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2061  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house? on: January 24, 2017, 12:21:59 PM
Regardless of how you buy your house, you're going to have to pay taxes on it when you sell. If you're buying a house with bitcoin, you're still going to use the USD equivalent for tax purposes. All real estate transactions are registered with a county or local government office, you cannot buy a house anonymously.
2062  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin's Next Direction 2017 Predictions on: January 21, 2017, 08:10:21 PM
Hello,

After successfully predicting BTC moves in 2016 here on the forum, I have a new set of 2017 predictions that I'm using to trade the current move.

1. Rise to $1,200-$1,300 (Current move)
2. Correction to $800-$900 level and range trading for a while
3. Rise to $1,500
4. Correction to $900-$1,000 and range trading for a while
5. Continued rise to $2,000 by end of year

tldr; BTC will double this year after making a couple of moves up and down.

Setting aside that your 2016 predictions weren't that accurate (50% accuracy is a coin flip), you provide nothing to back up your predictions, and currently aren't doing so well one week into 2017. Are you just shooting in the dark or do you have anything to base your predictions on other than whim? Because it seems more likely that we're in another deflating bubble period, as opposed to an environment that can sustain the momentum that ended 2016. This is a repeat of 2013.

I use a combination of technical analysis, fundamentals, and past behavior. I modify my results to account for the pump and dump nature of bitcoin movements. So basically, I increase variance.

What do you mean I'm not doing well one week into 2017? So far, I've traded all moves perfectly. I sold at peak and I am now looking to repurchase once I verify my support levels. Also, the 2016 predictions were extremely accurate from a trading perspective as following them resulted in a generous profit.

We've now dropped to the $800 level I thought would serve as support for range trading. The level was broken through briefly but the speed at which the price returned to above $800 strengthens the support significantly. I will probably begin to buy again if the level holds until Monday.

I don't think BTC is in a bubble phase. I think the bubbles are short lived and over time add long-lasting value.

Both my first and second predictions for this year happened almost exactly

I mean your ranges aren't holding. You call for a range of 1200-1300, then we reach a high of 1129, but you count that as a hit. Then you call for a drop of 800-900, and we drop through that, and you count that as a hit too. When you provide a lower limit, and then it drops below that, that's not a correct prediction. When you call for a minimum high and we don't reach that, that's not a correct prediction.  So while you say your first two predictions happened almost exactly, I see an 0 for 2 prediction record this year.

What I am interested in is that you're getting general trends right (just not accurate on the price ranges), and if you're using technical analysis, that would at least be something to base your predictions on, so I'll be interested to see if that continues being in the ballpark going forward. Anyone can be right in a limited data set. You've called for some pretty bullish price appreciation this year, which I don't particularly see as likely, so I'll be watching with interest to see if you've got that right, and be the first to congratulate you if you are. But I'm not holding my breath.
2063  Economy / Economics / Re: What is your best investment strategy? on: January 21, 2017, 07:17:18 PM
My current target to buy a piece of land. I think it has so many benefits, and I heard that it is a sure investment. if the land that I bought later has a strategic place, it could be another advantage for me. but, for the moment, I only intended to collect bitcoin. I only intended to invest significantly.
I think investing in real estate by buying a house or land will be a long-term investment that is very nice, because in all countries. real estate prices always go up every year

People thought this was true in very large numbers, and this is what created the housing bubble in the United States. The "conventional knowledge" that real estate prices only go up meant that loans for those houses were always "safe" because the underlying asset was always appreciating, which means if the borrower gets into trouble, they could just sell the house since it would be worth more than what they bought it for. Obviously, this was not the case, and it cannot be the case. Prices for anything don't only go up. Belief that this could be true is what creates bubbles, and popping bubbles create economic devastation.
2064  Economy / Economics / Re: Passive Income on: January 21, 2017, 07:07:30 PM
I get passive income from rent heavy equipment, I have 3 units loaders and 5 units forklift, I rented out to several factories located close to where I live. Every month I get enough income and I not job. Everyday I just visiting heavy equipment that I rented out, buying spare parts for maintenance, and make sure everything no problem.


Then it's not total passive income.. it still requires supervision of the machinery, seeing that everything is working so you don't rent something that is damaged or not fully functions which would lead to big problems with renters etc... I think the only real passive income i can think off is renting parking spots. You have a parking spot and you rent it so someone so he can park his car... that's about it. It doesn't require any maintenance, it's just a space made of asphalt and that's all.
Other than that, I can't think of true passive income.

