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2061  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 26, 2023, 04:19:41 PM
If you are not sure about it, then start with buying $10 per week of bitcoin and get your shit together, figure out your finances and your psychology and if you got it mostly figured out
I know it is as too small to begin But this is me that you mentioned mate, Yeah I started purchasing 10 dollars worth of Bitcoin back in mid of 2017 , and added a increasing amount each week.

but with wrong decisions in life, I got involved in gambling and ending losing all my investments in 2018 and yes , I truly regret those decisions.
But from there of mistake ,Now I can proudly say that I can feel the success in the net bull run.
Nevertheless, I expect you will not to treat your Bitcoin investment with this mindset of gambling... trying to get rich quick with little effort. The lessons you learnt from your previous experience should guide you on the important of gradual growth rather than wanting it overnight. The DCA method is one sure way you can achieve this slow but steady growth in your Bitcoin accumulation.
Don't worry I am a New Person now and  Gambling is less my priority though still playing some time but just a little as i can afford to lose,  and thanks to my Wife that never leave me from my darkest days.

and also thanks to JJG for keep inspiring Bitcoin users/holders with unending advises and worth listening topics.
Hope he will not act like that lol.. 

but for me , as I keep reading most of your post and still learning more each day , thank you for being so active specially for Bitcoin .
He has been of so much help in the forum.Through him I have learnt the DCA method and other wonderful things including the power of small beginning. There is a saying that "if you following who know the road, you will never be lost"
Well , with His years of experience and Knowledge like what said , there is no hurt in trusting the people you know stands for everyone's benefits, and besides we have nothing to lose because in the end of the day Bitcoin is still our currency to hold.

We still realize that ongoing BTC price performance to the upside is not guaranteed, but if we do not fuck around with the amount that we invest (by using leverage and other forms of extreme risk taking), then the most that we would end up losing in the worse case scenario is 100%.. while at the same time, there seem to be decent chances of BTC prices continuing to gravitate upwardly, there are a variety of upwards scenarios that support BTC price scenarios of 10s, if not 100s, if not 1,000s, of times higher than current BTC prices, so there seems to be some logic to putting value into BTC and taking chances on bets that have decently good upside asymetry, and surely it might be good to be aggressive in terms of investing in bitcoin, yet even if some of us might decide not to be very aggressive, some of the non-aggressive persons will also end up being quite a lot better off by investing into bitcoin as opposed to choosing not to invest in bitcoin.

Think of the guy who started investing in bitcoin with $10 per week at the top of the BTC price market at $1,163  in late 2013.  He would have had invested $5,170, and he would have accumulated right around 4.62 BTC.  Sure, he might not be rich, but he has more options and he also has a pretty decent amount of value from a pretty low commitment amount..  Of course, the guy who invested 10x that $100 per week would be 10x better off with having had invested nearly $52k and with 46.2 BTC, but the one who invested 10x more may also had to have had struggled more in order to be able to invest that amount of money as compared with the one who had merely invested $10 per week, and so my point is that sometimes even whimpy investing into something like BTC could end up paying off decently well if there is a long enough timeline, and at the same time there are still no guarantees of good or great performance even though the investment thesis for bitcoin does not seem to be getting any weaker.

One of the factors that affect most investors is always consistently watching the Bitcoin price movement, however in most cases no matter your intentions of holding watching the price all the time could affect your psychology or emotions that could make you to panic and if not careful it could lead you by selling of your accumulated Bitcoin.

For beginners who just started accumulating Bitcoin using the DCA strategy should be aware of Bitcoin price movement so that they will not be influence to start trading the market because with the potential of Bitcoin this few days price movement will be nothing compared to what is coming.

So let's get started and keep on accumulating with our DCA strategy.
By staying focused on the DCA method, someone will not be too influenced by what is happening in the market. They still invest a certain amount of money every week or month and buy bitcoin, whatever the price on the market. And that's good for them because they don't panic and have no desire to sell their bitcoins. After all, their target is long term.

Beginners who invest in bitcoin using the DCA method do not need to observe the price of bitcoin and they are different from beginners who trade in the market. Those who trade must always observe and pay attention to prices in the market and then analyze them to get time to enter and exit the market.

I think that the earlier you are in your investment, the more difficult it can be to just keep plowing away at ongoing DCA buying, such as $10 per week or $100 per week, whatever might be the chosen amount, and surely it does not get completely easier, but with the passage of time, there likely can develop increasing confidence, such as 4-10 years of DCAing into BTC could have decent potentials to add up to a decent amount of value.

While you are ongoingly and continuing to invest into bitcoin, there are likely needs to get other aspects of your life in order too, and whether you are able to increase your cashflow or to decrease your expenses, you might need to figure out ways to be moderate and maybe even reward yourself from time to time with some levels of consumption, so long as you are not completely depleting your efforts, after several years of investing, you might choose to either shave off some of you investing into bitcoin or maybe just take from other sources of income or cash reserves that you had been building up and reward yourself for your good efforts... but at the same time, you might get yourself into a bad situation if you believe you constantly need to be rewarding yourself, and there are going to be various periods of investing that even in the middle of the investment you start to feel like you need to cash out some because the asset is too volatile for your own psychology. 

Whatever you decide to do, it is probably better to plan it out rather than being impulsive, and it seems that buying on the way down and selling on the way up are the better basic ideas to stay ahead of things and let the price come to you rather than reacting.. yet since this thread is about buying strategies, we are mostly trying to consider those kinds of matters rather than the various ways that each of us likely need to make sure that we are keeping our house in good enough order that we are coming to bitcoin with a stable psychology and stable finances, and likely if we create conditions to stabilize our finances, then psychology will likely go along with those kinds of preparations.
2062  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [Updated] FTX on: October 26, 2023, 03:39:33 PM
Bankman-Fried will begin testifying as soon as Thursday, his team said.
Looking forward to it!  Grin
Let's consider bitcoin, the largest cryptocurrency by market capitalization, as a proxy for the broader cryptocurrency markets. On Nov. 11 of last year, the petition date, bitcoin was trading around $17,000. On Friday, it crossed $30,000."
And chances are that bitcoin will be higher than it is now by the time FTX actually starts sending the money to their debtors, meaning even bigger loss.

I talked with few friends who have money stuck in FTX and they all pretty much say that is the least of their concern and at this point they would be happy if they get 100% of the money out even if it was only in the dollar value as they already accepted that they lost everything they had there.

I doubt that the status of the desperate state of mind of the claimants should be a reflection in regards to what "should be" done, and surely there is a bit of a problem in these kinds of situations in which the entity may well not have been holding value in the asset that they claimed to have on the books and the recovery of value might end up taking place in other assets, so there can be some difficulties resolving the books if the trustees are recovering value in various kinds of assets and then reflecting that value in dollars, but a decent number of claimants are wanting to receive bitcoin that may or may not end up being recovered by the trustees and may not be recovered in that form. if the value does end up being recovered.  

