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21  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 24, 2014, 03:52:48 AM
No need for that mate.  So when will you be paying back this money then?

Look the ball is in your court so just do what you know is right.  The community deserve full disclosure.  Jesus, what are you doing on this thread throwing shit around like that for when you know how serious your situation is?  It's not Ken that's under the microscope here, although you're clearly trying to play the diversionary card.  They are going to throw away the keys if your not careful so tread carefully.

Honestly I am not trying to divert anyone's attention from anything.
Right now Weex owes a lot of btc to a lot of people.
To help ease things I am trying to use my ActM shares towards that.

In the meantime, Ken is in effect trying to steal the funds and pay himself personally.
(and as quickly as possible while misdirecting everyone as to the nature of the funds and his rights to do what he pleases with them)

And the great god Ken has made it quite clear that should any shareholder not agree with his actions that are based solely on his feelings/emotions and not backed my any legal nature, then he wishes them the best of luck to try to do anything about it.

22  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 24, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
Ukyo you are funny saying that someone will be judged on how they handle a situation.  Comedy gold. Cheesy

Just do the honourable thing and pay back the money that you owe ActM.  It really is that simple.

Did you not read? That is what I am trying to do.
23  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 24, 2014, 03:35:46 AM
Can't believe Ukyo has the nerve to be posting this while he is scamming people out of millions of dollars. Scumbag of the year award.

I can't believe you are upset that this scumbag is taking the time to fight to get weex users some funds out of his personal holdings.
24  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 24, 2014, 03:34:48 AM
Ken seems to think that because he's scamming US customers with a foreign registered company he's going to get away with it.  We don't need to travel to Belize to sue you.  We'll do it in your own backyard.

He's a US citizen.
He is operating ActiveMining from the US.
He falls within SEC jurisdiction and US law.

Since he operates the company fully from the US then the Belize corporation is deemed a shell company and the US company/individual is considered liable.

If Ken has done any actual legal homework he would know there is a set presidence for this.
25  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process on: January 24, 2014, 03:25:35 AM
Repeated cross-post from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4699685#msg4699685

Ken Slaughter thinks his personal debt is more important than all other Weex users and is using his book education in Indian law to personally keep 100+ BTC worth of shares that I have been trying to sell to distribute to WeEx debtors.

He has gone as far as laugh it off with "good luck gong to belize to sue us"


I will explain it to you, a corporation has a lien on its shares for any sums owed by a shareholder, so we have a lien on your shares.  You are the owner of Bitfunder and the funds where on Bitfunder.  Because they where transferred to WeEx in a contract that you had with them does not relieve you of your obligation to pay us our funds.  Also, 38 BTC was left on Bitfunder and I have screenshots of it being there.  I did not authorize it to be transferred to WeEx.

Also from PM:
Just to give you a fair warning, there are a lot of laws in the us about disclosing customer information.

Good luck going to Belize to sue us.

I will explain it to you, a corporation has a lien on its shares for any sums owed by a shareholder, so we have a lien on your shares.  You are the owner of Bitfunder and the funds where on Bitfunder.  Because they where transferred to WeEx in a contract that you had with them does not relieve you of your obligation to pay us our funds.  Also, 38 BTC was left on Bitfunder and I have screenshots of it being there.  I did not authorize it to be transferred to WeEx.

The shares have a lien on them.  You are hereby notified that if the ~100 BTC is not paid in the next 10 days, we will sell your shares to the public to satisfy your debt to the company.  Should the shares not satisfy your debt to the company you will still be liable for the remaining debt.  Any amouts over the debt will be disperse to you less any cost of the sale.

I appreciate your 'good luck to sue us'. That's a real show of character.
I suggest all shareholders take heed of this warning.
What is wrong with posting your history? Are you afraid of something? You seem pretty concerned if your willing to make threats over it.

Notice was given 45 days before the transfer from BitFunder to WeExchange.
The site was shutting down and it was known to you that the only method of bitcoin transfer is via WeExchange which you accepted and used.

You should have no funds left on BitFunder. Any account that was properly linked (Which would be the ActM official account) had its full balance transferred. I think everyone is well aware that only a few people who had linking issues with weex have a small stuck balance.

How is it you have an account with 38btc that is not ActM that you are linking into this?
How many more accounts exactly did you create for trading on BitFunder than the handful I know of?
I suppose I will have to do a more in depth search on all of you ip addresses, linked accounts and addresses.
Why have you not claimed or reported this stuck 38btc prior?
You have not mentioned the 6% claimed from the portal yet either and subtracted that.