Stock ownership provides passive income if the stock pays a dividend. Savings accounts are also passive income, though inflation is likely to outpace the rate of return there, so you would see a nominal gain and a purchase power loss.
yes they are but i think the passive income is often a very small amount that we get in bonus or dividend. i think we should try to remain active in trading for short term or long term but need to invest in alt coin from where you can even make a good profit in a short period of time that will be too more that your passive income.
It really depends on the stock you are investing your money in.  Because some stock pays dividends only once a year or once every two years or they don't pay dividends at all and just rely on capital appreciation. Be careful on what stock you buy because you will never know when it will go down together with what you invest in it.  You can't really rely on dividends as a kind of passive income because they are not as frequent as what you think.

There is no shortage of companies that pay reliable dividends, and dividend income can be counted on to be predictable. Most companies in the US that pay a dividend pay quarterly, but there are plenty of companies that pay monthly dividends. There is also a list of companies known as "dividend aristocrats" which have a track record of increasing the dividend they pay every year for at least 20 straight years. So it's just untrue that dividends are unreliable or infrequent.
2065  Economy / Economics / Re: WILL BITCOIN BE USED BY ALMOST EVERYONE IN 2022? on: January 21, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
Bitcoin doesn't have much use as a currency. It's a great tool to transfer value short term, but holding it for any period of time exposes the holder to extreme volatility and the risk of much loss of value. Nobody really uses it as a currency. It's used as a speculative asset, to evade gambling controls, and as value transfer and remissions across borders. I don't see many people using it for commerce.
2066  Economy / Economics / Re: Why You Should Never Sell Your Bitcoins Ever on: January 21, 2017, 06:36:41 PM
Bitcoin can possibly the future fiat although it will not totally eliminate fiat still it is a great thing if you still have bitcoin on hand after 10 years or more. Just imagine how bitcoin's price we have right now? What more after 10 years, it could possibly times 10 of the current price now or more.
For me its not a good idea to stay hold your bitcoin for a long time and i think bitcoin will never be fiat it will be still as alternative payment online. since bitcoin is just like the same as other payment method paypal or vcc online is actually the same as bitcoin but the different bitcoin is not instant and anytime the payment can be reverse.. that is why they are waiting for 3 confirmation thant vcc its really instant..
For me if i have bitcoin if the price is increasing i will sell few bitcoin and the rest i sell it if the price continues to increased..

Bitcoin transactions post instantly, just to clear that out. It's the confirmation times that makes you wait. Or you simply didn't include an appropriate enough fee which makes pools ignore your transaction for a while. When it comes to the reverse aspect, you as normal person don't have to worry about that unless you deal with millions every time like is the case with exchanges for example. That's why they require 3 confirmations before your deposit posts. It's set like that because exchanges have a lot to lose. In general 1 confirmation is safe enough.

I don't believe they "post" instantly either. Don't they still need a node to broadcast them out? I'm a bit hazy on how this part works exactly, but when there was all that congestion in the bitcoin network last year due to the refusal to increase the block size, there were always tens of thousands of transactions sitting in a pool waiting to be broadcast, but I think the nodes were only broadcasting the transactions that paid the highest fees. So it's not that the rest were waiting to be "confirmed." They hand't even been "posted" yet by a node to start the confirmation process. At least I think that was the issue, if anyone can provide any clarification on this, I'd appreciate it.
2067  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: January 21, 2017, 06:29:39 PM
Paper money is only limited by earth's supply of trees Smiley

At least digital currency is "backed" by the mining's ever-soaring level of difficulty. This built-in scarcity model prevents deflation of bitcoin value, raises the miners' bar for return on investment, and thereby guarantees a steady climb in price. Each transaction buyer wants to hold for a later price rise, and so on down the line. Not every trader can outwait their own need for their own fiat currency, so naturally there are trades at a loss. Whoever has the most patience and greatest wealth can end up with a large hoard of bitcoins.

Mining difficulty in no way backs the value of bitcoin. Mining difficulty is only a result of how many computers are solving the algo that mints coins. Whether bitcoin was worth $1000 or $1, it wouldn't directly affect the difficulty of the mining. 

