I might add they offer hero and legendary members a weekly 0.1 bonus to keep quiet...
Since they are not using any escrow it seems their campaigns are high risk now. Very high possibility they will stop paying on the week they end their operation. Participants should ask for the escrow despite it being a campaign with high payout. I remember someone who offered escrow just to prevent people from being scammed, maybe he should offer it now. |
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Eh, I've already been blacklisted for a lot of things, and who made quickseller a cop  ? (to me he is just ambitious and a guy without any empathy) Also, if I would have further provided a signed message from earlier addresses then QS would have simply said that I control all the addresses of puzzle.me. I don't think that would have still helped me to prove my innocence(which I am) He might be busy, maybe he'll answer you later. He is not a cop, but is simply warning people of potential scams . But in the same process doing a lot of unwanted damage as well. He is also doing it unfairly as seen before. But in your case there is no evidence from your side to put forward a counter argument. |
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Interesting I though the campaign manager denied everything in connection to cloud mining, but now their ad says they are a cloud mining company?
Seems to me they are guerilla marketing their site. They are heavily advertising their website with all the twitter/signature campaigns and expecting a few people to fall for their services. Since their investment plan is of too high a price, they only need few customers for it to work |
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I find a couple of things like lending in the lending section as you can hold a colateral in return and have a safe investments. Most of the other forms investments with bitcoin are very risky for bitcoins.
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I don't think its accounts hacked from the hack. It would be stupid to use the accounts for posting spam to a referral link as that would generate a much smaller profit than using it for other purposes. |
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And okay, my saying that the accounts were bought is not enough but quickseller saying that the accounts were not bought is enough? Double standards.
And moreover all I can claim is that I have done a lot of account trading in the past and QS knows it, we even discussed about one of my trade, and I never thought that trading accounts(without signed messages) for a mere profit would become so hectic for me in the future.
Any account trader would know that negative trust accounts could become trouble in future. The only thing you can do to avoid it in future is as an account trader is atleast have some proof for it. The reason is that every scammer on the forum can simply say that he bought the account and deleted the message and get away with it.
And okay, my saying that the accounts were bought is not enough but quickseller saying that the accounts were not bought is enough? Double standards.
No Double Standards. A Cop busts person A for being in possession of documents that were stolen . The documents are the originals and are exactly the ones stolen. Person A claims he bought them off someone else through ebay, but has forgotten the account details for his account. Cops won't release him and believe his story. They will probably charge him or atleast blacklist him for a lot of things. Thats how the current trust rating on your account is. QS still ignoring my questions ? |
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I have a couple of things to add but before I do I have a question for Quickseller. I am not against him finding alts of scammers as thats partly what I did from my old account. But I am against his negative trust on my account as I clearly provided enough proof I am not a scammer. @Quickseller in the Op you say After I explained to him that his claim did not fit the timeline, I told him that I would need some evidence of the purchase of puzzel.me for me to remove the neutral, he told me that he deleted his old PM's and did not have it.
I actually did provide proof that the account(Twipple) was bought and even had master-p login and check: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11475642#msg11475642Any reason why you are still reluctant to remove the negative or atleast make it neutral ? As for this thread @bitcoinquiz . If someone buys an account , then its his responsibility to have the messages as proof for future purposes if the accounts are under scam accusation . Specially in this case where I believe alts of puzzle.me were under red trust before you purchased them. Since you have literally no proof for it, just saying things isn't proof. Also you say puzzle.me was bought on PD. Can you provide transaction id's or account transfers done on Primedice(not sure if transactions from that back can still be accessed) ? |
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Name: Twipple
Posts: 454
Activity: 252
Position: Sr. Member
Bitcoin Address: 173VkcNEJSYwpnc1qAvQjuv2ygmMeWKaVt
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Nice to see him getting out of the DT2. He makes decisions based on certain assumptions and no solid proofs and he doesn't even care to listen what the other person is saying in his defence. He is just a troll and keeps on repeating the accusations again and again. He is doing anything and everything to catch other(for what they didn't do) just for the sake of satisfying his ego and hoping that he could be the next Vod.
