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2021  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Martingale revisited on: December 11, 2019, 04:02:05 PM
My strategy was : bet on 66.6% win chance and make 1 satoshi bet initially until you get at least 2 losses in a row and then increase the stake to 0.1% of balance and if still lost, increase amount by 3x and once you win, just reset.

Personally worked nicely for me, but then again as I did it for larger number of rolls, I faced the sad reality

People are massively underestimating the power of variance

Or, which is essentially the same, the potentially devastating effect of outliers. You can run a particular martingale setup for days on end, and not see a losing streak longer than, say, 10 reds. This gives you a false and utterly destructive sense of safety and confidence. Then reality kicks in, and you hit, or got hit by, an outlier like 20 reds in a row all of a sudden, after which your balance is emptied. You should expect losing streaks up to 25 reds on a 50% win chance if you want to stay in the game long enough
2022  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Халвинг Лайткоинга, чего ожидать on: December 11, 2019, 02:20:20 PM
Да и невыгодно тем же Штатам топить Биткоин, он для них слишком полезен, поскольку плюшек от него больше, чем какашек. Как говорится, если бы его не было, то его стоило бы придумать. Вот его взяли и придумали

Со всем что вы до этого выше писали согласен, а с этим утверждением никак не могу согласиться.
Я считаю что как раз биткоин может представлять для штатов серьезную опасность. Если рядовой американец начнет покупать битки себе на пенсию с каждой зарплаты это может иметь серьезные последствия для доллара

И на что потом будет жить рядовой американец?

Здесь дело в другом. Если даже исходить из презумпции смертельной опасности битка для фиатных валют (что само по себе весьма вольное допущение), то Биткоин Штатам оказывается в целом выгоден, поскольку именно для Америки как ведущей экономики мира он представляет наименьшую угрозу. Другими словами, пока толстый сохнет, худой сдохнет. Ну это примерно как в том анекдоте про двух туристов и медведя - Штатам не нужно быть сильнее битка, им достаточно быть сильнее других

его просто будут использовать без спроса и в этой ситуации штаты потеряют очень много денег

Что там пишут про бабушку, которая хотела быть дедушкой?

Да и с покупкой крипты у меня не очень ладится, что не купишь - всё падает )

Можно купить (зачеркнуто) продать в короткую
2023  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Truly Random is Random on: December 11, 2019, 09:02:41 AM
For example, we can't understand what self-awareness and consciousness as one's mind and thoughts are because we simply don't have such an ability in us. Simply put, it is not so much for the lack of knowledge as for the lack of required capacity to process and interpret this knowledge. The same may be equally true for randomness (and probably a host of other phenomena). We are like ants trying to figure out things outside an anthill

So, is there a hope? I mean, currently, it is considered that with any truly random processes absolutely anything can happen next. If you just hit 99.99 on dice it doesn't mean you won't hit the same number again in the very next roll

You likely won't hit the same number again

But given that there is in fact a certain form of "memory" (I actually like how you came up with this term), the chances of hitting the next number close to that first roll seem to be higher. Speaking generally, "not having memory" should be equally applicable to both ends of the rolling spectrum, i.e. to the roll before and the roll after (i.e. hitting 0.02 is as likely, or unlikely, as hitting 99.98 after that first roll). However, if there weren't some "short-range" memory (not speaking about dice here), you would inevitably face a uniform distribution, which is not random (read, you can in fact use these irregularities to your advantage, though not sure about dice)

They say, random processes "do not have memory", and thus it is impossible for past outcomes to affect future ones. So, while certain patterns are undoubtedly being formed, we can see them only post factum?

"Post factum" here starts right after you see the first outcome (which your betting example proves). In other words, if you rolled high, bet on high next time (and vice versa). However, keep in mind that the house edge may still offset the tiny skew you are trying to exploit with this approach. Moreover, the outcomes in dice might in fact be pretty close to uniform after all (read, they are not truly random)

And it is also lovely how a seemingly simple gambling question quickly escalated into a metaphysical one

Strictly speaking, I started this thread specifically with "metaphysical" in mind. Gambling just happens to be the closest to it, apart from being the right place where to discuss these questions

If we look for absolute randomness, I am afraid there is none. Not in a toss of a coin or a roll of a dice, not even in the movements of the atoms in a single object, and not in the workings of the universe. Everything factored in, there is no result which we can consider an absolute random one

If we are really like ants from the post above, the problem goes far beyond that
2024  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is the main purpose in gambling, always to make more money? on: December 11, 2019, 07:42:12 AM
Does gambling have a main purpose, to start with?
We do have different purpose in gambling. A for me, my purpose is to win a profit and to have fun at the same time

These are essentially the same feelings

Actually, it can be imagined that a player stops having fun when he constantly wins, as well as having fun for losing money (even though the latter requires quite an extraordinary amount of imagination, I daresay). But in gambling these two things ("wins and funs") are pretty much synonymous, given that great wins demand as extraordinary an amount of luck and they don't come too often (typically being followed or preceded by as great if not greater losses)

2025  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you have control or not? on: December 11, 2019, 07:05:23 AM
Being a gambling addict is not just about losing all your money. Some people are becoming an addict because of their winnings, they are addicted to win!