It is pretty sad that the value of the estate is determined from the bitcoin price at the time of the filing when a lot of the worse aspects of the crashing of the bitcoin price may even be attributable to criminal and/or fraudulent actions of that very exchange.

Many of us lay persons are not going to have a lot of information regarding what were the claims versus what were the recovered assets and if they might not even have the bitcoin to reimburse but they might have dollars or they might have property.. and sure some of that will get converted (such as the property), and most likely converted into dollars.. so then if the exchange ends up having obligations to reimburse into the asset that the claimant had there (especially the more common coins, such as bitcoin), then does the estate then need to go into the market and buy bitcoin.. maybe that would be the most just thing in this kind of case, even if they are recovering assets and converting into dollars.
2063  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin kwoledge is not complete without bitcoin investment on: October 26, 2023, 03:04:21 PM
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It seems we both have similar reasons for investing in Bitcoin but slightly different. Mine all started in 2019 when I started looking up what Bitcoin is all about and how to get on the game. Because I really wanna live a happy life with no stress, things weren't that cool as of then because some people discouraged me that BTC could be another scam that pops out from nowhere and dupe people. Guess what? I invested anyway, and now look at me, glad that I did and even tend to use some other earning means mostly the products I find on Bitgeto support my ministry

All Im trying to say is, be calm and do it, follow your instincts. I promise you, you won't regret it
Yea same here , they’ve quite a lot of product that has made my trading quite easy
Maybe you guys (@Best-mary  and @MarvieJ) need to explain whatever it is that you are promoting in this thread, besides bitcoin..

In other words, what the fuck is Bitgeto?  Is it something that is legit or some kind of a shitcoin or other scam product for members to get rugpulled, scammed or otherwise robbed? 

Anyone have an explanation for why we should not be reporting these seemingly promotion posts of some unknown entity in this thread? - furthermore orchestrated through a couple of relatively newbie accounts
My little CHECK said that the BITGETO site is an exchange that people can use for selling their coins either BTC or other cryptocurrencies, but truth be told I don't seem to like the BITGETO exchange because it requires a KYC VERIFICATION.
I just checked that the site was launched in the year 2018 and the CEO of the exchange is called Sandra Lou (a female) and this search can tell little about her.

At least that gives a little information about the reference.. . .not that we should necessarily be advertising any particular exchanges.. but most require KYC, and I have troubles wondering why the CEO being a female makes much if any difference, even though it is not a bad thing to have some ideas behind the operators of exchanges, to the extent we might figure that there might be some questionable practices.. but sometimes exchanges gain reputation merely from being around a long time and if there customers are not losing their coins, then that could be a good thing... of course, until they get rug pulled, which also sometimes what ends up happening.
2064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Halloween inspired poll –would your Bitcoins get passed on if you suddenly died? on: October 26, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
Don't blame me if you end up screwing it up.
how could I blame you when I completely trusted you as my mentor here?
I don't mind trying to help and to give some ideas of what members might be able to do.. but frequently what I say would not necessarily be a step by step guide, and when you posted your response, I had seen some possible dangers for you and/or for anyone else if they were to split their seed words into three parts and potentially NOT have any back up and lose one of the parts... so I would not want to be blamed because I might have had inspired the idea but I did not provide all of the details and/or even perhaps that I had left out some key parts, too.

I have my own decision when i invest here in crypto so what more when we are talking about how saving mine for my love one?
I am l glad that you are exercising your various own decisions, and hopefully that does not involve investing in crypto...   fuck crypto..

on the other hand if you are talking about bitcoin, then that has a lot of potential to provide you and/or your family many more options to invest as compared to not investing, as many of us in the forum likely realize.
Sorry for not being specific talking about Crypto but indeed it is Bitcoin that I have been investing all My available funds now (though there are still few coins that i still holds since I bought them years ago and still waiting for my capital to recover) but once i take back my capital all of those will be converted into Bitcoin  as some says never put all your eggs in one basket , but for me it is better to put in one basket at least i can secure them easily .(and that is Bitcoin only)

You should not put all of your eggs in one basket, but diversification does not really count when it is done in the same sector.. especially if you know what is the leading asset, which in the case of "crypto" is bitcoin... and the rest of it is either crap or largely correlated to bitcoin, so just adding more risk onto an already risky asset... and so maybe if you are going to invest into any shitcoin, you probably would not want to put more than 10% into any of them (or even all of them in terms of your bitcoin holdings, your shitcoins should all add up to probably less than 10% of your bitcoin investment size - absent your having some kind of a deep knowledge of one of them, which may well just mean that you are scamming others, since many of the shitcoins are scams and only the insiders are making money off of scamming regular people).

If you are new to investing, then you might just have savings in bitcoin and fiat, yet as your savings grows.. and maybe bitcoin starts to constitute a decent fraction of your annual salary.. then it may be a good idea to diversify out of it, and maybe diversifying to more than just fiat.. but also maybe stocks, bonds, property, commodities, and maybe other cash equivalents (not talking about shitcoins.. and bitcoin is a kind of commodity, even though you could invest into some other commodities if you want to have some of your value in some other places)..

so yeah, you don't want to have all your eggs in one basket, but that does not mean to be stupid and buy shitcoins... while at the same time, there could be points in which your wealth grows so much that you are not really even that negatively affected if your net worth might be fluctuating a lot because of having a lot of investments in a narrow set of asset classes and maybe even concentrated in something like bitcoin, so if maybe you started investing with a goal of reaching $2million, but then if you reach $10 million to $20 million, you are just way beyond your goal.. so in those kinds of cases it might not matter as much to you if your investment value (or your net worth changes a lot).. but still there could be some assurance (psychological and financial that might be more comfortable to have some other investments rather than just one. or just a narrow set)
2065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2023, 10:20:33 PM
We want BTC at 40k within a week! Go BTC no-one can stop you! Wink

Is this "we" that you speak of in the room with you right now?

monthly candle looks impressive rn... let's see where it closes
Even more impressive when you consider the traditional stock market’s performance. We’re finally seeing the divergence we’ve been hoping for. Now to see how long it lasts and if can persist through a recession. So far so good though. All signs point to a bull season right around the corner. Make sure you buy all you want in 2024 because the fomo in 2025 if this continues will be insane.

I believe that the supposed "vergence" was a bit of a fantasy, so the claim of a supposed "divergence" is not a very accurate assessment.

In other words, how could there be a divergence if the vergence never really existed in the first place?

