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2061  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 06:26:20 PM


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Then they fight you
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2062  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 06:22:31 PM
Found this on twitter



Several years ago, I spent one full Bitcoin to buy an assorted handful of Zimbabwean bank notes. Notional value negligible. Lulz value in excess of the twenny bux or so that BTC was worth at the time.

True story.

Do I regret it? Hellz naaaw. Makes for instructive contrast.
2063  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 06:18:26 PM
OT: @mic, with sincere apologies, and in the spirit of genuine, friendly, playful humor, I saw this on Twitter, and absolutely LOL'd.



The stuff of nightmares.

OTOH, may lead to the return of nibbling upon loved one's fingers.
2064  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 06:09:48 PM


They keep taking about the ripple's tech. Can I ask what tech is it other than being a centralized database?

Well, it's a centralized blockchain. Which suffers the counterparty risk of a centralized database, but has some of the positive aspects -- such as universal auditability -- of a blockchain.

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Am I missing something? How is it going to make a difference over SWIfT?

SWIFT is slow, cumbersome, rent-seeking, not universally-auditable, and carries the counterparty risk of its centralization. Reimplementing SWIFT with XRP at its core would eliminate or vastly reduce several of these issues. So yes, you are missing something. The perspective of those entities for which SWIFT provides value - namely, financial institutions.

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I mean the shit we get by using SWIFT has nothing to do with its tech at all. We stay away from it because it is centralized.

Sure, we do. But financial institutions? Not so much. So SWIFT isn't for you. Why would you expect it to cater to your desires, when it was built for large financial entities?

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So why the fuck they act like ripple is solving a problem?

It is. See above.

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Bitcoin solved it already by kicking the centralized shitheads out.

Until Bitcoin grows by a couple orders of magnitude, it is not a solution for the entities that actually use SWIFT.

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Am I wrong?

Not wrong exactly. Just looking at the issue from an irrelevant viewpoint.

I mean, I have no need for an airlock. But to claim that 'we've already solved this problem - it's a hinged entry door' does little to solve the astronauts' problem of retaining breathable air within a spacefaring vessel.
2065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 05:31:27 PM
which bitcoin credit card do you guys use, can you recommend one?

I have a Shift card. It's not a credit card though - it's a Visa-branded debit card. I don't really use it though. Here in USA, we need to track all use of crypto to buy things as a taxable capital gains event. Which makes using the card a headache.

Hmm... just pulled the Shift card out of the desk drawer. Looks like I don't have a Shift account any longer. Expired 1/19. They didn't contact me to re-up. Maybe because my relative non-use is nothing but a headache for them?
2066  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 05:24:28 PM
This should make you happy: (stored on-chain)

https://www.pagereturn.com/715c3c69141d2a810c9b197113630bc4e6ce75a0b4a7047cce4cf1ec32f0f4d0

Awesome explanation I must say! Wink

Let's try this!

Might be difficult with tiny blocks. You may need a more capacious chain.
2067  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Another one ?

Crypto Exchange QaudrigaCX Goes Offline, Claims Maintenance Issues

https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-exchange-qaudrigacx-goes-offline-claims-maintenance-issues

"Canadian cryptocurrency exchange QuadrigaCX is down for maintenance, according to an announcement on its webpage on Jan. 28. The exchange, which has been wrapped up in legal troubles with the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), is inaccessible as of press time.
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The exchanges users, some of whom have purportedly been unable to access or withdraw their funds for months, took to Reddit and Twitter. One user asked, “Shouldn't you let your customer know before taking it down?” Some users on a Reddit post speculated as to whether the exchange had gone insolvent. One commenter stated, “They will declare insolvency due to an inability to find a suitable bank to host an account and facilitate transfers.”

 Thank you JBreher for giving me the heads up about Jan 3rd proof of keys!  I am still proving and very grateful for the heads up.  I might otherwise have been crying about this news.

You're welcome, xhomerx10. Trace Mayer probably deserves a nod, as I think the entire idea of commemorating the anniversary with this communal Proof Of Keys event was his. I merely reminded the WO community. Of course, fundamentally, the real lesson here is 'Not your keys - Not your Bitcoin'.
Who keeps any suitable amount on these little piss ant exchanges though?

Well, I'd been buying all the way down from $20K. I was surprised to really cogitate upon how much had merely accumulated on exchange due to this activity. I've since put some back in order to re-establish my sell ladder, but not nearly so much as I drew down EOY.
2068  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 05:15:38 PM

Tru dat. But the imprimatur of Deloitte gives the pinstriped bandits 'career cover' in any recommendation of Gemini, and therefore Bitcoin at Gemini, and therefore -- to some extent -- Bitcoin.
2069  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 05:13:30 PM
even with all the relative information pain about how "rich I used to be,"

Well, yeah. We didn't perfectly time the exit*. I continue to maintain that the tops and the bottoms are largely uncallable. Which is why we hodl.