In the end, your argument is that I owe you XXX btc personally.
If your argument holds up then that means you are not the only debtor.
If this was the case, as someone mentioned prior, any funds of mine would need to be proportionally distributed.
This is not a mechanics lien.  You did not do work or provide services. You do not have first right to the funds.
Also I see you are not including "legal costs" of unspecified amounts into what you plan to take from any proceeds.
It sounds like no matter what, your intention it to keep 100% for your personal issues.

And just because you are CEO of a company does not mean you can abuse that authority on behalf of your own personal
problems and desires.

So to be clear, you are using your position as CEO of a company to force a sale of a shareholders shares to ensure your personal BTC losses are covered before other debtors can claim their portion when you have absolutely no evidence to show that the shareholder has directly owes you anything.

You do understand the difference between a corporation and an individual?
I hope you have this same understanding with accounting practices and funds.

WeExchange has a debt to many individuals and not just you.

Again, why the sudden rush and need to sell the shares? Why can't they just be locked worst case scenario?
You seem desperate. Why? I figure it will take you at least 2~3 more months to finish buying back ActM shares.
Why the need for threats? What is it you are so afraid of?

I bet people would love to see the complete shareholder listing as it stands. Would probably be more interesting
if ownership names could be included / proven.

Also, for a lien you must file something, somewhere with a valid reason and provide notification to the person you are filing against.
Normally, unless it is a mechanics lien, you file a lien against a person or entity.

I think you need to talk to your Belize lawyers and not whatever lawyer gave you a book quote rather than an official statutory listing.
(Personally, I would fire that lawyer and hire a new one.)

I found your link very interesting though. How about linking some documentation regarding Belize Corporate law instead?
Unless this is a confession that you are operating as a Indian entity and these are shares of an Indian entity?
You do realize that book is about Corporate laws in India... right? Your lawyer must be short on time and not taken notice.
Next time you are gasping at straws, you should check the first few chapters for relevance and stop trying to mislead people.

(For those of you who are curious, start with page 2. Definition of a company regarding the Companies Act of 1956. (India) and
the following line of "a company formed and registered under previous Company Laws in India."
I am going to go out of my way to say that you have had absolutely zero legal advice and are acting solely based on random google searches
and relying on "Well let him try something." rather than doing things properly.
I truly hope for those who have invested into ActM that you run your business better than this.

Please stop being inconsistent and show people if you actually have an understanding of the things you are talking about.
It's almost like you are purposefully misleading people.

(For anyone curious, feel free to call a US corporate lawyer for a free consultation and ask about shareholder rights and liens.)
Then again, that's US law, not Brazilian.

I response to your unofficial "notice of lien" hereby request that you post the contact information for your corporate Belize lawyers or PM it to me so I can contact them to make arrangements so this can be handled properly and officially. I will make sure that any documents are released to the public so they are fully aware of the situation.

Please keep in mind that your professional manner in handling this situation dictates how you will and ActM will be viewed going forward.
As a ActM shareholder and I am sure many others agree, if ActM is to succeed, it must act properly and not arbitrarily or expose the
company to unnecessary risks.

Stop acting so desperate and do things right.

Thank You,
Ukyo
26  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 24, 2014, 03:22:06 AM
I will explain it to you, a corporation has a lien on its shares for any sums owed by a shareholder, so we have a lien on your shares.  You are the owner of Bitfunder and the funds where on Bitfunder.  Because they where transferred to WeEx in a contract that you had with them does not relieve you of your obligation to pay us our funds.  Also, 38 BTC was left on Bitfunder and I have screenshots of it being there.  I did not authorize it to be transferred to WeEx.

Also from PM:
Just to give you a fair warning, there are a lot of laws in the us about disclosing customer information.

Good luck going to Belize to sue us.

I will explain it to you, a corporation has a lien on its shares for any sums owed by a shareholder, so we have a lien on your shares.  You are the owner of Bitfunder and the funds where on Bitfunder.  Because they where transferred to WeEx in a contract that you had with them does not relieve you of your obligation to pay us our funds.  Also, 38 BTC was left on Bitfunder and I have screenshots of it being there.  I did not authorize it to be transferred to WeEx.

The shares have a lien on them.  You are hereby notified that if the ~100 BTC is not paid in the next 10 days, we will sell your shares to the public to satisfy your debt to the company.  Should the shares not satisfy your debt to the company you will still be liable for the remaining debt.  Any amouts over the debt will be disperse to you less any cost of the sale.