There is unfortunately no denying that. Out of all the scam accusations I have seen by Quickseller most of them were never removed if they started a thread on the forum. After a few PM's I sent , he had also stopped listening to me. IN a similar case as mine, he even removed the negative rep after that user used QS as an escrow to sell the account. While he is effective in spotting out scams, he does add a lot of wrong and inappropriate reputation . A better solution would be to have him post scam accusations in the appropriate forum and wait for enough conclusive evidence to be gathered before having a negative trust added to the account. |
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I seriously don't think that Marco or any other pirated copy of James Bond will try to frame ndnhc. It's most probably a member who was a part of the dadice campaign and who recently was removed/denied payment by the campaign tried to frame ndnhc. Only ndnhc would be able to check this and expose him as other members here aren't even interested in finding out the culprit. The newbie account hasn't been active since May 28th and it's likely that he/she would try to come back with another account and scam someone else. Rather than arguing about the former case, the forum needs to know the real culprit.
Fair point. That is why my list of suspects isn't just 2 or 3 members.  I am not going to bother about this. I got to manage and fix the campaign I am responsible for. You don't need to bother about finding the culprit dear but just be alert now as the scammer can try to attack you once again (hatred being the reason). I'm sure there are many members here who are experienced in finding about such scammers.  One thing also to note , not that it matters but even if in the future you happen to scam , it can easily be concluded to say you are being framed I still believe QS to be responsible for this though , and he made it quick before people started pointing more fingers at him. Right now resolving the negative trust on you was the best move for him , to avoid any questiosn raised whether it was him who tried to frame you. |
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Maybe you guys should also read the theory I posted why it could be Quickseller. Anyways, I am tired of trying to defend myself for the negative trust on my account, specially by TBZ at first, even after posting all the proof. It clearly shows how broken the trust system is.
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Mr. Mark White is also pretty much shopped.
Yeah, his forefinger makes that obvious. Even the cloudthink logo on that doesn't look right and is just put there with MS paint or something. , your posts have insulted me, CloudThink as a whole and my colleagues. I am really trying to be diplomatic about this but I can safely assume that your intentions are bad and you do not deserve even a second of our time. Your false accusations, insults and threats which you keep sending will be sent to the moderators. We don't like to this kind of things but we see that your intentions are different from what you say here and you have made great efforts to hurt our business. Twipple, you are a horrible human being and I hope you will stop this madness as soon as possible. You are doing harm to a lot of people who do not deserve it and I will do anything in my power to make the community see what kind of human you are. Thanks for the compliment. I don't care about your business or your reputation. A lot of other people have pointed out your scam. It isn't called insulting. Also you say " Your false accusations, insults and threats which you keep sending will be sent to the moderators. " When did I even send you a message, care to prove it ? As for posting on this thread , Its a free forum. Mods don't go about blocking people who point out scams. Do whatever you like, I don't care. Your business is full of false information. With fake photos on your site, incorrect information about your business. You agreed to the photos being fake. Soon that will happen with your company , when you will say the company was fake during which you will pull an exit scam. Sorry that someone figured out your scam before you could have that investment on the testinomial video/logo/website generate an ROI through your ponzi. Its also funny that you are coming after me after I posted only 2 posts on this thread, when a lot of others did the same. |
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@mirjangka if you are an employee, can you ask your boss and tell us when was the company founded ?
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Everything is possible here in the forum, who knows? Maybe he forgot to 'own' that address and posted it or maybe forgot to have signed the TX with those 2 addresses. A control of the IP by the staff will help, but I don't think they will moderate the 'scam accusations'.
The real question is; if you create an account solely to extort people for money, would you (of 4 posts) make 3 scam related posts, and one conveniently placed post with your addy?
Not a chance; this is framing 101BTW staff not moderating trust and scams is what gives scammers here what they need to create this kind of confusion. It's a bloody shame. cheers You can't blame it on staff policy. The policy is there because staff could get a decision wrong too (not to mention we don't have time to get involved with everybodies issues). Staff involvement could also prove inconclusive. Whoever tried the extortion whether it be ndnhc or someone else could have just used tor or another proxy. It would only be clear cut if they used a computer/connection or an account linked to someone else but they very likely didn't. Maybe you could ask BadBear if there's any links to him or someone else but like I said it'll still likely be inconclusive. I feel the staff can help with the trust ratings and all in some way. It just has to be sorted out . And in some cases decisions can be taken without much consideration , for example https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073373.0The guy who actually did the message is still sitting without a negative rep, and whereas I still have it. And in case like this the guy TBZ doesn't even care to negative trust the person responsible. He just gave me the negative trust , even when all the proof has been posted. |
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- Company in UK but somehow this Indonesian guy is the representative.