The built-in scarcity does not give it a floor value. If that was true, any altcoin with fewer than 21 million possible coins would have a price point higher than bitcoin. What gives bitcoin value is the collective belief by people holding it or seeking to buy it that it will continue to have value. It's just a confidence game.
2068  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: January 21, 2017, 06:25:15 PM
Yes i agree, bitcoin can not replace fiat in anyway

That's very vague reply to this topic. It doesn't encourage any good conversation.

It is quite likely that digital currency replaces physical fiat, but his does not necessarily mean Bitcoin. It is more likely to be digital fiat. Western economies already deal more with digital fiat than physical fiat; it's a trend that has been increasing for 20 years already. Physical fiat probably doesn't go away, it will always have a place, but will be very small in comparison to digital transactions using fiat.
The government can make their own digital currency which I believe will be the trend in the future. The world is moving fast and here we are now enjoying what we can benefit of using bitcoin, surely bitcoin will stay but cannot replace fiat to be realistic.

IMO, it's better to keep bitcoin away from fiat so the government cannot regulate us and we can continue to have the freedom like we are enjoying now.

I would have to agree with this. Governments will create their own digital currency because that is the future of everything. Everything will be digital in the future because the world is moving towards the reduction of the use of traditional methods of everything, ie paper documents. However, bitcoin will still have a place in this world because bitcoins is decentralized. That would basically be its weapon.


The government doesn't have to "create" a digital currency. The fiat currency we already have lends itself perfectly well to being digital, and has been trending on its own towards being more digital than physical for quite some time. Checks were the first form of digital currency, when they represented the movement of money without physically handing over bills. Over time, and with technology, it became less necessary to physically move the money authorized by check, and now it's just electrons being transferred back and forth.
2069  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: January 21, 2017, 06:22:01 PM
On the other hand, how good is natural gas for small passenger cars?

Wouldn't it require too much volume for the same distance compared to gasoline?

Unless we are talking about liquid hydrogen as fuel, of course

Yes... that is one issue with CNG (compressed natural gas). The cars need to be recharged every 150 or 160 km. But then, there is a massive reduction in pollution. The Carbon Monoxide emissions are reduced by 90% and Hydrocarbon emissions by 60% when compared to the gasoline-run vehicles.

It's not quite that bad. There's only one natural gas capable car available in the US I'm aware of, the Honda Civic NGV, but the range is 220 miles, which is about 350 km, more than double the range you listed. Natural gas isn't very practical for the US for consumer cars, but does make an excellent alternative for fleet vehicles and heavy duty trucking, where most of the application is currently focused.
2070  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: January 16, 2017, 04:36:11 PM
Governments also prefer digital money over paper, because it's very easy to track transactions. Cash is the main form of money for black market right now, and it's also used for tax evasions and other illegal activities. So, I think people will be reaching towards crypto currencies as governments push people away frosh cash.
using digital money, the government can control the velocity of money and where the money someone will go. yeah I think the government will just love it but is it that could make paper money disappear?
The government cannot control the velocity of money, that is something controlled by the users of fiat, all  of us, they can try but history has showed us they always fail, besides when the government tries to control the velocity of money is because something way worst is happening like big inflation.

The central bank does indeed control the pace of money creation through the use of interest rates. The central bank prints physical notes, but more money is created through fractional reserve banking, which is mostly digital. By raising the interest rates banks pay to the federal reserve, they can control the rate at which the banks are able to create new money through fractional reserve banking. By lowering the rates, the opposite happens.
That is a mistake, that is not money velocity, that is money supply a different term, money velocity refers to how fast money changes hands, and that is not controlled by the government, when the velocity of money is very fast it means that no one wants to hold fiat for long periods of time and if that is happening then inflation must be out of control.

Ah, I misinterpreted your meaning then. However, I would still say that people's willingness or unwillingness to hold money (money velocity) is still linked to the Fed's decisions on interest rates and the pace of money creation. If the Fed is inflating away all the value, that will increase money velocity. Creating long term stability in the value of fiat will lead to slower money velocity and aid saving, since value is not eroded with time.
2071  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: January 16, 2017, 04:31:08 PM
Governments also prefer digital money over paper, because it's very easy to track transactions. Cash is the main form of money for black market right now, and it's also used for tax evasions and other illegal activities. So, I think people will be reaching towards crypto currencies as governments push people away frosh cash.
using digital money, the government can control the velocity of money and where the money someone will go. yeah I think the government will just love it but is it that could make paper money disappear?
The government cannot control the velocity of money, that is something controlled by the users of fiat, all  of us, they can try but history has showed us they always fail, besides when the government tries to control the velocity of money is because something way worst is happening like big inflation.