It is definitely not about some people

Unless you are a billionaire, and have been that way since your infancy (read, you've been born into wealth), you can't help becoming addicted to wins. Wins give you that supreme and unequaled feeling of being in control of your life, even your fate itself. In fact, we can call that a state of bliss or euphoria (provided you are actually winning)

So it is kind of normal and expected to become an addict of wins at almost all times and under virtually any circumstances. But the problem is, it is next to impossible to book profits in a casino all the time (which wins are about in this environment), or even most of the time for your average gambler in the long haul
2026  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Халвинг Лайткоинга, чего ожидать on: December 10, 2019, 06:32:22 PM
Буквально вчера была проведена такая атака на монету Vertcoin, злоумышленникам удалось создать цепочку из 600 поддельных блоков. При этом стоимость атаки составила всего 0.5-1 ВТС.
Как бы чего-то подобного не произошло и с LTC в случае дальнейшего падения хешрейта

С лайтом (как и другой топовой криптой) не имеет смысла связываться

Почему? Ответ не очень сложен на самом деле. Потому что перспективы такой атаки совершенно не очевидны, а ее стоимость - высока. Другими словами, можно потратить миллион долларов (или даже сто миллионов) на организацию подобной "провокации" и тупо их потерять, так ничего в итоге и не добившись. С этой точки зрения, выгоднее атаковать мало кому известную крипту, где шансы на успех намного выше, а затраты в целом - ниже, что и показал приведенный пример с Vertcoin (не знаю, что это за монета и зачем она вообще нужна)
Более-менее стоящую монету вообще нет смысла атаковать

Ну так а я про что пишу?

Смысл может быть только у спецслужб желающих уничтожить монету, только они смогут задействовать столько ресурсов чтобы добиться своей "идеологической" цели

В этом случае бить по лайту все равно что воду в ступе толочь

Ну или поросенка стричь, ибо визгу будет много, а шерсти - мало. Гасить свет (зачеркнуто) лайт имеет смысл только в комплекте с битком и только всем табором, так как без скоординированных действий влиятельных государств типа Штатов и Китая (хотел еще написать России, но потом передумал) эффект будет аналогичным. Да и невыгодно тем же Штатам топить Биткоин, он для них слишком полезен, поскольку плюшек от него больше, чем какашек. Как говорится, если бы его не было, то его стоило бы придумать. Вот его взяли и придумали

Да, может цена упасть и сеть вырасти обратно ... но больше "отпугивает" будет ли выпуск в будущем новых асиков под Скрипт, более мощных, более энергоэффективных.

Не дешевле ли просто докупать немного лайта на стоимость розетки в месяц?
2027  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Truly Random is Random on: December 10, 2019, 10:10:47 AM
~ you noticed a pattern, and had been exploiting it for some time. But since bets are random (allegedly), the patterns are random too (necessarily), so it shouldn't in fact have surprised you (had you been aware of this intrinsic property of genuine randomness at the time) that your "strategy" stopped working after some time as another pattern had most certainly revealed itself (which you failed to discover and take advantage of). Patterns are random, but their existence itself is not random at all. It is a feature of a truly random distribution

But the discovery of such patterns can happen only by chance, right? And we have no way of knowing how long they are going to last, right? Or, are we just in the early stage of understanding how it really works? What if the ancient philosopher Democritus, who formulated an atomic theory of the universe around 400 BC, was right saying that randomness is a subjective concept that originated from the inability of humans to understand the nature of events?