#Asking for a friend.
2066  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 25, 2023, 10:12:47 PM
Sure there is a problem with people who sold on the way down, but that does not seem to be the crux of the main kinds of problems that are likely to afflict people who are fucking around with either selling too much bitcoin too soon as BTC prices are going up and even sometimes either failing to continue to DCA, stopping their DCA or cutting back on their DCA because they are trying to play UP and down waves that may well not end up taking place in such amounts that allow them to get a sufficient amount of advantage from those kinds of plays to make them worth their efforts when maybe they just need to continue accumulating BTC without trying to play the waves.
Maybe it's quite difficult to explain because those who sell Bitcoin at low prices definitely have problems in the investment they make, such as fear that the price will fall further and there is also no confidence for them to hold it for the long term. If we look at the period last year where the price of BTC fell quite significantly to the $15k price level. Of course we see many people selling their BTC at that time and of course we don't know the reason they sold BTC at such a low price.

However, we as holder, we think they made a mistake by selling at a low price because if they waited a little longer, maybe they could get a better profit from the decision they made. Apart from that, if they play in the waves, the risk they take may be greater if the plans they have made end in failure.

Yes.. a lot of people have this issue, and maybe they have to figure out some kind of a way to invest less and in an ongoing kind of way in order that they recognize and appreciate BTC price dips as opportunties to buy more rather than either lessening their position or stopping their DCA (or their regular buying) right during a time frame in which they should be attempting to remain consistent and persistent in their buys.

And similar things surely may well be happening currently, when guys start to think too much in terms of the dollars that they could get by selling now, and it is really hard to know if the BTC price isn't going to keep going up and make them regret their decision.. so it is difficult to hand-hold all of the people and each person has to kind of figure out these matters for themselves, and sometimes, we can see really seemingly smart people doing dumb things when it comes to their finances, and part of the reason is because they have never really been able to live with a kind of deferred gratification mentality that they can cause to last for years and years.

Whether we suggest that the rich people (institutions) are buying all of the bitcoin or if we might have some other reason(s) about why the BTC price is going up, historically, there have been several instances in which the BTC price moved upwardly out of an historical range that it had been, but then thereafter, never did return to that previous price range, and people who had been delaying in their buying of BTC, or waiting for lower BTC prices prior to buying, ended up looking foolish in retrospect.  So yeah, we have had right around 18 months to be buying BTC below $35k... so how much longer is it going to last?  We cannot be sure.  Are there going to be further dips below $30k?  We cannot be sure.
The position that the bitcoin price is heading to, is what many of us don't know whether it will keep rising above $33k or fall below $33k. Historically, the month of October always has bitcoin rise in price, which it finally did, after seeing it fluctuate around $27k - $28k for weeks.

The month of November will be in a week and we don't know what bitcoin price would be by then. But I believe that the price of bitcoin will fluctuate at a higher price of $35k - $38k in November

I doubt that the price dynamics of bitcoin gives too many fucks about what month it happens to be. .and yeah sometimes there are various macro-factor forces that are working on pushing bitcoin's prices during certain months, but there is a lot more going on in bitcoin besides trying to figure out what it may or may not do based on what month of the year we might be in.
2067  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin kwoledge is not complete without bitcoin investment on: October 25, 2023, 10:02:18 PM
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It seems we both have similar reasons for investing in Bitcoin but slightly different. Mine all started in 2019 when I started looking up what Bitcoin is all about and how to get on the game. Because I really wanna live a happy life with no stress, things weren't that cool as of then because some people discouraged me that BTC could be another scam that pops out from nowhere and dupe people. Guess what? I invested anyway, and now look at me, glad that I did and even tend to use some other earning means mostly the products I find on Bitgeto support my ministry

All Im trying to say is, be calm and do it, follow your instincts. I promise you, you won't regret it
Yea same here , they’ve quite a lot of product that has made my trading quite easy

Maybe you guys (@Best-mary  and @MarvieJ) need to explain whatever it is that you are promoting in this thread, besides bitcoin..

In other words, what the fuck is Bitgeto?  Is it something that is legit or some kind of a shitcoin or other scam product for members to get rugpulled, scammed or otherwise robbed? 

Anyone have an explanation for why we should not be reporting these seemingly promotion posts of some unknown entity in this thread? - furthermore orchestrated through a couple of relatively newbie accounts
2068  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2023, 07:51:12 PM
$36k is chopper time. $35k was yesterday.
Did we do $35k yesterday? Damn I missed it!!

A quickie, but a goodie.  



Have you noticed people are accumulating early before the halving? You gotta love how psychology can have such an impact in financial markets.😉

Well remember 2 or 3 months ago Adam Back was specifically proclaiming (and betting) that BTC prices will reach $100k on or before the upcoming halvening.  

I don't even believe that the odds are high for such to happen, but it surely is not even out of the realm of possibilities to get something between 3x and 4x within the next 6 months or so.. and remember early to mid 2019, we had right around a 3.5x price move (from $4,200 to $13,880) in 3 months.. and golly-gee-wiz, even though it takes more money to move the BTC price when the prices are about 8x higher,

yet surely we seem to have at least 8x the interest in bitcoin and 8x the amount of money that is sloshing around to capture the number of coins that are available, which also does not seem to be an expanding phenomena in spite of some of the various attempts of not quite honest players to make more bitcoin,

which likely is frustrating to them, but also seems that it might even become more frustrating if some of them get caught with their pants down and try to present themselves as if they have more corn than they actually have, which we know that a lot of modern financial instruments allow for such "creativity", but the school of hard knocks of bitcoin (aka king daddy, aka honey badger, aka my lil precious, aka lillie fiend) may well end up punishing some of those manipulator wannabes more than they are able to sustain, especially if a large number of bitcoiners decide to exercise their rights to take custody of their own proper cornz.

Hello all.

I'm not here a lot these days as work is crazy, I'm doing nights for more money, and I decided to try and get a better diploma for a better salary (and a more interesting job) so I'm doing night school too.

Anyway it was nice to see our beloved break the boring sideways action and go up.

It's my birthday today, I'm starting a new decade and am officially old or let's say not young (40), so I'm asking for BTC at 35K as a gift !
Happy birthday man. All the very best, but BTC @ $35k? That's already done! Aim higher!

You're still young. There are WOers twice that age having a blast...

You have fun with those coins... We don't want your donation.

It surely can be difficult for HODLers to continue to HODL when the see BTC prices like we saw in the last couple of days and even once you add up the last month or so, and so HODLers frequently get so excited and even the more self-restrained of them will sometimes be able to hold out until the new ATH or even sell within 20% or so of the ATH to the upside and conjecture that they are "killing it" when they thereafter end up getting reckt through their opportunity cost losses that are subsequently shown by their selling too much too soon.. and sure it is almost inevitable that some folks are going to become statistics.
2069  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [Updated] FTX on: October 25, 2023, 03:51:13 PM
From my understanding all coins will be liquidated and debtors will be paid in USD for the USD equivalent of their balance at the time of the ftx bankruptcy filing.
@Rikafip. Will the debtors recieve all of the $9 billion in stablecoins? This is my only wish for 2024 and this will certainly be a pump on the market when they want to speculate on bitcoin and other cryptocoins affer the halving hehehehe.