I appreciate your 'good luck to sue us'. That's a real show of character.
I suggest all shareholders take heed of this warning.
What is wrong with posting your history? Are you afraid of something? You seem pretty concerned if your willing to make threats over it.

Notice was given 45 days before the transfer from BitFunder to WeExchange.
The site was shutting down and it was known to you that the only method of bitcoin transfer is via WeExchange which you accepted and used.

You should have no funds left on BitFunder. Any account that was properly linked (Which would be the ActM official account) had its full balance transferred. I think everyone is well aware that only a few people who had linking issues with weex have a small stuck balance.

How is it you have an account with 38btc that is not ActM that you are linking into this?
How many more accounts exactly did you create for trading on BitFunder than the handful I know of?
I suppose I will have to do a more in depth search on all of you ip addresses, linked accounts and addresses.
Why have you not claimed or reported this stuck 38btc prior?
You have not mentioned the 6% claimed from the portal yet either and subtracted that.

In the end, your argument is that I owe you XXX btc personally.
If your argument holds up then that means you are not the only debtor.
If this was the case, as someone mentioned prior, any funds of mine would need to be proportionally distributed.
This is not a mechanics lien.  You did not do work or provide services. You do not have first right to the funds.
Also I see you are not including "legal costs" of unspecified amounts into what you plan to take from any proceeds.
It sounds like no matter what, your intention it to keep 100% for your personal issues.

And just because you are CEO of a company does not mean you can abuse that authority on behalf of your own personal
problems and desires.

So to be clear, you are using your position as CEO of a company to force a sale of a shareholders shares to ensure your personal BTC losses are covered before other debtors can claim their portion when you have absolutely no evidence to show that the shareholder has directly owes you anything.

You do understand the difference between a corporation and an individual?
I hope you have this same understanding with accounting practices and funds.

WeExchange has a debt to many individuals and not just you.

Again, why the sudden rush and need to sell the shares? Why can't they just be locked worst case scenario?
You seem desperate. Why? I figure it will take you at least 2~3 more months to finish buying back ActM shares.
Why the need for threats? What is it you are so afraid of?

I bet people would love to see the complete shareholder listing as it stands. Would probably be more interesting
if ownership names could be included / proven.

Also, for a lien you must file something, somewhere with a valid reason and provide notification to the person you are filing against.
Normally, unless it is a mechanics lien, you file a lien against a person or entity.

I think you need to talk to your Belize lawyers and not whatever lawyer gave you a book quote rather than an official statutory listing.
(Personally, I would fire that lawyer and hire a new one.)

I found your link very interesting though. How about linking some documentation regarding Belize Corporate law instead?
Unless this is a confession that you are operating as a Indian entity and these are shares of an Indian entity?
You do realize that book is about Corporate laws in India... right? Your lawyer must be short on time and not taken notice.
Next time you are gasping at straws, you should check the first few chapters for relevance and stop trying to mislead people.

(For those of you who are curious, start with page 2. Definition of a company regarding the Companies Act of 1956. (India) and
the following line of "a company formed and registered under previous Company Laws in India."
I am going to go out of my way to say that you have had absolutely zero legal advice and are acting solely based on random google searches
and relying on "Well let him try something." rather than doing things properly.
I truly hope for those who have invested into ActM that you run your business better than this.

Please stop being inconsistent and show people if you actually have an understanding of the things you are talking about.
It's almost like you are purposefully misleading people.

(For anyone curious, feel free to call a US corporate lawyer for a free consultation and ask about shareholder rights and liens.)
Then again, that's US law, not Brazilian.

I response to your unofficial "notice of lien" hereby request that you post the contact information for your corporate Belize lawyers or PM it to me so I can contact them to make arrangements so this can be handled properly and officially. I will make sure that any documents are released to the public so they are fully aware of the situation.

Please keep in mind that your professional manner in handling this situation dictates how you will and ActM will be viewed going forward.
As a ActM shareholder and I am sure many others agree, if ActM is to succeed, it must act properly and not arbitrarily or expose the
company to unnecessary risks.

Stop acting so desperate and do things right.

Thank You,
Ukyo
27  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 23, 2014, 11:30:47 AM
If you want to play hard-ball Ukyo lets do it.

I think Ken should sue you for the damage to our business that will have occurred due to these funds being lost. We could have used this money for many tasks but Ken has had to take it off our balance sheet. We have not been able to plan around these funds.