I've been thinking about that too

That randomness only exists in our heads partly as an answer to our inability to explain certain events (that we conveniently consider random) but even more so because our reasoning powers in general may be limited. I mean we can't "understand the nature of events" because of the limits of our potential for understanding itself. In other words, we can't explain randomness as it lies beyond our understanding in principle

For example, we can't understand what self-awareness and consciousness as one's mind and thoughts are because we simply don't have such an ability in us. Simply put, it is not so much for the lack of knowledge as for the lack of required capacity to process and interpret this knowledge. The same may be equally true for randomness (and probably a host of other phenomena). We are like ants trying to figure out things outside an anthill
2028  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is the main purpose in gambling, always to make more money? on: December 10, 2019, 07:47:38 AM
Does gambling have a main purpose, to start with?
Are you surely asking that? Gambling is for entertainment, nothing else

It may be true for some people

However, there can be other reasons as well. For example, you could engage in this activity for the purposes of better understanding how probabilities work or even your own mind under stressful conditions. And I'm not even speaking of purely financial reasons that a lot of gamblers stick to

So let's face the somewhat troubling truth here. Many folks are in fact looking not so much for entertainment or personal enjoyment as for easy money. Whether this money will be easy and whether there'll be any money other than their own at all is another question, though (actually, two questions)
2029  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Truly Random is Random on: December 10, 2019, 05:26:02 AM
Which of these definitions says about the lack of random patterns?

"Random pattern" is a misnomer, or an oxymoron. You may mean a randomly repeated pattern, or some pattern algorithm with random "mutations", like IadixDev's example with fractals. If it follows a pattern then it's not random

I would say that depends

That depends on one's frame of reference. You disagree with me because we are looking at the same thing from different levels. On your level, random patterns are a misnomer (which I basically agree with) but I only use this term to better get across my point. What I mean by random patterns should probably be properly called irregularities on their own. But these irregularities could be considered a pattern of randomness at the next logical level (see theory of logical types to better understand my idea)
2030  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Truly Random is Random on: December 09, 2019, 02:24:11 PM
I disagree. Uniform distribution doesn't violates the assumption of randomness, besides, it is still random, for example, if a certain program will distribute 0-9 integers with the same interval (uniform distribution) the numbers that will be distributed will still random, and it will not stop being random, in my opinion

The numbers on their own (i.e. their particular values) will remain random (i.e. the distribution of their values). But since you distribute them evenly across or along something, that distribution will not

Im not sure if randomness is really absence of pattern. Randomness as in chaotic system can have pattern like fractals, but a small change in starting condition will have unpredictible effect on the outcome. In this view randomness is a product of complexity, as number of input factors and relationship between them. Which is why thermodynamics doesnt work in open systems because entropy dominate.

People seem to be confusing two entirely different things

That is, random patterns with repetitive patterns. The former are the characteristic of a random distribution, while the latter of a distribution which is not random. To make things easier to understand and probably to accept, it can be advised to think about the random patterns as irregularities (or grouping). However, if we consider these irregularities at a higher level, their emergence is not random at all


Which of these definitions says about the lack of random patterns?
2031  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Truly Random is Random on: December 09, 2019, 01:39:45 PM
Universe is expanding and has been doing so since the Big Bang. So it can't be in one big clump. It would probably be a very neatly organized sparse cloud of particles if not for randomness, which caused it to stick into various blobs

Should it be construed in the way you think that the distribution of galaxies in the Universe is not random?

That's literally the opposite of what I said. This discussion is going in circles now

That was and had been in fact intended as a question because you didn't say explicitly whether you consider the existing irregularities (I intentionally avoid the word patterns here) in the distribution of galaxies across the Universe as random. Truth be told, you are quite vague and ambiguous on this, deliberately or otherwise. In simple terms, make yourself clear on the matter

That's all I ask (note, not claim, assert, or challenge)

There's not only one pattern in a random distribution as there are many, and their very existence makes a random distribution somewhat less random, from a practical point of view (superstitions or otherwise)

Again, that doesn't fit the basic dictionary definition of random. By definition random doesn't have patterns. If you're seeing patterns then your randomization algorithm is not good (which technically is the case with almost any human-devised algorithm) or you're not actually seeing patterns

What dictionary definition of random do you refer to?
2032  Other / Meta / Re: Why not tokenize the forum? on: December 09, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Well, that is kind of the point. Please re-read our post and try to understand it. Merits can NOT be allowed to be ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE (wide open to abuse) and then at the same time FINANCIALLY REWARD that abuse. Or guess what will happen EVERY TIME.  Yes they will be abused widely and to the max people can get away with. Rendering the entire idea VOID and dangerous

But I agree with you

If you want to say that it can't be this way (read, merits being granted on purely subjective basis) and I say that it can't be any other way (read, merits granted on a set of objective criteria), then the system of merits will be abused, which seems to be the case. Moreover, I've never been fond of merits myself but it could have been worse than that, much worse. Just imagine how flawed and abused this system would become if it were possible to give negative feedback on individual posts