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I still can recognize and appreciate that my BTC holdings are still in a very positive territory - even looking back 2 years ago. 

^^^ This is the critical bit. Having been trough several blow-off tops, each subsequent one an order of magnitude greater than the last. Which -- again -- is why we continue to hodl.

pit pat piffy wing wong wang.
2070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2019, 10:21:34 PM
Another one ?

Crypto Exchange QaudrigaCX Goes Offline, Claims Maintenance Issues

https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-exchange-qaudrigacx-goes-offline-claims-maintenance-issues

"Canadian cryptocurrency exchange QuadrigaCX is down for maintenance, according to an announcement on its webpage on Jan. 28. The exchange, which has been wrapped up in legal troubles with the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), is inaccessible as of press time.
...
The exchanges users, some of whom have purportedly been unable to access or withdraw their funds for months, took to Reddit and Twitter. One user asked, “Shouldn't you let your customer know before taking it down?” Some users on a Reddit post speculated as to whether the exchange had gone insolvent. One commenter stated, “They will declare insolvency due to an inability to find a suitable bank to host an account and facilitate transfers.”

 Thank you JBreher for giving me the heads up about Jan 3rd proof of keys!  I am still proving and very grateful for the heads up.  I might otherwise have been crying about this news.

You're welcome, xhomerx10. Trace Mayer probably deserves a nod, as I think the entire idea of commemorating the anniversary with this communal Proof Of Keys event was his. I merely reminded the WO community. Of course, fundamentally, the real lesson here is 'Not your keys - Not your Bitcoin'.
2071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
I really admire the stoic nature of you hodlers.  Hardened veterans all.  

Well, several of us have been here before. Several times. We know how this story ends. Or rather, continues. A bit of pain -- unpredictable in extent and duration -- followed by greater glory. Much greater glory.
2072  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2019, 04:11:21 AM
Some Colorado shops have been accepting Bitcoin since years. Or so I am told.

They'd be foolish if they didn't IMO.
I've heard they have to deal in cash because federal law prohibiting cannabis makes banks leary of letting them open business accounts.
Bitcoin is the perfect solution to that shit show.

Yes. Due to things such as Obama's Operation Chokepoint (the principles of which I am fairly sure have continued into the current administration), there are zero banks that will deal with marijuana retailers.
2073  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
Who else is high?


Maybe the first "Legal" one. Smiley

At that store maybe. Some Colorado shops have been accepting Bitcoin since years. Or so I am told.
2074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 08:49:00 PM
anybody else get a totally whack 1099-K from Coinbase?

these numbers are absurd

1099-K is not a form that most individuals have ever seen. It is for reporting non-cash money flows - typically used to track credit card receipts for retailers and such. Why Coinbase thinks this is an appropriate filing for individuals is a mystery.

I've not yet looked at mine this year. Last year's was yuuuge. But it did not tabulate any sort of profit, but rather sheer volume of transactions. I filed based on my own tabulation of capital gains, which was a scant fraction of the flows shown on the 1099-K. I have not (as of yet, anyway) been audited for 2017.

So the figures you are seeing on your 1099-K are likely not absurd. Probably correct, just irrelevant.

https://i.imgflip.com/2s85ev.jpg YouCantGet1099dIfYouDontUseCoinbase.jpg

Well, other than the fact that that is not true, I don't understand the relevance. Your tax liability is your tax liability. The issuance of a 1099 does nothing to alter this fact.

There are exchanges that don't send 1099s. And 1099s don't alter your tax liability, but they alter the tax liability that the IRS knows about.

If you think the IRS does not know about your tax liability -- or perhaps more properly will never know about your tax liability -- regardless of whether or not you've been 1099'd, you may be deluding yourself.

And again, the 1099-Ks that Coinbase sends are not an indication of any tax liability. In the USA, tax is owed on profit, not flow.
2075  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 08:32:37 PM
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And of course if LN works and transaction costs go really down.
...

I doubt that most centralized hubs will process transactions out of
benevolence - they will take a cut from every transaction. Even if the
Lightning Network works in practice (which is doubtful) and even
if somehow it manages to gain traction in the African countries you still
have the problem of funding LN channels in the first place.

It would not be of much use to people in poorer countries when LN
transactions are dirt cheap (which they probably will not be when
the liquid LN hubs will be run by banks and exchanges), but to get started
you would need to pay a 20 $ fee for the funding transaction on the BTC
main layer.