I have no idea in which currency they plan to send these money to debtors. Does anyone know what's the practice in similar cases?
In any case, does anyone have a news update on when we will hear Sam Bankrupt-Fraud speak on the stand? I am waiting for a twist on this trial where Sam becomes something similar to a witness and blames the collapse of FTX on CZ.
It would probably be best for him not to testify at all as I don't see how he can improve his position considering everything that has happened (if anything I think he might make it even worse) It would be very interestingness to hear him though and I have no doubts that he will try to put the blame on CZ/Binance for FTX downfall.

You may well be correct Numenor... but what are your sources of information besides just suspecting that is how this valuation of reimbursements matter is going to be handled.
2070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2023, 03:21:16 PM
Just hope I'm not too late to the party! -Nice Pump Action Anthem in the tweet below!

https://twitter.com/0x_____________/status/1716553698061553969
Michael Saylor is looking like a true god at this point with the PAMP.
His company had broken even yesterday at just $33,500. Now it is going just bananas! Grin
I am pretty sure that Microstrategies have average costs per BTC below $30k, and you can see the latest up update of fillippone's google spread sheet
That is also linked in the OP of fillippone's microstrategies thread.
Oh, and Hi everybody!
Hi Arriemoller.
lets hope for sideways 33-34k for a while maybe til Nov 28th.
numbers are nice for the mine.
I am having trouble with the idea that BTC will jump up 20% and then just go sideways.. but sure, anything can happen, but seems like a lower end of probabilities kind of scenario.
My euphoric phase is growing again. It is wonderful to have stumbled upon Bitcoin so many years ago and read up on it, learning the hard way of buying high at $30 and maxing the credit card out to do it, spending ages cursing myself but hodling anyway. Today life is not bad my friends.
Wow... you bought at $30 right before it dropped to $2 and then took a while to get back above $30 again.. and so yeah, those were early days...
Yet nobody starting talking about them breaking even when the price was $31,000. Only when the price rose to $33,500 quite rapidly. I guess the mainstream cryptomedia was late to the party as they mostly are.

Your perceptions might be irreversably skewed if you believe that the quantity of people talking about them (or beginning to talk about them) is a basis of any kind of actual and/or meaningful facts. 

JJG WO bot has AI skills to rival even the best ChatGPT variant. Completely forgot about Fillippone's MicroStrategy's thread. Thanks for the linkage!

I think that there are some other actual factual sources besides Fillippone's when it comes to tracking some of the ideas regarding which companies are buying BTC and what are their various average BTC costs and how many BTC they hold, and surely there can be some variance between websites.. and maybe sometime they might not be updated with some of the latest purchases and/or sales.. .. and I am pretty sure that even in the very 1st few pages of that thread, there are links to several other sources of such treasuries information... not that we are talking about any treasuries besides MSTR at this point, since they do kind of overshadow so many others, they get quite a bit of attention and even a lot of haters (including misinformants - who don't mind playing loosely with facts, and hopefully you are not one of them because sometimes it quite a bit better to get some of your facts straight before you repeat inaccurate and even misleading information, merely based on other peeps saying it... and I am not even claiming that I always get things 100% correct).

Cathy Wood sold (even if it was GBTC shares) when it was $34,500 so everybody was seeing it as a smart move. But the push to $35k is looking more plausible now.

Also, Hi  Arriemoller! Cheesy

I doubt that it is a good idea to consider selling at this point to be a good move, and surely some funds like that might have different trade offs that they are making.. and many of us are not (and probably should not be) fucking around with selling large amounts of our BTC stash in order to attempt to potentially buy back lower, even though I have no problem with ideas of selling on the way up whether it is for consumption or diversification into some other assets or even taking some risk off of the table as long as you are neither expecting to be able to buy back lower and/or the amount that you are selling is not meaningfully causing you to be ill-prepared for various UP scenarios that may well end up playing out after your points of selling.



Interesting.

Does not necessarily mean that we are going to get any meaningful correction any time soon. 

Maybe we will?

Maybe we won't?


yeah thinking 120,000 by dec 31 is greedy.

I have a 33-36 slot til Thanksgiving in mind then 45-48k by dec31

but as JJG says I am too bearish.

It seems that now you are either moving the goal posts and/or are adding more facts.. but even besides that.. I did not even really say much of anything about whatever the fuck direction that you are talking about, but I was questioning when you seem to want to put king daddy in such a narrow box. and then that ends up becoming potentially less likely to play out, as I think that I already tried to suggest with my earlier post in which I mentioned that it does not seem that bitcoin goes up 20%.. in a day.. and then maybe we can look back at the month and see something close to 40%.. and then it goes up and then just gets stuck in the place that it went up to?

there are too many things going on in the world in order to make it not very great likelihood that bitcoin is going into a place of quasi-stability.. and I am not even directionally making any kind of claims, even though surely it seems that any claims should be slightly biased towards UPpity at this particular point, but there still could well be some pretty violent downity shake outs, merely because those are the kinds of dynamics that have historically played out in bitcoin, and why should we all of a sudden presume that bitcoin has gone into some kind of stable state (while in the middle of a war.. you want to presume stability.. seems like an outlier kind of a presumption.. but whatever keep on with your exacting predictions, historically, they have not really tended to play out so well for you, and I hope that you are not betting too much of your book too much on some of the preciseness of your expectations, which I do get the sense that you are playing around with those kinds of bets a wee bit too much too.. but whatever, I am not trying to take away from you being you... it is kind of interesting to see varying somewhat ornery perspectives even when they are tending to be wrong on several kinds of dynamics and even how to allocate value... and need i list those kinds of wrongnesses at this point?  I hope not.   Tongue Tongue
2071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 25, 2023, 02:43:05 PM
It is people that don't understand the potential of bitcoin that will think that inesting in bitcoin for a long term is a waste of time. I am having more confident on bitcoin now as I am seeing how the price of bitcoin is increasing within the twinkle of an eye and this makes me to be proud that I took a bold step to start my bitcoin investment when the price was 25k+.

I am coming up with a new strategy that I can use to accumulate bitcoin because my regular DCA method is still what I am using, but is like I might consider to stop and hodli, when the price surges higher than 35k with the 10% that I am using or maybe reduce it. This is my first experience in the market and I am learning a lot from it.