Your statement is also pretty strange to us anyway. Try having a society with no objectively verifiable transparent rules.. Try driving your car on a road with no transparent rules, try playing a sport with no transparent rules

I'm not sure whom you refer to by "us" here

Regardless, I'm not saying anything new as there are no rules other than those society on the whole imposes on its members, road rules included (if that was your point). Some of these rules are more transparent than others, some less (and you'd be surprised how "transparent" are rules in certain sports, e.g. figure skating or rhythmic gymnastics), but there is not any other authority than the society itself. Simply put, you have to live with that

I can see how this can actually devalue signature campaigns by encouraging even more low-quality posts without campaign managers

Care to explain what you mean?
2033  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do you manage your profits in trading? on: December 09, 2019, 10:39:23 AM
If you want your profit to always be fixed in stable currency, it is better to trade in pairs with USDT. The price of Bitcoin is unstable. You can, for example, get more bitcoins as a result of any trade, but the price of Bitcoin will fall in relation to the dollar, which means that you actually do not just not make a profit, but may be at a loss

There is a better approach to making your wealth invulnerable to price volatility

What you do by selling bitcoins (or any other cryptocurrencies) for a certain amount of stable coin (or some fiat directly) can be done more efficiently and effectively by hedging, that is, by short selling your bitcoins. The indisputable advantage of this approach lies in the fact that you don't have to collateralize your short position in full (for example, at Bitfinex you need only 15% of the position value), so you can safely keep your coins in your personal wallet, which is an enormously better choice than sticking with some stable coin if you ask me
2034  Other / Meta / Re: Why not tokenize the forum? on: December 09, 2019, 09:12:18 AM
I mean how we even dream that earned merits currently represent a meritocracy

Uh-oh, did I hit a nerve?

It seems to be somewhat off-topic here but I will reply nevertheless. There can be no set of transparent criteria (read, objective measure of the value of a post) because the whole idea of merits is entirely subjective. You merit a post on whether you personally like it, if it helps or enjoys you individually in some way, but since there are no two identical people (even twins are different), you can't objectively have it any other way, with no bias, let alone at all. The same applies to meritocracy in general, though on a larger scale (more specifically, on a society level)

And speculating with a token on exchanges or other resources will only give a negative attitude to the community, as someone can lose their money by buying a token expensive, and they can’t sell it at a high price, since there is a chance of a devaluation

I want to emphasize (again) that tokenization is not limited to creating a new coin, and this topic is definitely not about starting off yet another shitcoin
2035  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling as a profession: there's people who live out of gambling? on: December 08, 2019, 03:13:58 PM
~ Since the "likelihood of hitting an (n+1) losing streak is increasing faster than your balance is doubling", you can easily counterbalance this increase with other adjustments

Personally, I increase the win chance, and that gives me some peace of mind.

But you do realize that with this you're extending the time it will take for the ability to survive one additional loss, right?

You won't be able to bet after you reach the max bet amount anyway

Apart from that, it works like the law of diminishing returns, i.e. after you reach a certain threshold, it doesn't make sense to increase the losing streak any more. For example, if you are not going to hit it within 3 years (statistically speaking), you may rightfully assume you are not going to bust any time soon. Indeed, it doesn't mean that you can't but nevertheless it is a pretty solid assumption. Then you can start building on that (and keep fingers crossed that the casino won't run away with your money in the process)

And yet it's possible to predict with a high likelihood that something will happen within a certain amount of bets. For example, we will surely hit at least one winning roll within 50 bets with 50% win chance

You are not going to roll for 30 years on end, so you should keep things balanced in terms of risk and reward
2036  Economy / Economics / Re: Hi Excuse me Are currencies a "store of value on: December 08, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
The only fiat currency which can be used as a store of value in my opinion is the Japanese Yen. During the past 3-4 decades, the purchasing power of JPY has remained more or less constant, although more recently it has started to behave more like the other fiat currencies. Apart from the JPY, almost all the other fiat currencies are vulnerable to inflation, and therefore unsuitable for usage as store of value

Personally, I would go for the Swiss franc

Japan is depending massively on both imports from and exports to US. If the American economy sinks, Japan will follow. The Swiss are the world bankers and have been so since long ago. They definitely know how to run the money. Apart from that, the Swiss franc is one of the most protected (difficult to fake) currencies in the world (with the British pound being the most counterfeited currency among major currencies)
2037  Other / Meta / Re: Why not tokenize the forum? on: December 08, 2019, 08:42:42 AM
As is there are plenty of spams and plagiarism already in the forum. Tokenizing the forum would simply increase it multi fold. There is only one authority for Bitcointalk.org and that is Theymos. Hence, there is no point of extending the authority. There are quite a few other more important things to implement than something like tokenizing the forum. I vote for 'No'