The central bank does indeed control the pace of money creation through the use of interest rates. The central bank prints physical notes, but more money is created through fractional reserve banking, which is mostly digital. By raising the interest rates banks pay to the federal reserve, they can control the rate at which the banks are able to create new money through fractional reserve banking. By lowering the rates, the opposite happens

You seem to be confusing something here

Obviously, you refer to reserve requirements which are the amounts that commercial banks are obliged to hold at the Fed (if we are talking about the US). The interest rates (federal funds rates) you refer to are the rates at which banks offer their excess reserve balances as short term (typically overnight) loans to other banks which fall short for money, for example, due to cash gaps. Moreover, in some countries (e.g. in Canada) banks don't have to keep any reserves at the central bank, i.e. their reserve requirements are equal to 0

No, I'm talking about the discount rate, which is used to restrict or increase the money supply by increasing or decreasing the rate at which banks must pay to borrow funds from the fed. The reserve ratio is not frequently changed, but the fed routinely changes the discount rate to impact the availability of money. Short term interest rates tend to track the movements in the discount rate, which is not a market rate; it is determined solely by the federal reserve.
2072  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: January 16, 2017, 04:17:37 PM
If I remember correctly, when Bustabit was still called MoneyPot, it had a faucet? Why did they remove this feature? I was very active on this site, and the faucet helped to fund the experiment. I might confuse this with some other site, but I can remember something like this?

The few Satoshi's being handed to people via this faucet, cannot bankrupt a site?

It was discontinued to prevent serial fauceters from hanging around the site without contributing anything themselves. An unlimited faucet attracted the wrong type of people to the community. There was been talk of implementing a limited faucet (per IP address) to give players a chance to try the game. But if you were already very active on the site, you already know the game and are just looking for a risk-free way to gamble with someone else's money?
2073  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: January 16, 2017, 02:44:30 PM
We are basically talking about the price of shares (since market cap is essentially the price of one share multiplied by the number of shares traded), so it doesn't really matter if Apple actually produces something or only designs what others are producing for it. In fact, during the Dotcom era in the early 2000s many start-ups remained purely virtual (vaporware) and neither produced nor designed anything at all (only promised). But this didn't in the least prevent their stocks from being traded, pumped and then spectacularly dumped in the end

Apple doesnt resemble vapour ware.  The shares arent on a high multiple to real earnings, the market has some doubt in their future revenue.  The main thing inflated for Apple is their profit margin directly with the customers.   They retail quite directly to the customer and in some cases might be making upto 70% of the price in profit.   You can argue this profit goes to future design and innovation to keep customers with the most easy to use devices.  
Across the board Apple rates as the most reliable, highly sought after most preferred design of any pc, their customers do genuinely like the output of the company.   I dont think its just a trend but with some people a requirement to use a computer and be happy.

So long as their customers are rich enough to endure 70% profit margins and consider it a good purchase then Apple shares are not due to fall.  In a recession maybe Apple suffers worse then others as the alternative is people start to buy the cheapest hardware and foresake ease of use for pure value.      Vapourware would be something else where the proposed utility was non existent and there was no value in any design in theory or even in production.

For OIL the premium relies on lack of innovation, both in oil extraction and alternate energy.   Also demand for energy is rising and many of the worlds largest countries dont have cars as commonly used still as the west

The low (relative) PE multiple isn't necessarily a lack of confidence that investors are worried about Apple's future so much as a recognition that Apple is too large to be valued as a growth stock. No company as large as Apple can put up rapid growth. It's just the law of large numbers. Berkshire has the same problem, which is why they don't go after small companies anymore, because acquiring them can't move the needle. Warren Buffet take now about his "elephant gun" for making huge acquisitions, because that's the only thing that moves the needle.
2074  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: January 16, 2017, 02:28:36 PM
I am sorry to announce that the new feature that we were working on will not be released in the near future. I'll try to explain what we were trying to do.