Bitcoin must outperform stock because of its volatine nature and the price of bitcoin will keep pumping till infinity, unlike stock.
I agree with you on this mate, people who sold their Bitcoin because there was a drop in Bitcoin price and they could not get rich within the time frame they gave themselves on Bitcoin will regret their actions now because Bitcoin has increased in price in the past few days. That is why it is always good to have a good understanding of Bitcoin so that you will know that Bitcoin is not a get-rich-quick scheme so that whenever you are ready to invest in Bitcoin you will know you are in for a long term hodl before the real profit will come. The knowledge you gain in Bitcoin will guide you to adopt a DCA strategy in accumulating your Bitcoin, and will also protect you from the volatility part of Bitcoin.

Sure there is a problem with people who sold on the way down, but that does not seem to be the crux of the main kinds of problems that are likely to afflict people who are fucking around with either selling too much bitcoin too soon as BTC prices are going up and even sometimes either failing to continue to DCA, stopping their DCA or cutting back on their DCA because they are trying to play UP and down waves that may well not end up taking place in such amounts that allow them to get a sufficient amount of advantage from those kinds of plays to make them worth their efforts when maybe they just need to continue accumulating BTC without trying to play the waves.
2072  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2023, 03:41:58 AM
Just hope I'm not too late to the party!

https://twitter.com/0x_____________/status/1716553698061553969
Michael Saylor is looking like a true god at this point with the PAMP.
His company had broken even yesterday at just $33,500. Now it is going just bananas! Grin

I am pretty sure that Microstrategies have average costs per BTC below $30k, and you can see the latest up update of fillippone's google spread sheet

That is also linked in the OP of fillippone's microstrategies thread.

Oh, and Hi everybody!

Hi Arriemoller.

lets hope for sideways 33-34k for a while maybe til Nov 28th.

numbers are nice for the mine.

I am having trouble with the idea that BTC will jump up 20% and then just go sideways.. but sure, anything can happen, but seems like a lower end of probabilities kind of scenario.

My euphoric phase is growing again. It is wonderful to have stumbled upon Bitcoin so many years ago and read up on it, learning the hard way of buying high at $30 and maxing the credit card out to do it, spending ages cursing myself but hodling anyway. Today life is not bad my friends.

Wow... you bought at $30 right before it dropped to $2 and then took a while to get back above $30 again.. and so yeah, those were early days...
2073  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 25, 2023, 01:49:51 AM
That is Bitcoin for you... always pulling surprises. The only people in panic mode are short term traders who would have sold since.
This is one of things I like about Bitcoin it can surprise you overnight just like what the price did this week, this is actually the reason why it is advised to keep accumulating for long time holding instead of chasing the Bitcoin price, so just like you said those short holders who buys and sell immediately after seeing a little move on Bitcoin price, I believe they will seriously be regretting why didn't hold.

So perhaps they have learned there lesson about Bitcoin price movement and is not actually late to change your strategy by holding instead of chasing the price.

We can witness many times in history that bitcoin ends up going into a kind of punishment mode, so those folks trying to trade it or even wait for the dip are continuously waiting, and maybe even those persons who are shorting are continuously getting reckt because they keep betting on BTC to go down and then it continues to go up.. and sure, we don't have any guarantees that bitcoin will continue to go up from here, but it is not unheard of that bitcoin does end up going into punishment mode.

I cannot exactly tell you at what point that you feel that you need to get with your bitcoin holdings (and surely what else that you have) to suggest that cutting back might be a good idea. and surely we always should have some money (dry powder) available for buying on dips.. so will the BTC price dip or not. and is it worth it to make those kinds of adjustments at this stage.. BTC accumulators are going to decide differently in their attempts to balance these kinds of matters.. and some will end up being more correct than others, but are the correct for a reason or did they just get lucky?  
I agree with you on this so because having such laying around money to buy Bitcoin with will give us the best chances to take advantage of Bitcoin's short-term price movements in uptrend directions just like in the current Bitcoin market movement behaviour, taking chances to grab some few Bitcoin when the market present us with the discount price is one of the best DCA mechanisms that helped many Bitcoin investors to be able to lay they hands on some Bitcoin within a short period if they do follow the right principles by setting aside a steady cash flow that put them in the position to always take advantage of the Bitcoin market at all time.

The current bitcoin price outcome is not something that is not familiar to us,  and in fact, most of the bitcoin investors who have spent at least a year in the market would already have experienced this and learned how to approach the current bitcoin market value to take the right advantages using their previous plans and engagements.

Ultimately the thrust of Ruttoshi's question (or the point that he is making) does seem difficult to answer because he points out that he has a kind of plan to cut back on some of his DCA amount based on the BTC price going up so much in such a short period of time (which may or may not end up being a great idea because we cannot necessarily have high levels of confidence that the BTC price is going to correct back down from here).  And sometimes if someone fairly new to bitcoin is getting into bitcoin, they might well just be better off to just continue buying and trying NOT to predict whether the price is going to go up or down..
 and they may well just be better off continuing to buy more BTC, even if they have to pay more for it now as compared to the last 18 months of relatively discounted prices.  

Maybe the correct answer has to do when they started buying BTC and how much they had been buying... if someone comes into bitcoin and had been buying quite aggressively over the last 18 months maybe they could rest on their laurels (how much they bought already), but Ruttoshi seemed to have been saying that he just started buying at $25k, which might even assume that he has not really been buying for much longer than 6 months.. so yeah, it seems to be unclear if he would have had even been able to accumulate even close to enough BTC in such a short period of time through simple DCA based on cashflow, but if he had some circumstances in which he had reallocated some funds from some other decently sized investment portfolio, then maybe he would be in a better position to cut back some of his DCA amounts.. and yet ultimately there is no real easy answer without really knowing more of the underlying individual factors.

That is Bitcoin for you... always pulling surprises. The only people in panic mode are short term traders who would have sold since.
This is one of things I like about Bitcoin it can surprise you overnight just like what the price did this week, this is actually the reason why it is advised to keep accumulating for long time holding instead of chasing the Bitcoin price, so just like you said those short holders who buys and sell immediately after seeing a little move on Bitcoin price, I believe they will seriously be regretting why didn't hold.

So perhaps they have learned there lesson about Bitcoin price movement and is not actually late to change your strategy by holding instead of chasing the price.
The rise is always a pretty sight if you have Bitcoin in your portfolio but if you don't have BTC in your portfolio then the rise that occurs will not mean anything to you. Previously we have seen the price of BTC drop quite significantly where the price of btc touched $15k. And what you saw today where bitcoin crossed $30k and reached $35k today.

So in this thread we just buy and hold which is what we have been doing from before. DCA was our choice and we also thank JJG because he is always our mentor in this forum where he always provides sensible advice in discussions in this thread. We will continue to hold and buy with the DCA strategy.
But I was sure that nobody buys crypto without having Bitcoin first

That is a pretty BIG assumption.   There are all kinds of ways that individuals pass through their journey to get to bitcoin, and a decent number of them either have not arrived or do not arrive because they end up getting too distracted and/or sucked into shitcoins.  

because if that is so, then I would say it is a big mistake. While seeing the current situation of Bitcoin, we can also think that bull season is coming soon and before it comes, we must be sure that we are already filling our bags with Bitcoin and some potential altcoins.
 

