July 06, 2011, 06:16:37 AM
Try your other card, if you still have it. If not, try re seeding your current card. I wouldn't think a hardware accelerated program would ruin a card, but it's possible with a card under a lot of stress, although quite small. If you can't get it to work, it should be under warranty if it's a couple weeks old.

In the future, you should disable flash hardware acceleration by right clicking any flash object and going to settings.
30  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why underclock video memory? on: July 06, 2011, 06:07:26 AM
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There is no need to have fast memory, or much memory, when hashing since nothing is being cached in the RAM on the card.


so this is why i wonder if its really worth it as its not even being used so musn't be using squat power

Since the RAM on graphics cards are Dynamic Random Access Memory(DRAM), they need their values refreshed on an interval since the capacitors storing memory leak the voltage. This is done regardless if a address in memory is being pointed to or not, or "being used" in simpler terms. The memory clock controls this refresh interval, thus lower memory clock equals lower intervals to refresh voltages, which uses less power.
31  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why underclock video memory? on: July 06, 2011, 05:27:09 AM
A more technical answer:

There is no need to have fast memory, or much memory, when hashing since nothing is being cached in the RAM on the card. When you play games, the textures needs to be cached somewhere for faster rendering since keeping it in RAM would be quite slow due to the distance from the GPU. Having faster memory on the card is optimal in gaming since the DDR memory on graphic cards are faster and closer to the GPU.
32  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Wow on: July 06, 2011, 05:21:08 AM
Sad be the day when you need a back up pool for your back up pool.
33  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Miners calling it quits? on: July 06, 2011, 12:03:25 AM
AngelusWebDesign has been creating a ton of threads about the end of the world bitcoin the last couple of days.

On the other hand, I'm still benefiting from mining.
34  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: More difficulty = higher BTC price is an urban legend on: July 05, 2011, 05:16:10 PM
There are many people (mainly in the USA) who get very cheap electricity and apparently pay no tax on income, so they're happy to mine even if the price hits single digits.

Not exactly legal to not claim income, but I doubt the IRS will catch on.
35  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 1000W PSU on Newegg for $110 today! on: July 05, 2011, 04:34:44 AM
I can say that Xion power supplies (do they even make them even more?) like to die, and attempt to take hardware with them. I had two of them years ago that came with cases. First one died within a few weeks. The second one, which also came with a case, took two hard drive with them. They melted a chip on the HDD control board. The PSU's were not being over strained to my knowledge.

I have had a Thermaltake for over three years, and it's been doing great.
36  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 04:30:07 AM
You shouldn't buy these. At 129 it isn't worth it because when you calculate the megahash per dollar you get 2.325. You might as well go for a 5850 in staid of that because its ratio is 2.424.

Complete BS. Two of these will eat a single 6970 alive in terms of hashing power @ lower price tag. I would get two instead of buying a single 6970. It doesn't apply to everybody though since I have dual PCI-E on my old P5E board.



I'm confused... you bash him for comparing MH/$ ratio of 5830 to 5850, then continue to compare 5830 to other cards over their MH/$ value...  Huh
37  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Capital cost. on: July 05, 2011, 04:16:26 AM
I made a rig for ~$600 (with a good case that was probably unnecessary and some already owned hardware) and it puts out ~580 MH/s. So that was 1.03$/MH, or .966MH/$

I also have a 5850 pushing 340MH/s on my gaming computer, but the 5850 was bought before I knew of BTC, so I consider that $0 investment. So that's givng me 0$/MH or InfinityMH/$

Edit: 9.66 MH/s is quite different from .966MH/$
38  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sapphire 5830 in stock at Newegg on: July 05, 2011, 04:12:28 AM
The fact that every 2016 blocks (about 11 days), 100,800 new BTC are minted. That means that, to maintain the CURRENT price of $13.50, we'd need $1,360,000 of NEW MONEY entering the system every 11 days.  Considering that Bitcoin isn't *that* convenient, popular, or necessary for day-to-day life yet -- and the Mainstream Media seems to have declared war on it -- I see the market correcting even further until it hits an equilibrium -- which unfortunately we be lower.

That's assuming that all BTC is being sold. I don't have any solid stats, but I'd assume that a lot of people are hoarding coins rather than cashing them in every 11 days.

But, you still have a point, even thought it might not be as bad as you think.
39  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Risk reduction for your rigs against failure or fire etc. on: July 05, 2011, 04:08:14 AM
Most high performance processors have a temperature that they'll stop at or start to throttle processing power. To have a fire caused by a modern CPU or GPU would be kinda amazing to me.

A malfunctioning PSU is a different thing, but those will be fine as long as their load is within specified specs.
40  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Good Ati Card for mining and gaming under $200? on: July 05, 2011, 01:37:55 AM
5850's are great gaming cards for the price. I can run mostly everything on Highest settings on the 5850 I have, not like that's much anymore since most PC games are shitty ports. I can run Portal 2 and Starcraft 2 on Highest settings with no frame rate issues. Sadly, those are the only two good games with high demands that I've played recently.
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