Here we go again

By how much can theymos extend his authority, or rather the authority (or dominion, or supremacy) of the forum, into the external world on his own? I don't think that by much since otherwise he would have done so long ago. Satoshi did that with the help of Bitcoin. The forum supported Bitcoin, though you can think the other way too

But by now it has lost its imperative in the cryptoworld. A forum blockchain could help retrieve that momentum by reintegrating the forum into the changed environment at a new level. I understand that change can be difficult and even painful but sometimes it is required. Really, if Bitcoin is not about change, then what is?
2038  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The secret of gambling? on: December 08, 2019, 08:01:23 AM
The secret is that if your very lucky you end up winning the millions or some dollars and if not that lucky you end up losing and at times people after winning also have lost it because of the greed. So many thing depends on individual and also on luck.
So it all depends on luck? What about those gamblers who treat gambling as profession using their skills, strategy and experience I dont think they only rely on luck (or maybe it depends on what kind of game they're playing)

That definitely depends on the game

Put differently, you may think yourself however skilled at playing dice (say, hi-lo game in an online casino) or tossing the coin, if you are unable to control the outcomes objectively, you will only be deluding yourself about your real abilities (even when things look different for some time and you experience the sense of being in control). In this way, it doesn't matter much whether you treat gambling as profession or not

Further, it is not only about games of chance (like the ones already mentioned) as nothing can stop you from being delusional in the games where skill does play a certain role (like poker, or whatever). You can think higher of your abilities, so when you lose, you may be prone to attribute or rather misattribute your loss to ill luck while in actuality you are dealing with a lack of skill and expertise
2039  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Truly Random is Random on: December 08, 2019, 07:33:27 AM
Try to double or triple or even x10 the number of dots on your piece of paper and you get "patterns" forming. Repeat the experiment 1 million times and you might find other patterns appearing

But that's what I'm talking about

Randomness is all about patterns, even if those patterns are random on their own. With this in mind, you can try to exploit this property consciously once you definitely see or assume that you are dealing with random events, or if you know that beforehand (which is often the case in real life). In fact, we are all using this subtlety of randomness in everyday life without even thinking about it, without even being aware of it

The way a dealer shuffles. The way a casino card stack is cut, the way the roulette wheels are oiled. The way the metal ball hits when it's thrown on the wheel

I see what you are getting at, but in this topic I'm speaking mostly about the outcomes which are considered the representation of the built-in randomness of the world. Whether they are truly random in this sense is another question. Technically, our assumptions about these outcomes can just reflect our lack of knowledge (read, God doesn't play dice)
2040  Other / Meta / Re: Why not tokenize the forum? on: December 07, 2019, 10:28:57 PM
Blockchain is great and all, but you do know that we don’t need to tokenize or blockchainize everything right? <snip>

We have that many shitcoins because people think we need a token for every single aspect of our life and society. Dentists, horses, toilet coins, etc... there is no point. Huh
Well said, and those words could have come out of my own keyboard. 

If you wonder why the ICO market is so idiotic, it's because of the above.  Those project developers try to shoehorn a blockchain solution onto problems where it makes no sense, and who usually gets all of the tokens generated?  The developers.  And when it's obvious that the project sucks, those morons move onto the next stupid idea.  There doesn't need to be a coin for tipping, a coin for porn, a coin for [insert you-name-it here].  And there certainly doesn't need to be a bitcointalkcoin.

For example, every Legendary member (or just any member with earned merits) could receive a certain amount of tokens (think of them as an extension of merits) that would allow them to extend their authority
Extend their authority?  This is a meritocracy (pretty much), and just because a member has achieved Legendary rank, that doesn't mean that member has any authority whatsoever.

It is ironic how people see only what they want to see

I wrote about using the forum blockchain as a backup option and received a feedback that it is not an optimal solution. I wrote about tokens being used as digital passports to prove one's identity (okay, forum membership beyond the forum) and was instantly accused of trying to promote the creation of yet another shitcoin. Then I write about earned merits and get a reply that it doesn't mean a shit since it is a meritocracy. What the fuck, really?

Isn't a backup option supposed to be used in case no optimal solution is currently available (read, the forum has been taken down or over)? What do authentication tokens have to do with shitcoins (or just any coins, for that matter)? Aren't earned merits a representation of a meritocracy incarnate (as even the word itself suggests), while their amount an assessment of one's usefulness and value to the forum?
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