I doubt that it is necessary to buy shitcoins.. and probably not a good idea.. and even if it might be an o.k. idea, we are in a bitcoin thread, so we are generally not talking about shitcoins, except maybe to bash them, here and there along the way.

Those people knowns how to hold and wait for the bull season got their rewards which is why we should practice doing this otherwise, regrets it.

As long as we are talking about bitcoin rather than shitcoins, I agree with you.
2074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 24, 2023, 04:05:43 PM

Earlier today, I just saw this question, and I was like, is this fellow not seeing changes in BTC movement?
With my believe, even before the end of this year Bitcoin can reach a price of $50k to $60k and the bumming shows that Bitcoin is heading towards that state of 50 to 60. However, it have been a while Bitcoin bumped this fast.

When we are talking about what bitcoin "could do"  I think that 3.5x to 8x in a few months is not really too far out of the question, even though such a happening might well be in the below 15% probabilities.. more than 8x in 3 months would be a pretty crazy kind of thing, but also not impossible in the way that bitcoin is actually structured (you have heard of limited supply, I suppose?).. maybe the more than 8x in the next 3 months would be in the less than 2% arena... but that sounds very scary... and maybe in Armageddon times for such a thing to play out.. but still not impossible and so seems to fit within the "could do" category..

[edited out]
Hopefully, you don't run out of cornz.
I have a feeling Bob is not going to run out of corn.

Perhaps.. and at the same time we remain in a public thread in which it seems that Bob has a lot of tendencies to be describing how he is selling quite frequently.. and even at weird times.. which surely is not that BIG of a deal for someone who is either in maintenance stages and/or even in liquidation stages.. ..

but an overwhelming majority of the world's population is not in such a place... and probably should be buying at times like these, especially if they missed the last 18 months or so, in which they could have accumulated quite a bit of corn for seemingly (relative) discount prices.. and so if some of those folks had not bought in the past 18 months, then these still seem to be buying times.. even though we are at 18 month highs right now and we might have some corrections along the way... .. but we are still within 10-20% of the 200-week moving average which historically is not really booming times in bitcoin landia.. and does not even seem to be great times for selling large amounts of BTC for long time HODLers.

Although, my own system has ended with quite a few BTC sales in the past month or so between about $27k and $35k, but still I consider my sells as kind of systematic and maintenance sales, so I don't really do large lump sum sales. . and so far I have not really done too much of that in my BTC career.. and I actually consider myself to have a pretty decently large sized cushion in which I could make those kinds of large sales if I wanted to.. but still have not figured out.. and sure I am not at the stage of wanting a ranch or a lake.. but cannot really diss on anyone in terms of getting into those kinds of properties...

And, yeah, so maybe Bob has plenty and he won't run out.. .. and each of us like have to figure out those kinds of balances, and I am personally having some dilemmas in regards to some systems that I am wanting to put in place.. maybe they could be described as legacy kinds of systems, but still can we really trust anyone else to spend our coins rather than just spending them ourselves, not spending too many so that we don't run out, but not spending too little so that we have more than we wished to have left in our holdings on the day that we pass... whiich might not be exactly known in advance.
2075  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 24, 2023, 02:53:16 PM
Gentlemen.... It is time....

Thank you!  I was just bursting to say something... of course, there's nothing left say about this fine little pump.  When 10k green dildo?

I was thinking something differently. in regards to how we might describe this.. of course, we can look at the daily, or the three day or even the weekly, but sometimes the time frames overlap..  Sometimes it might be nice to make custom candles that begin and end at certain periods.. and sure if I knew fuck all about coding, it probably would not be too difficult to code up.

Many are calling this a $5k candle.. which surely is fair enough and surely seem to bring the $10k candles in striking distance, and I recall several times considering that even $20k candles were beginning to become possible when we were in our ATH arenas at various points in 2021.


It is like fair enough, and breaks of the price points happened so quickly that vroom had to cover 4-5 of them at one time, and trying to act as if he is not a bot, he delayed a bit.. it's the appearance of "human touch."

This is gentleman.

Gosh.

It sure seems like it.

We are so back

It does feel good.. .. but it is still seeming that getting into noman's land, which I would consider to be right around $50k-ish to $85k-ish .. would really be a kind of further confirmation.. but yeah, gotta take small steps prior to getting back into the zone in which $30k to $35k further UPpity in the price is kind of "a given".. and yeah.. I said that last time.. too.. but whatever.  I am going to repeat my lil selfie... which I believe to be ongoingly directionally correct, just like stock to flow (and just like you LFC), even sometimes "we" might end up being a wee bit not correct on some of the specifics.

We are so back
Hmm, with all due patience.

When 30K? Answered well by buddy, What's next I'm sure its not 70k

Lookie uie poo-ie...

Aren't you the party poop of all party poops?

You can come up with something a bit more nuanced than $30k on the one side and $70k on the other side?

We have a lot more going on than that.



no?
2076  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 24, 2023, 01:45:36 PM
Strange feeling, was in a three day break for checking things constantly and decided to sneak a peak a little bit earlier  Cheesy

So excited to see what happens now, back of my mind should have stacked more but then again there is always tomorrow(30’s are the new 20’s)  Cool

That's the thing, right?

So many of us get the feelings that maybe I should have had stacked harder, even if maybe we had been stacking pretty hard, but hen when the price goes shooting up, we can see why we had been stacking, so then we might end up going into retrospectively judging ourselves and considering that maybe we could have stacked a bit better... more harder.

Personally, I think that those feelings are much more intense in the earliest years of stacking.. and the more that you reach a kind of BTC portfolio maintenance stage, then you likely are going to start to feel more comfortable in whatever balances that you end up making...

I hate to go back in history, and sometimes we need to use examples from right now rather than historically what could have had happened, but one of the potential errors would be to have an income coming in.. let's say that it is around $200 per week extra that is available for stacking bitcoin, but the choice is made to only stack half with DCA and then other half holding for the dips, so if week after week comes, then if the dip is not BIG enough then maybe no purchases are made.. but then another possibility could be that NO DCA was taking place and too much of those extra funds were being held in order to buy on the dip, so a dip came and some of the funds were used, but there were still some funds available to buy for more dip, but more dip did not end up coming.

Gentlemen.... It is time....

Yes finally it's the time.
Bye Bye 30k
40k you are next !!!

I am not sure if I can be that confident.  I am not even sure if I would say bye bye to the $20ks, but it is starting to seem like sub $20k is becoming more and more out of the question.