I expect a million dollar law suit would put you into debt for the rest of your life and its something we have a high chance of winning. Lets play ball.

Who said anything about playing anything?

I simply stated the facts.

Besides, Ken has the right to sue for his personal btc should he choose just like everyone.
However theft for theft for his own personal reasons is probably not good either.
Beit considered theft from me or theft from weex users. I have already said many times
that my intentions were to sell the share to distribute the proceeds to weex users.

There is nothing new in anything I have said. Just putting everything into prospective.

Ken just wants to make sure he gets his personal btc before everyone else.


28  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 23, 2014, 10:30:34 AM
Also it occurs to me that its amazing there are more updates about my personal shares than about ActM.

If everything is paid for, why are you so desperate for your 100btc worth?
Why not leave the shares locked until I have paid everyone back. Are you now having to heavily count on this 100btc?
This small fraction of btc that was taken in even though everything's been paid for?
Is it really worth the legal risk for the company to make arbitrary decisions with these shares or are you just in such a horrible need of money?

Be the risk from me, a court appointed trustee, or weex users ?

Seems like a rather rash and fast decision without need.
29  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 23, 2014, 10:12:54 AM
We are selling Ukyo shares on Crypto-Trade to recover our losses on Bitfunder.

We will start moving Investors shares to Crypto-Trade within the next 7 days.

I truly hope you have some plans for the following:

a. be able to distribute funds from the sale to weex users in debt.
or
b. explain to a court appointed handler where portions of my assets are.
(As well as explain to other weex users why your debt is more important than theirs)


Also:
What do you plan to do with all remaining funds?
It is no secret that there are plenty of shares to cover your personal accounts 100btc.
Or is the plan to continue to give no information at all, continue without any new information dates
with the last information of any kind about 5 months ago being a broken deadline so cause the prices
of ActM shares to drop so much you can continue to buy them back for pennies on the dollar compared
to what you pumped them to and be able to claim that all the shares I hold are worth less than the 100btc
you are personally having an issue with?

To be clear: I have no issues with 100% of funds from the sale of all ActM Shares assigned to me to be distributed to weex users.
Everyone should be able to see the numbers.

-Ukyo
30  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] G.ASICMINER-PT on: January 23, 2014, 03:10:34 AM
My guess is that when I sent the list on the 8th for that week which only had the totals due for past dividends (Since I did not have the new dividend amount) is what FriedCat went back and paid out and then including the divs for that weeks dividend and did not go back and add the dividends for the 8th.

-Ukyo
31  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] G.ASICMINER-PT on: January 22, 2014, 12:30:20 AM
Update:

Most all shares have been claimed.
The remaining list of shares (mostly 1 and 2 counts) have been provided to FriedCat.

Since he has not responded in a week, I am going with the assumption that he plans to continue with those who have not claimed in the last month. If he says otherwise the system will go back up with about 2 week intervals.

Ukyo
32  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process on: January 17, 2014, 06:07:20 AM
Sorry if this was already addressed but I don't have time to go through all the posts.
My weex account is now showing 0 available, 0 withdrawn, 0 everything. Is this happening to anybody else?
thx

This issue should now be fixed.

Thanks,
-Ukyo
33  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: January 09, 2014, 06:20:48 AM

Just for the record, TF did actually make a "payout" of some of the value of BTCINVEST shares, by depositing the some BTC into shareholders Coinlenders accounts- 0.08684 BTC paid out per share. He said this was "primarily Just Dice" along with some other assets". #263

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135157.msg3447344#msg3447344

I believe that some shareholders were sensible enough to immediately withdraw that payment. Most, including myself, probably didn't and lost that "payment" along with the rest of their Coinlenders account balance when TF disappeared with probably somewhere in the region of 10,000 stolen BTC.

Here is the original post stating that he was going to liquidate holdings and wind down BTCINVEST. #283

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135157.msg3412811#msg3412811

As I suspect that there are very few Asicminer shares still recoverable (under 42 has been mentioned), and possibly there could be something to recover from BtcQuick (has anyone made enquiries with them?), I assume that the only shares which still might have any value would be Ukyo and Graet loans. Therefore I still think that the best course of action for BTCINVEST shareholders to recover anything would be to ask for Ukyo's assistance with this.

Note: Links to posts don't seem to be working properly, you have to look down the page to find the correct post.