I was trying to create a mining investment program for users where users would be able to invest their bitcoins with us and we would use it to purchase bitcoin miners and generate profits. The way that I had designed this was that it would carry absolutely no risk to the user (other than us running away with their money, which is always a risk with any investment) and users would be guaranteed a fixed return on their investment (around 8-10% APR) measured in bitcoins, regardless of the BTC price. It would eliminate most issues with "cloud-mining" schemes and users would not have to worry about the difficulty and price, we would assume all of that risk. We would also provide proof of our mining hashrate to show that we were not running a fractional mining scheme.

To do this, we had already installed about 2 petahashes of mining power with another 2.5 petahashes planned to be installed soon. However, the main issue is that there simply isn't enough stock of efficient miners available to make this viable. There is no point in raising investments if we are unable to expand quickly and currently it seems like that will not be possible to do soon. Also, the recent price volatility has made it very expensive to reliably hedge against some uncertainties (which is necessary to prevent us from going bust in case of some unexpected circumstances). So I have had to put the project on hold, we will continue with expanding our mining operation but will not be opening it up for investments unless we are sure that it can be viable long-term. We have everything ready to go so if there is a possibility that this can be done in the future, we shall implement it

I'll contact the first two users who correctly guessed what the feature was to reward them their prizes. Sorry for hyping this up and then disappointing people who were waiting.

I'm super skeptical of any mining investment program. Bitcoin is far too volatile to to be able to guarantee any kind of return. The only way it's long term profitable it seems is if a pool operator collects his fees for running a pool from people who supply their own miners. The key breakdown point for me is always that if you have excess mining capacity that you are "renting" out, or allowing people to buy a share of, you either have to be losing money by doing so, or the mining power will never generate the principle amount of the investment, otherwise you'll have lost money by offering it as an option. It doesn't make any sense to me that someone would rent out mining capacity or "profit share" something they already own that would end up reducing their income over the long run. Also, Bitcoin mining is far too competitive to be able to guarantee an 8-10% return, even if standardized by denominating in btc.
2075  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: January 11, 2017, 06:46:59 PM
Hi everyone,

I have a question. I owned an internet cafe and I have 2 referrals who are my customers.
Is it okay if we use the same IP address? Or we will be banned for using only one IP address?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks.  Cool

I actually have my own experience regarding that. So I introduce two of my friends to freebitco (unfortunately one didn't interested that much and stopped claiming after few claims) using same wifi. And whenever one had claimed, then the other (lets say it's me) can't claim at the same time because on my browser the countdown had started with the exactly same time as my friend claimed. So I think it is safe to say that they only allow one IP per claim per hour. Unless you do other verification. I know there were a writing about having an exception (i.e. two claims for the same IP) but I forgot how

If both users verify their mobile numbers, they can both claim from the same IP. However, this isn't free it costs about $0.15 worth in bitcoin.

What do you mean it costs $0.15 in btc? To confirm a mobile number with freebitco.in? Who does it cost to, you or the person confirming the number? This is the first I've heard of this, so I'm just wondering what exactly the expense is and why there is an expense.
2076  Economy / Economics / Re: panic selling on: January 11, 2017, 06:43:33 PM
Whenever there is drop on the price of bitcoin they always think that this was made by a panic selling by holders..
Even they  dump huge amount of btc thats not a panic selling but a profit taking..


Panic selling and profit taking are not mutually exclusive. If you've already made a great deal of profit in the price run-up last year, and now you see the price dropping by 30% in two weeks since the recent highs, you can both panic sell and lock in your profits at the same time. Panic selling is certainly playing a role in the current price drop. I don't know of any asset that can withstand a 30% drop in short order and be immune from people dumping it in a panic, either to preserve profit that is still there or stop losses they've already suffered.
2077  Economy / Economics / Re: What is your best investment strategy? on: January 11, 2017, 06:39:18 PM
Buy low, sell high (not day trading obv.)
And then I look at the alternate cryptocurrencies section to see what Altoin may or may not get pumped next, and decide if I want to risk or not.

That is a quite simple, easy and working strategy for trading i guess, even day traders follow that thing, they buy coins and wait at the end of the day to see if the price increases or not, and then they sell them if the price increases and if it doesn't then they may hold them for the next day.
This is actually the best strategy for earning more bitcoins.