I'm glad BobLawblaw did not succeed with his request to disable this thread


A bunch of whiners carrying around fantasy pipes - imagining as if if they were to be on the right side of history.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
2077  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 24, 2023, 01:11:29 PM
Whether we suggest that the rich people (institutions) are buying all of the bitcoin or if we might have some other reason(s) about why the BTC price is going up, historically, there have been several instances in which the BTC price moved upwardly out of an historical range that it had been, but then thereafter, never did return to that previous price range, and people who had been delaying in their buying of BTC, or waiting for lower BTC prices prior to buying, ended up looking foolish in retrospect.  So yeah, we have had right around 18 months to be buying BTC below $35k... so how much longer is it going to last?  We cannot be sure.  Are there going to be further dips below $30k?  We cannot be sure.
What a substantial move we have witnessed in Bitcoin price which was worth $5000 in a single trading session Cool. Nobody was expecting such an impressive increase while stocks are falling. Bitcoin has shown its real color after a long time of uncertainty, and I was glad to see that Bitcoin is finally showing its independence from stock markets, and Bitcoin's prior correlation with other risky markets seems unrealistic, as it is hedge against inflation and dependable store of value.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-btc-price-breaks-34000-etf-excitement-grows

Bitcoin has never been correlated with stocks or any other assets, so the extent to which you and/or anyone else believed that bullshit is upon you, and this latest move did not prove anything that was not already (or should have been) more than apparent and clear if you look back at bitcoin's price history.  

So, yeah, a  lot of people like to talk about dumb shit in regards to bitcoin's correlation and/or bitcoin is (was) not performing well enough and a bunch of baloney and sure sometimes they can take clips of time and show proof of their arguments - but the mere fact that they are able to show proof that is convincing still does not mean you should believe it, especially if you have your own eyes, you should be able to spend about 5-10 minutes looking at charts to see that there may well be short term correlation at various periods, but surely hard to argue if looking at the longer period, and yeah, maybe it could take longer than 5-10 minutes to actually better understand some of the underlying reasons why bitcoin is different and what pushes its price such  as 1) the stock to flow model, 2) the 4-year fractal and 3) exponential s-curve adoption based on metcalfe principles and network effects (in the school of thought of [ur=https://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-seven-network-effects-of-bitcoin/]trace mayer's seven network effects[/url])

Our most recent price move of around $5k in a day, or even $10k in a month or so, does seem to show what many of us already suspected, even though we can never really know when or how much the UPpity bursts are going to play out.

Congratulations to those who are still consistent with DCA and see how exciting it will be when our portfolio increases. So when we are consistent we will see temporary results, and honestly this is a matter of pride for ourselves because what we maintain and fight for produces positive results. I believe this price will continue, Blackrock ETF is getting closer. The position where we should be but still realistic.

The question for those who do DCA consistently is whether the current price requires us to wait for a slight correction? Or still buy it at the current highest price? I just want to know how to choose and make the right timing decisions when faced with the Bitcoin bullish phenomenon.
Your suggestions are very valuable because telling each situation will have a positive effect and make me not alone in holding Bitcoin. (where I live, I'm the only one holding Bitcoin).

For sure no one can really tell you the extent to which you should temper your BTC buying in terms of always striving to prepare yourself for BTC price moves of either direction, and you should have some clues regarding how close you might be to your own personal fuck you status and/or how many BTC you have accumulated up until this point in light of your other personal circumstances.  Looking at the BTC price movements remains ONLY one relatively small part of the whole formula regarding what to do, even though so many folks seem to like to place a lot of emphasis on BTC price movements.

So you have to assess where are you at exactly:

BTC Accumulation stage

early, mid  or late


BTC portfolio Maintenance stage

early, mid  or late


BTC liquidation stage

shaving off some here and there, or wanting to get rid of most of it or all of it

Many members here are likely in one of the stages of BTC accumulation.. but surely some of us have progressed into maintenance stage, so surely we are much better off when we are in maintenance stage.. and each of us has to figure out when we get to each of these stages, which will also assist us in terms of figuring out how we might want to manage our bitcoin strategy according to where we are at.

The earliest stages of BTC accumulation likely need to mostly focus on DCA and just buy no matter what.. which might include lump sum buying and even front loading the investment a bit in order to get some skin in the tame, but after you start to develop somewhat of a BTC stash, you can start to attempt to be a bit more selective in your strategy and maybe lower the DCA amount and start to hold some fiat in reserves for buying on dips.

When we get these kinds of big price moves, many of us should likely realize that we are advantaged by having already gotten in, and being in BTC we are kind of resting on our past accumulation and our past aggressiveness in having had accumulated.. so whether you start to hone back on some of your DCA buys is not necessarily easy to answer.. because sometimes momentum like this just keeps going up, so we cannot be sure when it will stop going up and/or how much the correction will be once it stops going up. and so it becomes possible that the BTC price will not correct back down below current prices.. Surely I am not going to claim to know things like that, and some people are more than willing to tell you what they think BTC prices are going to do, yet our own critical thinking skills should help to inform us that there are likely decent odds that they might not be correct in whatever they are saying are the various scenario and sometimes the extent which they put a lot of certainty upon their scenario might cause you to question how they can know with such supposed certainty... is it squiggly lines or what?  

Surely it is true when the price goes up quickly it cannot really sustain itself, but still that does not necessarily mean that it won't continue to go up even further, at least for a while.. remember in April to June 2019, BTC prices went up 3.5x in 3 months, but then ended up correcting back most of that over a month or so. and then resumed up and had a few bounces, before we got to our abnormal March 2020 crash which also just ended up being a kind of fluke.. but we could not really completely know at the time of the March 2020 fluke that it was actually a bit of a fluke.

Whether we suggest that the rich people (institutions) are buying all of the bitcoin or if we might have some other reason(s) about why the BTC price is going up, historically, there have been several instances in which the BTC price moved upwardly out of an historical range that it had been, but then thereafter, never did return to that previous price range, and people who had been delaying in their buying of BTC, or waiting for lower BTC prices prior to buying, ended up looking foolish in retrospect.  So yeah, we have had right around 18 months to be buying BTC below $35k... so how much longer is it going to last?  We cannot be sure.  Are there going to be further dips below $30k?  We cannot be sure.
What a substantial move we have witnessed in Bitcoin price which was worth $5000 in a single trading session Cool. Nobody was expecting such an impressive increase while stocks are falling. Bitcoin has shown its real color after a long time of uncertainty, and I was glad to see that Bitcoin is finally showing its independence from stock markets, and Bitcoin's prior correlation with other risky markets seems unrealistic, as it is hedge against inflation and dependable store of value.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-btc-price-breaks-34000-etf-excitement-grows
It is people that don't understand the potential of bitcoin that will think that inesting in bitcoin for a long term is a waste of time. I am having more confident on bitcoin now as I am seeing how the price of bitcoin is increasing within the twinkle of an eye and this makes me to be proud that I took a bold step to start my bitcoin investment when the price was 25k+.