Yeah. It's almost is if they might benefit from a Bitcoin that has tx capacity well above demand for such, with the resultant inconsequential tx fees, enabling them to transact directly on chain. I wonder if such a Bitcoin exists...
2076  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
anybody else get a totally whack 1099-K from Coinbase?

these numbers are absurd

1099-K is not a form that most individuals have ever seen. It is for reporting non-cash money flows - typically used to track credit card receipts for retailers and such. Why Coinbase thinks this is an appropriate filing for individuals is a mystery.

I've not yet looked at mine this year. Last year's was yuuuge. But it did not tabulate any sort of profit, but rather sheer volume of transactions. I filed based on my own tabulation of capital gains, which was a scant fraction of the flows shown on the 1099-K. I have not (as of yet, anyway) been audited for 2017.

So the figures you are seeing on your 1099-K are likely not absurd. Probably correct, just irrelevant.

https://i.imgflip.com/2s85ev.jpg YouCantGet1099dIfYouDontUseCoinbase.jpg

Well, other than the fact that that is not true, I don't understand the relevance. Your tax liability is your tax liability. The issuance of a 1099 does nothing to alter this fact.
2077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: January 28, 2019, 08:05:30 PM
One of good news recent days is Bitcoin Cash and DASH might make a partnership in the future (as Roger Ver disclosed).
The news mentioned in the ANN topic of DASH project.
#dash_force

Bitcoin Cash [BCH] and Dash can work towards bringing economic freedom to the world, says Roger Ver

https://ambcrypto.com/bitcoin-cash-bch-and-dash-can-work-towards-bringing-economic-freedom-to-the-world-says-roger-ver/

Cruddy article provides no link to source. Seems merely Dash hopium shill injection.
2078  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: January 28, 2019, 08:02:05 PM

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

... ant Ctor, and DSV, 

tru dat

You guys are missing the point. The general public, which your fork of a fork is trying to appeal to, don't care about what was in the original white paper.

I understand the points you are making, I just find them underwhelming. I do not disagree with your immediately preceding statement. However _I_ care about what was in the original white paper.

Can you describe to me why is it that you believe the cruft that the current Core handlers have added is objectively better than the original protocol that they cast overboard?

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It's a talking point aimed at crypto enthusiasts who might be on the fence,

No, it is far more than a talking point. It is a concrete technical difference between BTC and BSV. BTC has abandoned the original design, well before it revealed any flaws (i.e., none known to this day).

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and are easily manipulated.

Sez you. I might throw your comment back at your camp.

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The average world citizen doesn't care about your interpretation of the white paper, they just want a product that works and is usable.

The average world citizen should not need to care about the white paper. Just as they don't care about the technical details of how the credit card systems work. But such systems need be technically sound.

I agree that they just want a product that works and is usable.

And when the next step function wave of adoption occurs, BTC will once again experience an interminable backlog of tx volume, with soaring tx fees. At which point it will 'work' only in the vaguest sense, and will be all-but-unusable. At which point, the wisdom of having stayed with the original protocol design will be revealed.

2079  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: January 28, 2019, 08:34:27 AM
the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

If for no other reason, because the experiment as satoshi originally envisioned it is worth carrying to logical conclusion.

Look at it from this angle for a moment: Satoshi's original invention, aligning the best interests of the individual with the best interests of the system as a whole, unleashed this entire ecosystem. In the design of Bitcoin, he/she/they accomplished what all of humanity had previously been unable to do.

I really don't have a strong aversion to carrying out multiple parallel experiments (that may be an egregious simplification, but the difference is nuanced and inappropriate for the scope of this reply). But should we not carry out the experiment as set forth in the design that led to this entire 'Cambrian Explosion' (there's an overused term) of innovation?

From my perspective, abandoning the experiment as envisioned by its progenitor is pure folly.

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

... ant Ctor, and DSV, 

tru dat
2080  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 08:14:29 AM
anybody else get a totally whack 1099-K from Coinbase?

these numbers are absurd

1099-K is not a form that most individuals have ever seen. It is for reporting non-cash money flows - typically used to track credit card receipts for retailers and such. Why Coinbase thinks this is an appropriate filing for individuals is a mystery.

I've not yet looked at mine this year. Last year's was yuuuge. But it did not tabulate any sort of profit, but rather sheer volume of transactions. I filed based on my own tabulation of capital gains, which was a scant fraction of the flows shown on the 1099-K. I have not (as of yet, anyway) been audited for 2017.

So the figures you are seeing on your 1099-K are likely not absurd. Probably correct, just irrelevant.
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