That's called gambling, not investing. It's just speculation. You're buying an asset and hoping it will go up without any real indication that it will. "Buy low sell high" is generic, worthless advice. It's like going to a gambling casino and saying "the key to profiting at blackjack is drawing a 21." It's worthless, self-evident advice. Knowing what you have to do to profit is not the same as having the ability to do it. In either case, your ability to "win" is completely outside of your control. That's why it's not investing.

Typically, professional day traders and scalpers don't follow "that thing". Without getting too technical (and there are in fact many different techniques), their strategy hinges on riding the trend ("trend is your friend"). Statistically, the price has more chances to continue rising once it has started rising (the same refers to falling prices as well), and if you place your stop-losses wisely (which is a must for day-trading), you can scalp more profits than incur losses, and thereby book net profits more often than losses at the end of the day. Obviously, you can ride the trend on the way down as easily as on the way up...

Though things get more intricate when the price is trading sideways and there is no clear-cut trend

Yes, momentum trading. I'm familiar with it, although I don't employ it myself. My investing time frame is far longer than day traders, so I don't have any interest in it for myself. But also, the investments I make are in businesses that create profits, not in an asset that is speculative. The price appreciation I gain is therefore tied directly to the underlying business becoming more profitable, which drives the stock price higher. A technical approach also could work for bitcoin, I have no doubt, but it's still on a speculative asset, and also, I don't see anyone ever talking about technical analysis on these boards. It's always very general and unsophisticated predictions on what the price would do, and then they want to call that "investing" when it's far more gambling than not.
2078  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin's Next Direction 2017 Predictions on: January 11, 2017, 06:33:10 PM
I don't think it will take a run at $1500 very soon. Maybe towards the second half of the year. I expect range trading to last a while.

Not even sure it will happen, or at least this year. Even In the second half.

I don't really understand the price movement I have to say. There was such a great pump at the begining...
And now it's like no one wants to buy bitcoin Cry
Well as long as we don't go under the 550 I guess it's alright. After all it was the price we had just a few months ago and it was clearly a stable one. Let's pray we don't go even under though...

The lower it goes, the more likely it is that it continues to trend lower. All the people who bought in in the last two weeks are now sitting on huge losses (30ish percent in under 2 weeks). That's going to make them very nervous while the price is showing no signs of stabilizing. Momentum works both ways. On the way up, everyone feels like they are missing out on easy profit, and pile in driving the price ever higher. On the way down, no one knows where the bottom is, and people want to protect profits they may have or stop losses they've already suffered, and the added selling pressure pushes down the price farther. The last time we were over $1000 was 2013. It took 3 years to get back there. There's no guarantee it will again.
2079  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: January 11, 2017, 06:14:43 PM
Governments also prefer digital money over paper, because it's very easy to track transactions. Cash is the main form of money for black market right now, and it's also used for tax evasions and other illegal activities. So, I think people will be reaching towards crypto currencies as governments push people away frosh cash.
using digital money, the government can control the velocity of money and where the money someone will go. yeah I think the government will just love it but is it that could make paper money disappear?
The government cannot control the velocity of money, that is something controlled by the users of fiat, all  of us, they can try but history has showed us they always fail, besides when the government tries to control the velocity of money is because something way worst is happening like big inflation.

The central bank does indeed control the pace of money creation through the use of interest rates. The central bank prints physical notes, but more money is created through fractional reserve banking, which is mostly digital. By raising the interest rates banks pay to the federal reserve, they can control the rate at which the banks are able to create new money through fractional reserve banking. By lowering the rates, the opposite happens.
2080  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: January 11, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
although in the future will all be completely online, including payment. I'm sure there must be something that requires a paper money for payment, whatever that
I believe that the digital currency will dominate, but it will not make the papers disappear

Paper money will never disappear not in this century, in before the increase in the dominance of internet which makes the use of electronic money as such, it has not even reduce the amount of paper notes being printed by the Central Bank. Paper money has being with us for ages and centuries and for any kind of currency to replace it means it has to be around if not that long then close to that or else, the worse that will happen is that they both co-exist.

It may not have reduces the number of paper notes in existence, but by share of how much money there is (physical vs. digital), it is certainly falling every year. In Oct. 2016, there was only 1.48 trillion physical USD in existence (https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm), for an economy with a GDP of over $17 trillion dollars. This represents that there is far, far more digital money than physical money in existence, and the proportion of physical to digital will continue to fall as the economy outgrows the pace of printing physical notes.
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