I am coming up with a new strategy that I can use to accumulate bitcoin because my regular DCA method is still what I am using, but is like I might consider to stop and hodli, when the price surges higher than 35k with the 10% that I am using or maybe reduce it. This is my first experience in the market and I am learning a lot from it.

Bitcoin must outperform stock because of its volatine nature and the price of bitcoin will keep pumping till infinity, unlike stock.

Of course, you have to decide for yourself what you are going to do, including if you think that there might be some value to lessen your DCA or to just keep your DCA in place.. and so maybe part of the question might be how far along are you in your investment journey. .. remember it frequently will take people close to 10 years to build up to 1 years of their income, that is presuming that they are putting away 10% of their investment income, and generally, you likely need in the range of 20-30 years worth of income to reach entry-level fuck you status.. that is a stage in which you don't have to worry about working anymore and that you can have some assurance that your investments can sustain you.

I cannot exactly tell you at what point that you feel that you need to get with your bitcoin holdings (and surely what else that you have) to suggest that cutting back might be a good idea. and surely we always should have some money (dry powder) available for buying on dips.. so will the BTC price dip or not. and is it worth it to make those kinds of adjustments at this stage.. BTC accumulators are going to decide differently in their attempts to balance these kinds of matters.. and some will end up being more correct than others, but are the correct for a reason or did they just get lucky?  
2078  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 24, 2023, 04:36:56 AM

https://twitter.com/WatcherGuru/status/1716590419432104094/
Lovely day I dont watch the news and had the confidence to short the btc in my forex account. and this morning I woke up and watched the bitcoin break 30K level and all my accounts got rekt. Another day another dollar loss.

Sorry guys I don't know where to talk to  Cry

Oh gawd.. that is retarded (referring to shorting bitcoin within less than 10% of the 200-week moving average and getting reckt).

First off.. fuck coinbase.. …
Ah yes …”C******e”. That is the other naughty, triggering c-word…
 on this here famous thread.

What a coincidence.

They both start with "C".

Just woke up...to witness that $5000 Bitcoin pump overnight..lol. Tongue

Edit: BlackRock's spot ETF is now listed on Nasdaq trade clearing firm.


Weren't you the one ominously predicting the exact opposite?

NGL, loading up for a little bit of profit taking.

Building out a ranch from nothing is fucking expensive, yo  Undecided

You frequently tend to sell too much too soon, but hey whatever.. no problem.. if you have extra BTC might as well sell some of them.  You can't take it with you.  Right?

Hopefully, you don't run out of cornz.
2079  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [Updated] FTX on: October 24, 2023, 04:24:46 AM
@Rikafip. If CZ did not trigger the collapse of FTX and only waited for the market to become more bullish, I reckon FTX would be out of insolvency now after this present pump on bitcoin and altcoins hehehehe.


It's hard to know isn't it.  They were such degenerate gamblers that it seems sooner or later their goose was going to get cooked.

And surely CZ did not trigger their collapse in as much of a way as that overly-simplified narrative is frequently spun with way more emphasis than it deserves.  But, hey whatever, believe what you like.
2080  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 24, 2023, 04:16:17 AM
But I am a little calmer because I buy more BTC at a price of less than $ 27K, DCA that I do I do almost every week so I think I feel better today because BTC moves fast up to $ 31k, to wait for the best price to continue My DCA, waiting for BTC to be corrected first, if I fear today to buy at the current price it is less beautiful.

Understand DCA correctly, and use the strategy well so that your portfoliomy can smile broadly when Bitcoin has increased significantly, I would have most people smiled broadly because of their portfolio, it should be remembered that the longer you hold BTC, the more likely you get The advantage of the investment you make from BTC, don't be easily tempted by this simple increase then you sell your BTC, I think it's a stupid decision, there are still many surprising with BTC. Hold Your BTC Sir.
when the bitcoin market is sideway or the bitcoin market is bullish then buying bitcoin using the DCA method is the most recommended thing, apart from that i also tried several other strategies such as buying more portions of bitcoin (in fine words if the market is bullish i buy 1 but if the market bearish i buy 2) when the market was heading towards bear.  However, it must still be emphasized, in order to prevent you from selling Bitcoin which you intend for long-term investment, you must have a stable income that supports your finances every month... surely we will all smile with our portfolio if we remain disciplined in implementing effective strategies in investing bitcoin.
Using the DCA method when the market is bullish is certainly a good thing and also buying more when the market is bearish, but in investing in Bitcoin we need a long time to get a profit from the investment we make and we have to be patient with various market conditions. You are right, we must have a steady income so as not to interfere with the investments we make and we also really need a strategy to be able to collect and get profits from the investments we make.

I know that people have their differing strategies, yet the general ideas of trying to time the market would be to buy when the price is going down and to sell when it is going up.. .so usually you would not be buying when it is going up unless you were trying to make a lump sum buy in order to front load your buy prior to the price going up (if that's what you think the market is going to do)..

So in that regard, it does not make too much sense to DCA when the market is bullish.. except if you are just assuming that the market is going to keep going up because it is bullish, but that is not necessarily going to always be the case, and surely there are a lof of difficulties to figure out if the market is bullish or bearish.. which is part of the rationale of DCA that does not get too involved in trying to figure out if the market is bearish or bullish but only ends up focusing on whether you have discretionary income or not and then just deciding to buy based on how much of your discretionary income you want to use to buy BTC versus using it for some other purpose, such as consumption, or investing in something else versus saving it for some future purchase.

It can only be Bitcoin and nothing else, Bitcoin will always remain my first choice of investment because this is the kind of price movement you will see from a potential coin.

This Bitcoin current price chart explains why we shouldn't focus on knowing if the price will dip first before we start accumulating because there is every possibility of the price not getting to the level you targeted so however even with the current price is not too late to start accumulating so keep hitting the buy button while you can.

Source:  https://m.investing.com/crypto/bitcoin/chart

Bitcoin is the only currency where you are 100% guaranteed to make a profit whether you invest or hold it. Bitcoin was at $27000 last week as well but in just a few days Bitcoin has surged above $35000. The only ones in this market who bought and held during the dumping period got huge profits in this pumping situation. So if you want to get good profit in future you must buy in DIP market and HOLD for long term and sell when pumping time comes.

In markets and in investing, there are no guarantee to make a profit... and surely not even close to 100% guaranteed, even when it comes to an investment as great as bitcoin.  

It seems quite likely that you are quite likely to get yourself and/or someone else into trouble if you think and talk as if there are 100% guarantees in life (especially when dealing with the future).. but hey, whatever, you do you.
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