There is a huge gap of posting from January to March , post #33 and #34, I suspect that the account has change ownership because after the huge gap of post, the posting of the account is using a much better english. If you check on the previous post before, the original owner seems to have a crappy english The previous owner is also active in the Indonesian forums which makes it certain he is not from the UK. The only excuse I see coming up from it is him saying that he is just a representative. |
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Back on-topic: Sigh, I just want to see ndnhc's response. The entire ordeal is quite confusing and now we have a bunch of theories popping up.
I am just going to say this again, maybe you guys should consider what I said before . Ok, I just have a theory which may or may not be true . But it is a possibility . I have never done business with ndnhc . But I happened to have used an address recently on purpose which was related to him. Kind of something I did on random but not to toss around any accusations, It was for something I do not wish to disclose, neither will I . The address I posted in a way was linked to ndnhc . edit: And No it wasn't the address what question2 posted. Recently after my account was wrongly accused of something I am not even remotely related with. Quickseller even gave me a negative trust because of it . I even started a few threads on Meta against Quickseller denying all the things, and providing proof that I bought the account , and It seemed to have pissed him off. Now no one knew that I posted that address and it was related to ndhnc, but only Quickseller did, probably because he was stalking me since a while to find something to relate me to a scam or something. Anyways, he never even talked about bought it until today. Now suddenly I saw this thread today , and I didn't want to get related to ndnhc, from the address I posted a couple weeks back , so naturally I went ahead and deleted it. Now suddenly all of a sudden Quickseller posted this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473720#msg11473720He claimed and knew about the address I had posted. Here is what I believe: Quickseller is pissed off with me , since I might be one reason he went off the trust list, even though he is back now. I believe he created an alt question2 to get it a negative trust. He tried to get ransom from another user Joca who he found out had an alt account somehow. (Only Quickseller is good enough to figure out alts so well) . Then he posted some guy's address, which in a way linked to someone, I had posted an address to about couple days back. I believe the next step after ndnhc denying everything , would be Quickseller claiming of me to have posted an address related to ndnhc , and he would claim, that I am question2, and therefore getting negative trust on me permanently, and him taking revenge with me. Here is why I believe so: I was just looking at all the threads and question2's activity on the forum. It seems question2 posted a thread against Joca on May 10th. Now, I don't really expect someone to be following some scammer for a long time, since there are so many people on the forum with negative trust. question2 posted the address just yesterday : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996260.msg11467648#msg11467648at 9:44 PM. And just after , Quickseller started this thread, like he has been following the scammer from a long time, which I see no reason why he would do so, and that too from a Games and Rounds thread. After this Quickseller made that post today https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473720#msg11473720Looking at the whole thing, I now feel Quickseller is only doing so , to get me a permanent negative trust in a way revenge by him . Again, I can't be sure, but I see no other reason why Quickseller follows me like crazy, and didn't even post about that address before, even after I was accused of being an alt of a scammer by him. He also happened to be following that other guy question2 , right when he posted the address, and started the scam accusation. Now before this gets to me, I wanted to clarify everything about what I feel on this. I already have a negative trust by quickseller, wouldn't bother if I get more anyways. This theory is only true, if ndnhc denies the accusation against him. Its just a hunch that I have because of a few things. One of them is the address user question2 posted 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE , if you look it up on blockchain, it hasn't had any transaction in the last 5 months, which could mean 2 things. ndnhc was trying to use another address for the giveaway, or someone is trying to frame him . 1. Quickseller assumes and is assured of me being an alt of a scammer, so in a way he considers me to be a scammer. 2. He saw the address I posted many days back. But if he knew it was ndhnc's , he didn't bother posting about it till yesterday. In the normal scenario he is pretty quick on posting like this one, so I don't see any reason why he didn't post it a few days back . I feel he wanted to get rid of my requests to have negative trust removed , so he planted question2 posting that address. I have seen only QS doing such kind of research into every user. But there is also another possibility :
Fact is that he was too good of a btctalk member to try to scam, let alone for pocket change.
Anyone who thinks that extortionist created a new account to blackmail, and didnt bother to use newly generated address for dumb giveaway is not thinking straight.
I rest this case, seams that people want to blame no matter how dumb it seams.
ndhnc did manage the campaign. There is no one else who would research into alts of Joca, unless they have some sort of grudge against him, or have looked into his posting history, which probably ndhnc could do as he is known to check history of posters in his signature campaign. |
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@mirjangka I couldn't find an announcement thread on the forum for Cloudthink. When was the company launched in the beginning ? Maybe you should also start an ANN thread.
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If the account he is selling is Ume, then why he said neutral trust in op?
What I meant is that if he is selling one of his alts, then he is probably doing it due to the scam accusation. It is likely to be negative repped in the future. |
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