This was not a full payoff for the shares either. It was a a distribution of some funds.
While I may not have the ability to give users access to coinlenders to get what was there, as long as the remaining asset operators agree, we can sell/auction off the remaining assets and distribute them proportionally based on a list prior to TF transfers.

-Ukyo
34  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund | Market cap: 2000+ BTC on: January 08, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
the problem is i am not on the list.
i had 6 shares. i have transferred them to coinlenders but it i got nothing.
my address is 1bbxx....

sad story.


Assets Transfered to Issuers
Asset    Amount
BTCINVEST    6

I would be able to make a more accurate list reversing transfers to TF.
Everyone seems to be in agreement that he paid out nothing to anyone.

-Ukyo
35  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] G.ASICMINER-PT on: January 08, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
I was late sending the list to FC due to a network issue outside of my control.
If it was as easy as taking a laptop to a Starbucks or McDonald's I would have.
I sat up all night waiting for things to be fixed.

The latest list of claims has already been sent to him.

If he will make additional dividend payouts before next week, I do not know.

I sincerely apologize for this.

As of now roughly 90% +/- of shares have been claimed.

-Ukyo
36  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Ukyo.Loan - Paying 0.05% daily. on: January 07, 2014, 01:06:54 AM
Ukyo, Can you tell us what you invested the BTC in?

Also why can you not liquidate these holding to repay some of the BTC owed?
He at least invested in Labcoin and ActiveMining (it's easy to find posts or IRC logs saying so), but I suppose (giving the benefit of the doubt) this is mostly Ukyo.Loan.

Well I guess that answers why he cannot liquidate.   

Incorrect.
I put around 200~250btc of my personal funds in between ActM and LC.
As you stated though, LC did not work out for anyone, and no one knows the current state of ActM. If there is a state at all.
Ken is currently holding everyone's shares of ActM hostage by not following through on re-listing ActM as he said many weeks ago or provided any updates.

Quote
[18:59] <Sebastan1> ukyo... ken doesnt do manual transfers
[19:00] <Sebastan1> i asked once
[19:00] <Ukyo> how long ago?
[19:01] <Sebastan1> after the shares were hold with ken only...

So for anyone who thinks that Ken is only locking my shares of ActM, they probably do not realize it is because all shares are locked.

The funds that were invested are not in a form of "shares" that could easily be liquidated.

-Ukyo
37  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: January 05, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
Thanks Ukyo.

I've sent a PM to you a couple of days back - haven't received a response yet...

If you still have BTC stuck on BitFunder then PM me and I will help you get it migrated into the claim portal.

-Ukyo

The answer to your PM is that those funds 'stuck' on the weex portal are what you have that is 'unavailable'.
This is the same for everyone.
What you will have access to is the amount listed to 'available' once I finish fixing the current bitcoind issue.

-Ukyo
38  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading on: January 05, 2014, 11:00:06 PM
Thanks Ukyo.

I've sent a PM to you a couple of days back - haven't received a response yet...

If you still have BTC stuck on BitFunder then PM me and I will help you get it migrated into the claim portal.

-Ukyo

+1 ... me too

I apologies, I have am still quite a bit behind on PM's with everything going on.
I will get each of you a response right now.

-Ukyo
39  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Ukyo.Loan - Paying 0.05% daily. on: January 05, 2014, 10:59:12 PM
Ouch, bummer.

Did the stuff you invested in with the loan deliver some BTC over the last few months? (And did you keep it out of WeEx? :p)

Not yet. That's why things are still in progress. :/
I would like to see some positive results by end of Jan.
It just depends on all the bureaucracy and red tape involved for some of it.

-Ukyo
40  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process on: January 05, 2014, 10:55:07 PM
At this point, things can not be any more than 6% worse.  94% of the money is gone.
You were told that NeoBee is helping to resolve this "problem."  The statement was later recanted by Danny, who now claims it's his personal hobby project.
You were told that your questions will be answered in 3 days 5 days "sorry bro, wish I could tell you but no."
Jon threatened to throw WeEx into bankruptcy to stop people from litigating for their money.
Jon has made a strong case for legal action being ineffective, which leaves illegal action as the only recourse for those who don't enjoy being punked as much as you do.

Just to be clear. I am not threatening to "throw" weexchange into bankruptcy.
As I have stated many times, I wish to avoid this as well so that things can be corrected.
What I stated is how "others" can _force it into bankruptcy_ with a checkmate leaving it no choice.
Currently there is a choice, and there is no requirement to do this at this time.

-Ukyo
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